Who Do You Think the death is?

[PriceofMagic]

PriceofMagic wrote:

Just a thought, do we know the character is going to be killed by the WW or are we just assuming? What if the character dies in a car crash or gets run over or something. That would be a bit of a shocker, everyone including the characters think the biggest threat to life is the WW and it turns out the regular dies a “normal” death with no magic involved whatsoever.

I think we’re assuming but i would be surprised if it was any other way. They want to do the death justice then they need to go out with a bang.

I think the audience would expect the death to be caused by WW. It’d be a shock if the cause of death wasn’t from the WW but from the car you’d seen several times earlier in the episode. Just had a thought about how shocking it would be. Just imagine the death is Henry. The whole episode everyone is dealing with WW, she has threatened several of their lives. They defeat her with 10 minutes to go in the episode. Everyone is happy, everything is normal and going to be okay. The audience breathes a collective sight of relief, nobody’s going to die…… then we see Henry walking down the street, minding his own business. He see one of his friends on the opposite side of the street (perhaps Pinocchio since we might be getting the August/Neal interaction) Henry crosses the road then BAM! a car appears out of nowhere and hits him. He’s rushed to hospital but nothing can be done. Emma tries the true love kiss that worked in season 1 but Henry is brain dead and his life support has to be switched off. Henry is dead, he’s not coming back. Cue a very sad and depressing end to an edge of your seat episode.

I think the death will go for the emotional punch rather than the action punch.

[Gaultheria]

I’m starting to think that the death has already happened, and that the full reason Hook came to New York to find Emma is because the people of the Enchanted Forest need their Queen.

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[PriceofMagic]

I’m starting to think that the death has already happened, and that the full reason Hook came to New York to find Emma is because the people of the Enchanted Forest need their Queen.

So your saying that the New York stuff is a flashforward and the Storybrooke stuff happens before that?

All magic comes with a price!

Keeper of Felix

[Gaultheria]

I was thinking of New York as present-day and Storybrooke as flashback — no way to rewrite the death as an alternate, dystopian future that way — but maybe we’re talking about the same thing and just using the words a bit differently.

I wouldn’t like for the show to lose Snow, but Emma coming to terms with her royal heritage is something the show still needs to explore.

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[Gaultheria]

I’m also expecting another death, based on Rowling’s Rule of Character Conservation: if the author saves one, she must kill two others.

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[Josephine]

I have the perfect song to sum up this hiatus, the death spoiler and all the ship fighting. This spoiler is going to drive us all batty by the time it happens. My dad used to sing this too me all the time when he wanted to annoy me. Sums up everything succinctly in 26 seconds:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXysRO11Xi8

Keeper of Rumplestiltskin's and Neal's spears and war paint and crystal ball.

[RumplesGirl]

I have the perfect song to sum up this hiatus, the death spoiler and all the ship fighting. This spoiler is going to drive us all batty by the time it happens. My dad used to sing this too me all the time when he wanted to annoy me. Sums up everything succinctly in 26 seconds:

lol

I’m also expecting another death, based on Rowling’s Rule of Character Conservation: if the author saves one, she must kill two others.

Interesting…. hm.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[betsypaige24]

My question would be, why kill off a main character? If the actor wanted to leave the show, why not give their character a happy ending going off into the sunset? Either way there is going to be a backlash over who dies because several parts of fandom prefer certain characters over others. Yes a death gets everyone talking but why not kill off one of the beloved supporting characters to show the audience that the villain means business? Red could be killed off which would not only explain Red’s absence from the show but she’s beloved enough for her death to show the villain is evil. In Downton Abbey, the only reason Matthew Crawley was killed off was because his actor wanted to leave and do other things, and STORYWISE it wouldn’t have made sense for Matthew to willingly not be around for Mary and his newborn son. I presume if an actor did want to leave, they have to give notice to allow their exit to be worked into the story. So was the death planned from the start of 3A? The middle of 3A? During the hiatus? Also theoretically, any of the adult characters could up and leave whenever they wanted so why not give them their happy ending instead of killing them off causing backlash. Henry is the only character that can’t really up and leave because he’s only 12. Therefore if Jared Gilmore did want to leave, there is only one way Henry would be able to go. Child characters are notorious for changing their appearances during shows runs, however normally, the child character is not a big part of the show whereas in Once Henry is a big part so theoretically if Jared Gilmore did want to leave, how would they deal with that other than to kill him off.

How can you give them a happy ending if that character is part of a ship? Neal’s Happy Ending is with Emma and Henry……..they’re not leaving. Belle’s HE is with Gold………he’s not leaving (unless the show continues past 5 seasons and Bobby decides he’s had enough). Hook is different – he could leave and return. I know he has strong feelings for Emma, but I don’t know that he’s really in love, that she is his  or even if that matters since Emma is not ready for a relationship now anyway.

