which characters you hate? (no flaming or bashing allowed)

[kfchimera]

She wanted to die as Regina, but it is much harder to live without tapping into the Evil Queen’s bag of tricks. I am waiting for her to basically try to escape NL with Henry, while leaving the others behind. I’m not sure she’ll actively set that up–but I could see her taking advantage of the situation to do just that.

[RumplesGirl]

@KFChimera wrote:

She wanted to die as Regina, but it is much harder to live without tapping into the Evil Queen’s bag of tricks. I am waiting for her to basically try to escape NL with Henry, while leaving the others behind. I’m not sure she’ll actively set that up–but I could see her taking advantage of the situation to do just that.

I can see that situation as well. Even if she doesn’t go through with it, there is no doubt in my mind that she’ll consider it–seriously consider. She’s still Regina, even if she’s starting out on her true path to redemption, she’ll always have the EQ inside her.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[yuka chan]

Hate’s a strong word but there’s something about Neal that really rubs me the wrong way. I really like Bae in the flashbacks but it’s like he and Neal aren’t even the same person. He just comes across as such a jerk whenever he and Emma have differing opinions on something (see: Tamara & Emma’s “superpower”), he can really get on my nerves. 🙁

As for August, I really liked him but when he became kid Pinnochio again, I hated that. That’s not that different from killing him off…

A part of me loves Rumple but a part also really hates him and that’s far too complicated to get into. :’) I hate Cora for reasons similar to why I partially dislike Rumple.

I also really, really don’t like Mary Margaret/Snow sometimes. There’s something about really “good” characters that puts me off. In fact, I had a phase a few months ago where I kinda hated all the “heroes” on the show because it felt like they were justified in whatever they did just because they were being depicted as the heroes… I think I’m past it now?? But there is something about Snow, especially after Cora gets killed that really annoys me because she comes across as so self-pitying.

[darkones1fan]

I never liked Tamara she always rubs me the wrong way. I like Cora more than her and Cora’s more evil. Perhaps it’s because she’s a fanatic about this whole destroy “Unholy” magic thing, Greg during the last few episodes really got on my bad side. A part of me was glad Regina told him his dad was dead (Is that sick of me of what 😥 ) But I was like I'm glad Regina is going out in one more blaze of Evil glory! But thankfully I was wrong. So yeah I don’t like those two. But also because I still don’t fully understand were they are coming from their backstory! Even Cora had a backstory that I could of somewhat not really sympathize with.

[obisgirl]

@yuka chan wrote:

Hate’s a strong word but there’s something about Neal that really rubs me the wrong way. I really like Bae in the flashbacks but it’s like he and Neal aren’t even the same person. He just comes across as such a jerk whenever he and Emma have differing opinions on something (see: Tamara & Emma’s “superpower”), he can really get on my nerves. 🙁

You’re not the only one who feels that way. I hate the way he makes Emma doubt herself. I didn’t mind the teasing part in the beginning but now, and the way he still sees things as black and white is really unnerving. Guess Henry is the same way to a degree but Neal’s an adult! I feel like ever since he came to Storybrooke, he’s done nothing but belittle Emma.

[kfchimera]

What things does Neal see as “black and white”? I don’t see him as belittling Emma to make her doubt herself. They have a level of familiarity with each other, and they may rib each other, but they also support each other. He tells her, when they are having that conversation about what August meant about danger to Storybrooke, that Emma always finds what she is looking for. He is supporting her to say she will figure the mystery out. When he and Emma argue about his having invited Tamara, he admits to not having thought it through. If he saw things as black and white, I don’t think he would have admitted that. He seems conflicted a lot of the time–like when he tells Rumpel he didn’t know Rumpel had it in him (regarding the speech to Belle), but then adds he is still angry.

The one thing he does see as absolute is his duty and love for Henry–and I think that is a good thing.

Also, I don’t fault Neal for not believing Emma’s “superpower” when she doesn’t always listen to it herself, nor has it shown to be accurate all the time. Sydney Glass lied to her, and she thought Regina did not lie about Archie’s murder but then had to go with the circumstantial magical evidence of a dog, despite what her “superpower” told her. In Tamara’s case, they tried to find circumstantial evidence–Neal believed Emma enough to at least look. Beyond that, I saw his reluctance to believe her as based on what he wanted to be true–if Emma was right, that she wasn’t emotional and Tamara was lying, then neither woman loved him, the other way (if she were being a jealous ex), they both do. Given his history, that’s a lot of betrayal to take in, versus believing what he wanted to be true, that he was loved and wanted.

