Who Do You Think the death is?

[betsypaige24]

I had an epiphany this afternoon that this is going to come back to haunt her. If Neal dies, then how can she not remember her words? I can see her being full of regret and love  – and despair – and I think that it will curtail any relationship she has with Hook (at least for awhile).
She wished Neal were dead so she wouldn’t have to deal with past issues, but I think eventually the lesson will be that you can’t avoid the past, it has to be dealt with.  She loves Neal, there’s no doubt – and I just see this as part of her journey (oh, what might have been).

[Jenna_B]

I don’t necessarily think Emma’s words are going to haunt her, whether Neal does or doesn’t die, or she is or isn’t with Hook (or anyone else).  The fact of the matter is, she was telling Neal the exact truth – if he died, it would’ve been easier to move on.  Ultimately, she’s going to have to deal with her past whether anyone is dead or alive.  That’s what it means to be an adult.

Dead or alive, Neal still hurt her.  Badly.  Badly enough that she kept that hurt bottled up in her for 11 years.  That’s a lot of hurt.  I think it started to thaw when she met Henry, because she could see that good came from the relationship.

I think we’re going to see, when Emma has a set of ‘real’ and ‘fake’ memories, is she realizes how much she missed out on Henry’s life – the person that means the most to her.  I’m betting her memories of keeping Henry have already helped her heal from her relationship with Neal.  She’ll be sad if he does die, but I don’t think her words are going to make her grieve any more.

Romantic love pales in comparison to the love one has for their child.  It just does.  This, even if fake, probably got Emma to a point in her life where she can be with other people romantically, and ultimately, not have that pain she had in 3A when it came to Neal.  She can love him as the father of her child, but what’s done is done.  She’s going to regain her memories, but I don’t think she’s going to lose the strength she feels she got from raising Henry.  Emma will undoubtedly be in a very different place in 3B, and I think very little about her past is going to have as much of an impact on her as it did before she lost her memories, simply because she knows what it would have been like to fill the void that giving up Henry, not losing Neal, caused.

[obisgirl]

I seriously don’t know what else to add to that post, Jenna. It’s perfect and says it all.

[RumplesGirl]

*steps up on Mod Box*

Just a quite little note.

Matt and I decided to move Betsy’s original post to this thread because it dealt with the spoiled death and the repercussions therein. We didn’t feel the need for two threads dealing with a death of a character and any sort of emotional character development that would come after.

However, Matt and I both agree that the posts might go into shipwar territory. He and I are going to just urge caution when making any sort of response to the most recent posts.

We are not censoring conversation. We are simply asking that we not devolve into an all out CSF battle. All opinions are welcome and valid but we need to respect everyone’s veiw points.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[betsypaige24]

As to the death, if it truly does happen in 315 say,  I assume they would have written it themselves. That would be part of the episode that Kalinda Vasquez didn’t write. This is probably a rare thing, but I don’t see how they’d ever let a first-time solo writer handle such an emotional subject – maybe only Jane would get that chance.

[Jenna_B]

I do think the BIG death probably happens later in the season.  The circa 3×15 death, I’m guessing, is a more minor character – I know Little John’s name has been rolling around…now had they NOT blabbed and kept the whole stinkin’ spoiler a secret, a minor death in the beginning would’ve really let down everyone’s guard and created a lot more impact when a major character dies later in the season.

