Who else is gonna die?

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@AntBee wrote:

That would be great to see Neal be used in helping Hook do something else besides trying to get revenge on Rumple all the time, but I don’t think it will be that easy. He’ll definitely tell Neal what Rumple did to Milah,

I’m not convinced of that. If they did hang out together in Neverland for a couple hundred years, Hook had ample chance to tell him then if he wanted to. If he hasn’t told him by now, I think it’s because he doesn’t want to hurt the kid, so I dunno that he’d just blurt it out in SB.

and I also think that now that Cora is out of the way, he’ll be the one to go after Henry, so it forces the Charmings/Rumple family/Regina to work together at least temporarily since we never really got that when Cora was a threat.

If he wants to keep flirting with Emma, he’d best not try to kill Henry. 😆 I don’t ship CaptainSwan, but they were all so coy about it at Paleyfest, it wouldn’t surprise me if they have a little somethin’ planned there, which wouldn’t be possible if he was out for Henry’s blood. If anyone poses any real threat to Henry’s safety, I think it’s Rumple.

[Keb]

Well, who’s to say that Hook knew who Baelfire was? Bae may well have kept that secret, even if Hook revealed that he knew Rumple or Milah at some point.

But if Hook does find out, oh, he’ll tell Bae. Won’t be quite as sexy as when he told Belle, but it’ll be just as emotional and just as intended to poison any relationship between the hearer and Rumple.

The way I see the Hook-Henry possibilities is that Hook would only endanger Henry if he knew it would hurt Rumple. However, he could easily (as already happened in Manhattan) put Henry in danger from Rumple due to timing or circumstances of another attack. If Rumple thinks that Henry is endangering his life again, he might lash out and do something to Henry. I still think the chance is remote, but Rumple was perfectly willing to exchange Cora’s life for his and he’s still a coward.

Keeper of Belle's Gold magic, sand dollar, cloaks, purple FTL outfit, spell scroll, library key, copy of Romeo and Juliet, and cry-muffling pillow, Rumple's doll, overcoat, and strength, and The Timeline. My spreadsheet: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6r8CySCCWd9R0RUNm4xR3RhMEU/view?usp=sharing

[MatthewPaul]

I think Bae actually doesn’t know that Rumple killed Millah. I think he would have brought it up during his conversation in “Manhattan.” However, I could see Rumple defensively telling Bae that Millah had also abandoned him. Doubt it would be enough for Bae to forgive killing his own mother, though.

[antbee]

@ItachiIshtar wrote:

I think Bae actually doesn’t know that Rumple killed Millah. I think he would have brought it up during his conversation in “Manhattan.” However, I could see Rumple defensively telling Bae that Millah had also abandoned him. Doubt it would be enough for Bae to forgive killing his own mother, though.

Yes, I can see both arguments if Nealfire really is Peter Pan, but I think that it’s part of the whole one step forward, two steps back that will probably happen many times in Rumple’s and Neal’s relationship over the course of the show now.

I knew it would take Rumple dying or almost dying for Neal to begin softening towards his father, but now that’s happened, they need something major to be an obstacle again for them since right now I think it would be too easy for them to reconcile. The Curse and everything that went with it is pretty major, but I think finding out that his father murdered his own mother would be a bigger shock to Neal and hurt him more than any other information could.

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@Keb wrote:

Well, who’s to say that Hook knew who Baelfire was? Bae may well have kept that secret, even if Hook revealed that he knew Rumple or Milah at some point.

True. If he does turn out to be Peter Pan, then he adopted a new name for himself, something not quite as unique as Baelfire, so Hook wouldn’t have been able to identify him by that. Unless someone else in Neverland knew his real name and let it slip.

@ItachiIshtar wrote:

I think Bae actually doesn’t know that Rumple killed Millah. I think he would have brought it up during his conversation in “Manhattan.”

Good point, you’d think that would have been a good way for him to shut Rumple down if he’d known. “You killed my mother, what makes you think I ever wanted to see you again?”

[RumplesGirl]

True. If he does turn out to be Peter Pan, then he adopted a new name for himself, something not quite as unique as Baelfire, so Hook wouldn’t have been able to identify him by that. Unless someone else in Neverland knew his real name and let it slip.

