Who Do You Think the death is?

[kfchimera]

We should note that the rules of this recreated SB and curse could be different than what it took to create the original town.

First, remember there’s magic still!  This is not a new curse, but a reboot of the old one, or recreation.  Imagine you had a town made in a computer program, like say, the SIMS.  You make some special modifications, such as Rumple bringing magic to it.  Snow is Mary Margret, not some new persona that the Wicked wanted to impose on her. They have those old memories.  Curiously, they are missing the last year.  This is the same program I suppose is what I’m saying, it is not a new program of a new town, if we can compare a magic curse to making a virtual town.

Something ELSE is going on here, whatever it is.   That doesn’t mean Neal is safe or in danger–it just means we’re lacking a lot of information to even assume that a heart was needed to reboot (?) SB back to existence or whatever it was that happened.

[Elizabeth R]

if its neal that dies do you think henry will be mad at emma for not telling him sooner who his dad was(its really his great grandfather’s fault for what happened with neal leaving emma) so they could’ve spent more time together and because of his memory loss he might be mad because he didn’t get to say goodbye to neal the right way

No matter what, Neal is going to be meaningful to her because he’s always going to be the father of Henry.
And the time that she did spend with Neal before he was forced to let her go was really wonderful.

[sharon]

Hmm – Ok, if a heart was not needed… another reason Neal is in danger is if Emma is still considered “The Savior” and the only one who can break the curse. She broke it last time with true love’s kiss — when she planted one on her son’s forehead. So … perhaps the WWW would want to keep Neal away from Emma. There’s also been spoilers that Hook was led into a trap. She could trap Hook to cover all her bases. Come to think of it — how come Emma didn’t try kissing her kid’s forehead again to see if the curse would break? Seems a logical way to try and get everyone’s memories back since it worked the first time…and it takes 3 seconds.

Perhaps this curse can only be broken by findinging “home sweet home”? Still would be a motivating factor for the WWW to do-away with Neal.

Anyway – bottom line – Love Neal, but I’m worried for him. I really hope I’m wrong. It just seems like such a waste of a good storyline if they kill him.

[Phee]

Something ELSE is going on here, whatever it is. That doesn’t mean Neal is safe or in danger–it just means we’re lacking a lot of information to even assume that a heart was needed to reboot (?) SB back to existence or whatever it was that happened.

Yep, I’m not convinced this new Curse is the kinda thing that required a heart sacrifice, because it has a different purpose, not to create something new, but rather to go back to what was. The reboot isn’t as hardcore as what Regina did when she created the place from scratch, so I don’t think the effort of re-casting it will necessarily be as hardcore either.

Come to think of it — how come Emma didn’t try kissing her kid’s forehead again to see if the curse would break? Seems a logical way to try and get everyone’s memories back since it worked the first time…and it takes 3 seconds.

Neither one of them are subject to the conditions of this new Curse, so I don’t think it would matter. I think part of the reason that it worked for the original Curse was that Henry, though he wasn’t cursed like everyone else was, he was still affected by the Curse, having lived under it all his life. So the kiss was someone from within the Curse (Henry) and someone from without (Emma) creating that magical connection. In this new instance, Emma and Henry are separate entities to what’s going on with the Curse. I think if a kiss is gonna break this one, it’s gonna be Regina kissing Henry. She came close to drawing him in for a forehead kiss in 313 but stopped herself. I think that forehead kiss will happen again, after Henry believes (we know he’s getting the book back, and it was holding the book that helped bring back Emma’s memories when she was ready to believe, so I could see the same thing happening with Henry), and he’ll go to Regina all, “Mom!” and she’ll kiss him and *POOF* Curse is broken, everyone’s memories are back. I think it’s gotta be Regina involved this time, because I think that blood potion is taking the place of the true love potion from the original Curse, putting Regina in the place of the person being able to break it, instead of Emma.

[killianhookfan]

if its neal that dies do you think henry will be mad at emma for not telling him sooner who his dad was(its really his great grandfather’s fault for what happened with neal leaving emma) so they could’ve spent more time together and because of his memory loss he might be mad because he didn’t get to say goodbye to neal the right way

Regardless of whether the death is Neal or not – so far Henry’s memories have been handled very differently than I expected.  From the spoilers we were given I had the impression Emma was purposely keeping Henry from getting back his memories – not that there wasn’t enough memory potion for him to get them back.  I think this puts her in a completely different situation if the death IS Neal.

At this point there really isn’t anything she can do except to keep Henry in the dark about everything.  It is pointless to try to explain to him who everyone is because not only would she have to get him to believe they are all fairy tale characters but she would also gave to try to get him to believe that he was raised by the Evil Queen and actually lived in SB for 11 years.  I actually think it makes more sense for her to just wait to try to get a memory potion so he remembers it all.