If a major character were to die, of course.  Still sticking to my cracked headcannon the whole death stuff is a misdirect, Mitovich happening upon some spiked punch at the TCAs, A&E realizing a major character death will likely result in actual World War III… 🙂

[Killian Jones]

I don’t necessarily think Emma’s words are going to haunt her, whether Neal does or doesn’t die, or she is or isn’t with Hook (or anyone else). The fact of the matter is, she was telling Neal the exact truth – if he died, it would’ve been easier to move on. Ultimately, she’s going to have to deal with her past whether anyone is dead or alive. That’s what it means to be an adult. Dead or alive, Neal still hurt her. Badly. Badly enough that she kept that hurt bottled up in her for 11 years. That’s a lot of hurt. I think it started to thaw when she met Henry, because she could see that good came from the relationship. I think we’re going to see, when Emma has a set of ‘real’ and ‘fake’ memories, is she realizes how much she missed out on Henry’s life – the person that means the most to her. I’m betting her memories of keeping Henry have already helped her heal from her relationship with Neal. She’ll be sad if he does die, but I don’t think her words are going to make her grieve any more. Romantic love pales in comparison to the love one has for their child. It just does. This, even if fake, probably got Emma to a point in her life where she can be with other people romantically, and ultimately, not have that pain she had in 3A when it came to Neal. She can love him as the father of her child, but what’s done is done. She’s going to regain her memories, but I don’t think she’s going to lose the strength she feels she got from raising Henry. Emma will undoubtedly be in a very different place in 3B, and I think very little about her past is going to have as much of an impact on her as it did before she lost her memories, simply because she knows what it would have been like to fill the void that giving up Henry, not losing Neal, caused.

 

love this post Jenna great job 🙂

[Killian Jones]

I’ve added a new update to my death theory to include the tweets we got from MRJ. I took the last few days after it was posted to do my due diligence with the information and make sure I was thorough in evaluating how it fit in to everything.

 

http://thehooked1.tumblr.com/post/78528704296/for-those-keeping-score-with-regards-to-the-death

[Phee]

I don’t necessarily think Emma’s words are going to haunt her, whether Neal does or doesn’t die, or she is or isn’t with Hook (or anyone else). The fact of the matter is, she was telling Neal the exact truth – if he died, it would’ve been easier to move on. Ultimately, she’s going to have to deal with her past whether anyone is dead or alive. That’s what it means to be an adult.

Agreed, but it’ll be more angst ridden for her to deal with it if Neal remains alive, and angst = drama in TV. Killing Neal would be them giving Emma an easier way of dealing, (they have established, in canon, from Emma’s own lips, that it would be easier for her to move on if he’d really been dead and she didn’t have to address her emotions for him head on), and these writers don’t tend to like giving their characters the easy way.

I think we’re going to see, when Emma has a set of ‘real’ and ‘fake’ memories, is she realizes how much she missed out on Henry’s life – the person that means the most to her. I’m betting her memories of keeping Henry have already helped her heal from her relationship with Neal.

She’ll have to have a different perspective on her past with Neal now, due to 11 years of memories with Henry. It wouldn’t be believable if those 11 years didn’t alter her perspective in some way. What that way actually is, we’ll just have to wait and see. Maybe it was easier for her to deal with Neal’s having left her and move on, because she still had Henry, so she never felt completely alone, and had a new purpose in life, to be a good mother, which in turn made her more open to other people as well. Maybe the whole 11 years have been bittersweet because every time there was a special moment with Henry, she was sad that Neal was missing out, and it would eat away at her, knowing that Tallahassee could have been even better than they’d dreamed because they’d have had a child as part of it. I doubt it’ll be black and white either way, I’d expect her altered perspective on it all to be layered and complicated, which will give us an Emma in S3B who feels torn and confused.

I do think the BIG death probably happens later in the season.

I really think it’s gonna be a finale death. They wouldn’t have to risk getting a chunk of their fanbase off side mid-season, and would also be able to keep the dead character’s ID under wraps, because once the finale is shot, everyone leaves Vancouver, so tracking who was where and when couldn’t possibly give it away.

[Sarah_TN]

Ex

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I really think it’s gonna be a finale death. They wouldn’t have to risk getting a chunk of their fanbase off side mid-season, and would also be able to keep the dead character’s ID under wraps, because once the finale is shot, everyone leaves Vancouver, so tracking who was where and when couldn’t possibly give it away.

