which characters you hate? (no flaming or bashing allowed)

[RumplesGirl]

@Kellen wrote:

I’d have to say Lacey. She just seems a pointless plot twist. I’m all for conflict, but if we need another female villain, let’s at least have one of the quality of Regina.

I thought Lacey was interesting for an episode but now seeing what her influence and her desires are doing to Rumple, it’s really hard for me to watch or like her. I would have preferred that the Lacey story wrapped up in one episode (though I know that’s not ideal for conflict). Maybe if they hadn’t kept Belle in bed for so long and then given her the Lacey personality earlier in the season, it would have played better but now it’s just another thread that needs to be resolved. And I really hope it’s resolved on Sunday.

[thelonebamf]

I don’t think Lacey is a villain per se. We have plenty of genuine villains running around, we don’t need a weaksauce baddie running around. Rather, Lacey is just a great example of contrasts to other characters and ways of thinking- especially those of the audience. I think that most viewers are probably really interested in magic and the stories that it creates (that’s why we’re watching after all), but this show has done a great job of teaching us why magic isn’t always so great. Lacey represents an interesting case if we just imagine her to be a regular girl. She doesn’t possess magic. She didn’t grow up with magic, but she’s been exposed to it, and she’s seen what kind of power can be harnessed when magic is used. She then (in direct contrast to the lesson the show has been presenting and indeed presented in this very episode) asks to have magic used for her benefit. Now true, Lacey hasn’t seen all the trials and tribulations that the characters have gone through over the last several years, and so she’s missed the memo about all magic coming with a price, but what that means is she’s a great “control group”. Lacey represents the idea that there are many people out there, who when confronted with magic power- would immediately want to seize and utilize it. Maybe not for bad reasons, maybe for ambiguous ones or even well intentioned ones, but still- there would be no hesitation.

So no. Lacey herself isn’t meant to be a villain. She’s just meant to provide a different perspective- namely that maybe Greg and Tamara aren’t entirely wrong in their mission to keep magic out of this world (and the hands of the population)

"Nothing is easier than to denounce the evildoer; nothing is more difficult than to understand him."

[RumplesGirl]

I definitely don’t think Lacey is a villain. She’s a bit of a wild child who knows how to have a good time and like many people when confronted with unimaginable power thinks of herself (wanting to be young forever, for instance). What I don’t enjoy about her is what she is doing to Rumple. I know she’s playing on the darkness that is already there inside him, but she brings it out in a way that we saw with Cora and it’s just super hard to watch both as a Rumbeller and as a Dearie who spends an unholy amount of time defending Rumple and telling people to keep the faith about his goodness. 😆
I also think from a storytelling perspective it’s a B-plot that should have been resolved earlier.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[thelonebamf]

Item 1- Are “Dearies” a thing? Because I am interested and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

Item 2- I like that you brought up Cora. I had a lot of idle time on a road trip this weekend to think about this week’s episode and I actually started comparing Lacey to Cora myself. I think this may actually be the thing that (if we had infinite time to get in to this subplot and explore it as much as we liked) would make the little light go off in Gold’s head that there is something fundamentally wrong and that no matter how much Lacey looks like Belle, she’s not and she’ll never do for him what Belle did. The one thing Belle never did was ask for anything. Her father made the plea for help and she paid cost. But as far as well know she has never asked Rumplestiltskin for anything for herself. (Maybe to spare someone else’s life etc.) The only thing she ever asked for was for him to believe her, to trust her.

So when Lacey asked for immortality, I was sort of blown away. Lacey wants something. It doesn’t matter why- Rumple has never had much luck with people who want something from him. At that point, it becomes just another deal.

"Nothing is easier than to denounce the evildoer; nothing is more difficult than to understand him."

[RumplesGirl]

Item 1- Are “Dearies” a thing? Because I am interested and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

It’s what I hear most often for the fans of Rumple. No newsletter, but we do eat a lot of cookies.