Killing a main character has far more impact than killing a side character who is rarely seen.  IF this person really wanted to leave and made it clear, then I can see killing the character. If it was someone like Emilie, who wants to leave because she simply needs more work (and isn’t unhappy with the show and would still love to appear on it), then I would hope they’d NOT kill her off (in Emilie’s case, they should keep Belle alive in case she does want to return- or can – so that they can possibly do more Rumbelle).  Now if this is for storyline purposes only, well “dead is dead” and it has far more resonance than someone just leaving (and they can’t leave SB anyway……..not without losing memories).

As to Belle, RG, there’s a lot to tell in FB, but the writers don’t want to do that. She’s more than just Gold’s girlfriend; she had a life, and I’d like to see her  pre-Rumple life. Plus, there is still a lot they can show in the DC (like the time post-library, when their friendship developed and post-curtain scene pre-bravery talk, when IMO, their obvious feelings for each other must have made their friendship awkward). The fact that the writers don’t want to tell Belle’s sotry is the reason why it makes the most sense to kill her….they have no interest in her story, it would give Bobby much to play and frankly they probably weren’t going to give Rumbelle their HEA anyway.  Bobby probably wouldn’t be happy, but he’s a professional – he’d probably give some of his best work.  I don’t want Belle killed for a million reasons and I don’t really think it’s her (some reasons relating to Disney – some, but not all), but it really is the most logical thing. I really hate for her to be on this show and basically be dead anyway – that’s what she is as a character, which pains me because she’s an amazing character. Poor thing has zilch to do

[RumplesGirl]

Character and who would be upset at their death: Belle- Dearies, Belles and RumBellers Neal- Firethieves and SFers Emma- Hookers, Ducklings, Firethieves, SFers and CSers Regina- WickedRegals, Hoodies, OQers Charming- Charmers, Snowingers Snow- Snowpeople?, Snowingers Hook- Hookers, CSers Henry- ?

But the problem with this logic is that it reduces the shows total viewership to Fandom. And that’s not true. Over a 7 day period of veiwing between 6-9/10 million people watch ONCE at some point. The internet culture fandom is a small portion of that. And as Adam keeps insisting, this is for story reasons. Killing Henry upsets the characters, fandom be screwed.

And I would argue that Henry’s death affects almost every fan base like so:

UglyDuclkings–Emma’s son. Emma without her son is a devastated Emma.

EvilRegal–Regina’s son. Same as above

FireThieves/SFers–Neal’s son. He needs a chance to be a father and to prove that he is going to break the cycle of abandonment from PP–Rumple–Neal–Henry

Snowing/The Fairest/Charmers — Grandson. Snow and Charming would have to watch their only child (so far) deal with the loss of her child. Unhappy Snow and Charming = unhappy Snow/Charming fan base

Dearies –Grandson. Rumple laments not being able to save his grandson in some way and is upset that now his son has lost his chance to be a father. Unhappy Rumple = unhappy Rumbellers and unhappy Dearies

Belles = Same as above

Hookers/CSers = Hook cares for Emma and therefore cares for Henry. Emma being unhappy = not being in a relationship with any one because of pain over loosing Henry. Of course not all Hookers are CSers, but I’m speaking broadly.

As to Belle, RG, there’s a lot to tell in FB, but the writers don’t want to do that. This is why it makes the most sense to kill her….they have no interest in her story, it would give Bobby much to play and frankly they probably weren’t going to give Rumbelle their HEA anyway. Bobby probably wouldn’t be happy, but he’s a professional – he’d probably give some of his best work. I don’t want Belle killed for a million reasons and I don’t really think it’s her (some reasons relating to Disney – some, but not all), but it really is the most logical thing. I really hate for her to be on this show and basically be dead anyway – that’s what she is as a character, which pains me because she’s an amazing character. Poor thing has zilch to do

Betsy, I know that. And you know that. 🙂 But I’m speaking to how A and E have demonstrated Belle’s story. Of course there is plenty to tell. But so far, A and E haven’t shown any interest in that so I’m going off past history not what SHOULD be.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[betsypaige24]

I added some more to my post, but yeah – that’s why I think it’s logical for Belle to die. However, it also makes no sense since they brought her on due to insane popularity.  Forget about whether Disney would allow them to kill her…….if they did, Belle fans would be devastated and so would Rumbelle fans……and those fans already on the edge of leaving would be pushed right over.

Eddy joked at CC (or Paley?) about all the twitter Rumbelle fans he wouldn’t hear from if they didn’t reunite (or get their HE, whatever)…….so he and Adam know that destroying them would give a huge body blow to their show.

Ugh, it’s so frustrating. I don’t want Belle to die, I don’t want Rumbelle to die, I don’t really think she will…….but on the other hand, it kills me to see Emilie being wasted,. Belle (a fab character) being wasted and Rumbelle…..well, they’re not even Rumbelle (more like Rum and Belle) because they’re never together.  A part of me would love it if Emilie just walked into their writing room and said “I’m leaving”………stunning them. They love her, but that’s of little consequence when they don’t show it. Still, Em stayed on LOST and she was poorly used there – I don’t see this happening.

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