Sentiments like this one make me really excited to see what happens when Hook swaggers back into SB. Neal has seen him but he hasn’t seen Neal. I know he’s all grown up now, but that doesn’t mean Hook won’t recognize him.
If someone did let it slip, my money is on Tink. She betrays Pan in the Disney movie (haven’t actually read the books, sorry!) to Hook because of her jealousy over Wendy. Instead of telling Hook Peter’s location (as in the movie) she could reveal his true identity, then the question is what is Hook’s reaction. Milah did love Bae, and Hook isn’t so much a scoundrel as he wants us to believe. I think he’d care for Bae.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[Keb]

Not only is there the whole “you killed my mother” aspect, but Rumple lied to Bae about where Milah went when Bae was a child, before he was even the Dark One. He told Bae that Milah was dead, though Bae apparently had some doubts even then.

Actually, I think the lie may hurt more than the killing; Bae knows full well what his father was capable of as the Dark One, and since he had already believed his mother dead (and his mother had abandoned him at a fairly young age–5-8 from the kid’s appearance at the time) he may not have been quite as attached to her as he was to his father. It would draw a nice parallel to Henry, too, who was hurt more by the lying that both his mothers did than just about everything else they could have done to him.

Keeper of Belle's Gold magic, sand dollar, cloaks, purple FTL outfit, spell scroll, library key, copy of Romeo and Juliet, and cry-muffling pillow, Rumple's doll, overcoat, and strength, and The Timeline. My spreadsheet: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6r8CySCCWd9R0RUNm4xR3RhMEU/view?usp=sharing

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@RumplesGirl wrote:

True. If he does turn out to be Peter Pan, then he adopted a new name for himself, something not quite as unique as Baelfire, so Hook wouldn’t have been able to identify him by that. Unless someone else in Neverland knew his real name and let it slip.

Sentiments like this one make me really excited to see what happens when Hook swaggers back into SB. Neal has seen him but he hasn’t seen Neal. I know he’s all grown up now, but that doesn’t mean Hook won’t recognize him.

OMG I need to see a conversation between these two ASAP. Even just exchanging looks, no dialogue necessary. The moment those two meet up, a bunch of my theories are gonna be proven true or come crashing down, but either way, I just need to see them interact!

If someone did let it slip, my money is on Tink. She betrays Pan in the Disney movie (haven’t actually read the books, sorry!) to Hook because of her jealousy over Wendy. Instead of telling Hook Peter’s location (as in the movie) she could reveal his true identity,

Yes, my money would be on Tink too. He’s sought council from a fairy before, so may be inclined to divulge info like his real identity to Tink.

@Keb wrote:

Not only is there the whole “you killed my mother” aspect, but Rumple lied to Bae about where Milah went when Bae was a child, before he was even the Dark One. He told Bae that Milah was dead, though Bae apparently had some doubts even then.

Actually, I think the lie may hurt more than the killing;

Good point! Talk about adding insult to injury.

[RumplesGirl]

Keb has a good point. Your Dark One Father killing your mother is pretty terrible; but your Good Man, lovable, humble Father lying to you to hide his shame over his cowardice is pretty bad too.

I wanna go back to something Keb said above about Henry-Hook. Would Hook sink that low? Hook, when talking to Emma, about the Lost Boys didn’t sound like the cold pirate we know from the films/books. He sounded like he had affection for them. I think even Hook would draw a line at hurting an innocent child just to get back at Rumple.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[PriceofMagic]

I think Hook would use Henry against Rumple hence Henry being Rumple’s “undoing”. Based on Rumple’s reactions to Henry so far, since finding out that Henry is his grandson and the boy the seer spoke about, I think Rumple is trying to keep Henry at arm’s length for both their sakes. He’s trying to push Henry away and not care for him. However, ultimately Rumple loves his little family- Belle, Bae and now Henry are part of that family, and he would do anything to protect them.

Henry is going to be really confused over Rumple’s behaviour towards him. He used to get on with Rumple before they found out they were related so he’s going to wonder why his grandfather is suddenly rejecting him.

I think Hook may pull a Lion King. With Hook taking on the role of Scar and Henry being Simba. Rumple would sort of be Mufasa. Hook would put Henry in a position where Rumple would have to save him with the hope that Rumple will be killed in the process.

Similar to a scene like this but minus the stampede.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ye3nuq07vq0

Or perhaps Hook uses Henry to manipulate Bae to get to Rumple in which case Bae may be Simba.

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