Like Cora, Lacey seemed drawn to magic for it could do for her. Cora wanted power and to make her enemies kneel before her. Lacey wants to be young forever (though the fact that she wants that so she can be with Rumple forever made my heart bleed and yell “Belle is still in there somewhere!”)
In the live chat on Sunday someone said about Lacey and Rumple “this is what a relationship with Cora would have looked like.” Both Cora and Lacey think Rumple is man who shouldn’t let anything stand in his way, they are drawn to his power and his darkness and they encourage it. Rumple harasses Whale simply because he looked at Lacey and in order to prove to Lacey how dark he is, Whale ends up with a face full of boot.
And you’re right. Belle isn’t a person who has a lot of wants. She wants Rumple to be honest with her. Even if that honesty is, “right now I need magic because I’m a coward and I need to find my son because I’ve made horrible mistakes.” She just want him to be honest. Sometimes I think there is a misconception that Belle wants Rumple to give up his magic altogether, but I don’t agree. I think Belle wants him to be honest about it, about what magic does to him and why he needs it.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[thelonebamf]

I have to be honest, I’m not suuuuper sure that Lacey’s intentions are… shall we say “honorable” (for a given value of honor, that is). I wasn’t buying the “so we can be together forever” line, but this may very well have been the way I was reading the delivery and nothing more. It really seemed to me like she knew what buttons to push to get Gold to do what she wants.

She’s got Gold wrapped around her finger… as it were.

(I’ll see myself out now…)

"Nothing is easier than to denounce the evildoer; nothing is more difficult than to understand him."

[laurieanne]

@thelonebamf wrote:

I have to be honest, I’m not suuuuper sure that Lacey’s intentions are… shall we say “honorable” (for a given value of honor, that is). I wasn’t buying the “so we can be together forever” line, but this may very well have been the way I was reading the delivery and nothing more. It really seemed to me like she knew what buttons to push to get Gold to do what she wants.

She’s got Gold wrapped around her finger… as it were.

(I’ll see myself out now…)

I think the same. I haven’t seen any of Belle’s honor in Lacey, although I really really WANT to see it. Yes, we know she is Belle, but I could see a lot more of their FTL selves in MM and David (the early days) and not so much in Lacey. I haven’t been able to rewatch the episode yet (there is apparently some kind of basketball playoff going on…) so I hope to do that tomorrow. Yes, she has Gold wrapped around her finger. I still have faith that he will do the right thing when it comes to Henry.

[obisgirl]

@RumplesGirl wrote:

Like Cora, Lacey seemed drawn to magic for it could do for her. Cora wanted power and to make her enemies kneel before her. Lacey wants to be young forever (though the fact that she wants that so she can be with Rumple forever made my heart bleed and yell “Belle is still in there somewhere!”)

In the live chat on Sunday someone said about Lacey and Rumple “this is what a relationship with Cora would have looked like.” Both Cora and Lacey think Rumple is man who shouldn’t let anything stand in his way, they are drawn to his power and his darkness and they encourage it.

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This is easy, Lacey sees Gold as her sugar daddy (which is a slang term for a man who offers money or gifts to a younger person in return for companionship). Except in this case, it’s being young forever.

Since this is a curse on Belle, I’m hoping True Love’s kiss with Rumpel will restore her FT memories and she’ll be her old self again. I mean TLK is the cure all on this show for breaking spells.

[kfchimera]

TLK won’t work I think this time because pun aside Lacey really is a golddigger–the girl who commits to the sugardaddy just for the material things, not out of love. She said that bit about forever but I also think she wants to manipulate Rumpel . The way he treats her also bugs me a little–telling her to go to the shop or that he has business to discuss. While I was glad she had enough spunk not to exactly do as she was told it does make it seem like she has her own agenda.

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

[RumplesGirl]

Yes, if Lacey’s intentions aren’t honorable as BAMF pointed out (and you could be 100% correct because she knows it’s what he wants and he did just tell her that he could keep her young forever) then TLK won’t work because it’s not true for Lacey (and honestly, I don’t think it’s true for Gold either. I don’t think he’s in love with Lacey, I think he is enjoying what being with her means, i.e: power). Which means we gotta resort to some other way of getting Belle back.
Slurpeez and a few others think it could be healing Chip and having her drink from the well.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

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