Now, I could see disliking Neal because he was waffling a bit David-Nolan style. It can be hard to hurt or break someone’s heart, but it is the right thing to do, rather than two-time or lead someone on. So I don’t like that Neal was less than forthright about Tamara, and not entirely sending out the right signals to Emma. Even if Tamara turned out to be a two-timing evil schemer, Neal didn’t know she wasn’t the nice NY girl next door she had appeared to be. So he should have been more honest with himself and with her.

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

[Phee]

*points at KFC’s post* Yeah, that. 🙂

[Demileto]

@obisgirl wrote:

@yuka chan wrote:

Hate’s a strong word but there’s something about Neal that really rubs me the wrong way. I really like Bae in the flashbacks but it’s like he and Neal aren’t even the same person. He just comes across as such a jerk whenever he and Emma have differing opinions on something (see: Tamara & Emma’s “superpower”), he can really get on my nerves. 🙁

You’re not the only one who feels that way. I hate the way he makes Emma doubt herself. I didn’t mind the teasing part in the beginning but now, and the way he still sees things as black and white is really unnerving. Guess Henry is the same way to a degree but Neal’s an adult! I feel like ever since he came to Storybrooke, he’s done nothing but belittle Emma.

yuka chan, obisgirl, MRJ did an interesting interview discussing Neal a few weeks ago that might bring a bit more understanding of the character to you. It’s on this link if you feel like reading it: http://www.onceuponafans.com/a-drifter-s-golden-dream

[RumplesGirl]

@Yuka Chan wrote:

I also really, really don’t like Mary Margaret/Snow sometimes. There’s something about really “good” characters that puts me off. In fact, I had a phase a few months ago where I kinda hated all the “heroes” on the show because it felt like they were justified in whatever they did just because they were being depicted as the heroes… I think I’m past it now?? But there is something about Snow, especially after Cora gets killed that really annoys me because she comes across as so self-pitying.

Interesting. Sometimes I’m also annoyed by the good guys (like Snow and Charming) because their goodness is so often in your face. I remember being really irritated right before Charming went down the hole to save Anton, he and Snow stopped to talk about their goodness and have a little kissing scene. I was like, “yes I know. You’re saving him because that’s what you people do. Just go do it!” Charming is prone to over the top speeches about valor and honor, but that’s what makes him the romantic hero. I don’t hate them at all, but glad they made Snow the one who tricked Regina, because her character needs to be more nuanced lest she become a cliche or boring.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[obisgirl]

@KFChimera wrote:

What things does Neal see as “black and white”? I don’t see him as belittling Emma to make her doubt herself.

I think his argument with his dad after breaking up Gold/Lacey’s bullying of Dr. Whale exemplifies this the best. He doesn’t see the full picture here. Regina cursed Belle, gave her fake memories and when he sees Golden Lacey bullying Whale, he’s like “I knew you haven’t changed.” Storybrooke’s a small town and he doesn’t know that Regina cursed Belle and the only way Gold can be with her is to be bad?

In Manhattan, Emma had to run after him to catch him, cause Neal was still running away from her and when she did, Neal yelled at her, (it’s almost if he doesn’t call her names) and he told her that if he had known about her he would never have approached her.

Do you realize how rude it is to say that? Emma needed to be told she did matter to him, that she meant something but Neal laughed at her. It could be because he was nervous and yet, at the bar, Neal could have apologized but he didn’t.

Why not apologizing back then? Why not telling her she did matter to him?

Then, there’s looking back to the event post-Manhattan. Remember, how we all hated how Henry treated Emma after he found out that Neal, his bio-dad was alive? All that time together and Neal never sat Henry down and explained to him that Emma was trying to protect him and never meant to lie and hurt him? ‘Cause that would have been the fatherly thing to do, to call him out on his rudeness towards his mom. It never happened.

Neal keeps mocking Emma, trying to get a jealous reaction from her. This is very childish and mean behavior. Emma is wounded because he found Tallahassee with someone else, because he moved on and it’s like Neal is trying to prove to her that he’s over her now. It’s mean, rude and unacceptable.

He never believed her, in her aptitudes and skills, everything that makes her Emma. He doubts her, he never believes her and treats her like a child. Yes, Emma’s super power doesn’t work sometimes but come on, she was spot on about Tamara the whole time and it wasn’t jealousy or had nothing to do with wanting to get back together with her ex.

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