As far as Neal goes – that’s also tricky because right now no one knows where he is and Henry won’t have any memory of the time he spent with him.  So unfortunately the only knowledge he has of his father is as a “sperm donor” who abandoned his mother.  So if Neal does show up do you think that he is going to be excited to meet and get to know him without his memories back??  I think poor Emma is in a terrible position here.

With that said, if it is Neal who dies I think it will SUCK if they kill him off before Henry gets his memories back.  It seems like they will have two extremely traumatized characters left behind after his death – Rumple and Henry, and I really don’t see how they take care of that issue without massive problems for their relationships.  And I don’t really think a season of Rumple having to be on suicide watch and Henry needing more psychotherapy sounds like one I would be looking forward to.

 

[kfchimera]

I  don’t think any true love breaks it as Snowing could kiss at any moment, something special about what happened with Emma and Henry, and I agree Regina and Henry May be what flips it.

Emma did not get Memory potion to believe in Season 1, so perhaps Henry will figure it out.  I am not sure how it will affect him.  it is Hard to guess.

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

[MatthewPaul]

I’ve been considering this for a while, but I have to wonder if ABC will make the move and flat out promote which episode the death happens in like they have done with “The Miller’s Daughter” and just recently Scandal. Adam and Eddy might not be for it, since they know fans like us who pay attention to every spoiler would play the process of elimination game based on who’s been filming for preceding episodes. However, they’ve made it clear that ABC does their own thing and they have given stuff away before that Adam and Eddy didn’t approve of. ABC might see the major character death as a good promotional stunt to get more ratings. Especially since this is a legit regular getting KO’d, and not just some villain or minor character. Just saying, be on the lookout if any upcoming episodes get that type of promotion.

[betsypaige24]

I don’t think Gold would react that way, honestly…….In S2 finale, he was handling Neal’s death relatively well, thanks to Belle.   Belle’s death, IMO, would be the one to throw him in a tizzy, making him break down and lose it because his TL would be gone – and as much as he loves his son, Neal is not his rock or anchor or emotional center.  Gold can get through Neal’s death with Belle supporting and loving him, but without her…..

I really don’t understand this theory that Gold kills Neal at WW’s behest. For one thing, MRJ was scene filming in SB. For another, while Regina did tear her father’s heart out, at least it was her choic. Forcing Gold to do that to Belle or Bae would be disgustingly brutal and completely cruel….. Lastly, IF he dies, I think he’d die for Emma and Henry. All of his spoilers have really been about them……..It’s Belle who we think is involved in Gold’s story.. I think that if WW were to demand he hurt or kill anyone, it would be Belle. In my fantasy, Gold’s love for Belle overpowers the magic of the dagger  and……… That’s just my fantasy though; even if it doesn’t happen, I still don’t think Neal or Belle or whomever will di at Gold’s hands

[Sarah_TN]

I really have to wonder if MRJ has done a lot of studio stuff and anticipating the “elimination game”, Adam and Eddy used a perceived absence as a distraction to keep everone’s scent off of the real deal (you know how Adam feels about spoilers). Just healthy skepticism with a practical observation to state that it seems like it would be out of character for A&E to let a big spoiler like this be made so obvious. I still think a lot of people will either be surprised, or not, but I am not convinced the death is Neal. It’s uncomfortably obvious. Like said, just healthy skepticism.

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[Phee]

With that said, if it is Neal who dies I think it will SUCK if they kill him off before Henry gets his memories back.

Which is why, now knowing that Henry doesn’t yet have his memories back, I’m even more sure that it won’t be Neal who dies. I suspect Henry will be without his memories for quite a few eps, possibly right up to almost the end of the season, and I simply cannot imagine them killing his father off when Henry doesn’t remember him. And even if Henry gets his memories back sooner, like within the next couple of eps, are they gonna have him remember his father, only to kill him off very soon (like days, or even a couple of weeks, depending how time progresses in S3B) after? I just really don’t see them doing that because not only would it be beyond heartbreaking and straight up cruel for Henry, it would take all the stuff they’ve built up about Neal being determined to break the cycle of abandonment and flush it right down the drain. Not that him being killed would be him abandoning Henry by choice, but I’m just saying, the story they’ve been writing is about the hope that Neal and Henry won’t be like Bae and Rumple, and Rumple and Pan, so I don’t see how a natural progression of the story they’ve written thus far would be Neal dying and yet another male in the Stiltskin line being left fatherless.

I’ve been considering this for a while, but I have to wonder if ABC will make the move and flat out promote which episode the death happens in

I’m thinking it’ll be in the big 2 hour season finale, and they’ll promote it like, “There will be a BIRTH, and a DEATH!” 321 being Snow centric, my first thought was that the birth would be in 321, and the death in 322. But maybe, because of the way they’ll air the eps together, part of that decision was because there’ll just be one set of credits, and so even though a regular dies in 321, they’ll still technically get a credit on screen for the entire season. Also, a birth is a happier note to end a season on. Anyway, which ever order it happens in, I think we’re gonna have the birth and the death in the 2 hour finale for maximum dramatic promotion potential.

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