Exactly. I believe this death will be very hard-hitting among the fandom, and the way A&E are handling that is what tells me it’s probably a fan favorite. Fans will have an entire summer to “get over their mad” after this happens, and I think ABC is banking on dust settling, and then everyone tunes in next fall. If the death is my favorite, I can honestly say I probably won’t.

Other good points have been made. With a spoiler like the one we’ve gotten about a death, there is no way just any writer would be asked to handle that. I fully expect the person who said it’d be A&E, or Jane Espenson was quite correct, so on that point, who wrote 3×16? Who’s writing 3×20? 3×21? 3×22? I am betting they’ll write 3×22. The death will be filmed in studio, and we’ll have no idea who it is, until this actually happens.

I am a huge Hook fan, and a Captian Swan shipper, but I have to look at this objectively. That said, everyone should take off rose-colored glasses, and start weighing observations. Colin O’Donoghue’s tweeting pattern took a sudden change right before Christmas. My perceptions tell me it’s possible that’s when he got news it’d be him. Where has MRJ been? He’s been filming movies recently. Does that mean he’s left/leaving Once Upon A Time? It could, but not necessarilly. He’s also stated he was not in Vancouver to film another show’s pilot. Where has Emilie been? I do not know, however it’s been stated that A&E have plans for her next season, and they’ve already said Rumple is not the death. I think we can safely assume it is not any part of “Rumbelle”. Would it be Regina? Possibly, but who would be Storybrooke’s villan? In a recent interview, A&E already said the WWW will not be around forever. Emma? Once without it’s star? No, that’d rip the carpet out from under the show. It wouldn’t have a foundation to stand on. Snow and Charming? Snow? Ginny’s having a baby obviously (and so will Snow), so that’s an upcoming story line I’m sure the show has plans for. Between those two, Charming would be a possibility. He was not supposed to have survived the pilot, but he’s been around for this long. Unless this season has plans to cultivate some good story material, I just don’t see a lot for there for any hard-hitting, or significant story telling where he’s concerned.

All this said, here’s my take, and how I’m breaking it down.

The main characters who Once has the most to work from are:

*Emma (Needs no explaination. She is the show’s main character)

*Henry (because of Emma and Regina)

*Regina (her past, present, and her development into the future)

*Snow (Because of the baby, Emma, and Regina)

*Neal (Because of his past, Rumple, and how all that may play into the future)

*Rumple (Needs no explanation, but his potential may thereby provide material for Belle)

The main Characters there is the least to work from:

*Belle (If Rumple is going to be there for flashbacks then sorry, I just don’t see much there for her, except another template for the usual damsel in distress)

*Charming (Snow and Charming are OUAT’s John and Marcia. Charming is OUAT’s caped hero who ta-da-da-da-dahhhhh….runs in to save the day….again. It’s pretty much all we’re getting. “John!” “Marcia!” “John!” “Marcia!” “John!” “Marcia!”…). Too much sugar just makes a person sick.

The wild card:

*Hook (All I can see is a continual pattern of domestic material, the Snow/Charming “John!” “Marcia!” type stuff, and clever villanry on the side of whatever events are taking place in Storybrooke at any one time; in other words, a supporting character, not a main character — UNLESS the Blackbeard storyline and backstory builds more material for them to work off of. This absolutely could happen, not to mention that we fans are really hoping for more Captain Swan moments in season 4 whether romantic, or in friendship. I would like to see Hook continue to develop and evolve, how that plays into relationships, how he grows as a person, and how that impacts him and others in Storybrooke).

Who do I think the death will be? I think it is certain to be either Charming, or Hook. Personally, I hope it’s not Hook because he’s still my favorite but honestly, I wish it were nobody. I wish the show wasn’t killing anybody off.

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Edit: I do think the show needs to be careful where Emma is concerned. If she does loose another romantic interest, the show’s going to make her look like a soap opera-ish diva of disaster. Just an observation.

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