Who else is gonna die?

[RumplesGirl]

I think Rumple is trying to keep Henry at arm’s length for both their sakes. He’s trying to push Henry away and not care for him. However, ultimately Rumple loves his little family- Belle, Bae and now Henry are part of that family, and he would do anything to protect them.

I completely agree. The second he realized Henry was his grandson, the only child of his long lost son, it was like “well he’s untouchable now…” But that doesn’t mean he wants to become best friends with Henry, like David has been bonding with Henry. The child still might be his undoing so love him, but from a safe well protected (both psychically and emotionally) distance.

I think Hook may pull a Lion King. With Hook taking on the role of Scar and Henry being Simba. Rumple would sort of be Mufasa. Hook would put Henry in a position where Rumple would have to save him with the hope that Rumple will be killed in the process.

I would love some tongue in cheek reference to the Lion King. And this would be an interesting scenario. But do they really want to make Hook the guy who would do that to a child? I think they really want to redeem Hook (and I think they are going to have to because right now his character is driven by one thing and one thing only and it could get old real fast).

[PriceofMagic]

Hook is not exactly a child friendly guy. He is too focussed on his revenge against Rumple to care about who gets hurt in the crossfire. Henry would just be collateral damage.

All of the characters of Once have something in common with their literary counterparts and you can see how the tales we know could’ve come about even though they are not entirely correct according to the show. For example, Rumple still spins straw into gold and makes deals like he did in the original tale of Rumplestiltskin. The two big things about Hook are that his hand was taken by a crocodile and he is mortal enemies with Peter Pan. Once has already done its twist on Hook losing his hand to a “crocodile” but has not yet covered the Hook/Peter rivalry.

Why would our version of Peter Pan have Hook trying to kill Peter Pan when in “reality” Hook wouldn’t hurt a child?

All magic comes with a price!

Keeper of Felix

[RumplesGirl]

They may not have Hook try to kill Peter Pan. If Neal is in fact NealFire Pan, it’s possible that Hook and he had a good relationship not the one we know from film and books. The feud between Hook and Pan could be very recent. You could theorize (and some are) that Hook was a kind of father figure to Bae who he knew as Peter Pan in Neverland. When Bae (or Hook) finally found out the identity of the other (that Peter is really Milah and Rumple’s son or that Hook is really the pirate Milah ran off with) that could lead to complications in their relationship. Right now, all we now is that Bae and Hook know each other, but we know nothing about their relationship. It would be a major blow to Rumple to learn that the man who keeps trying to kill him raised and cared for his son.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[antbee]

@PriceofMagic wrote:

Hook is not exactly a child friendly guy. He is too focussed on his revenge against Rumple to care about who gets hurt in the crossfire. Henry would just be collateral damage.

I know there’s disagreement here about Hook actually doing this to Henry, but like you, I don’t think that Hook cares who gets hurt as long as it hurts Rumple. Maybe he’ll learn that it’s not doing him any good to want revenge, but since he’s wanted it for so long, I’m not sure I find it believable that he’s going to do anything different. Plus, he may not actually be planning to physically harm Henry, but instead he may have something in mind like just kidnapping him to get Rumple into a trap.

Either way though, I think that something may happen to Henry because of Hook, and this will force the others to have to work together temporarily.

It's possible that Henry runs away again, but given the titles of the last two episodes, I'm guessing that the main characters or some of them have to go to Neverland to get Henry back, and Hook just seems like the most likely person to abduct him and take him there. It would be quite the twist if Tamara ended up doing something like that.

Why would our version of Peter Pan have Hook trying to kill Peter Pan when in “reality” Hook wouldn’t hurt a child?

I think it’s important to remember “The Crocodile” too. While I don’t blame Milah for wanting out of a marriage to someone she didn’t love, and I don’t blame Hook for being the man that she ran off with, he did end up hurting a young child by taking Milah with him and possibly would have left Bae an orphan if Rumple had agreed to fight him. So for me, it’s not out of the realm of possibilities that Hook would hurt a child whether directly or as collateral damage if it meant he would get his revenge on Rumple.

[MysteryKat25]

@RumplesGirl wrote:

They may not have Hook try to kill Peter Pan. If Neal is in fact NealFire Pan, it’s possible that Hook and he had a good relationship not the one we know from film and books. The feud between Hook and Pan could be very recent. You could theorize (and some are) that Hook was a kind of father figure to Bae who he knew as Peter Pan in Neverland. When Bae (or Hook) finally found out the identity of the other (that Peter is really Milah and Rumple’s son or that Hook is really the pirate Milah ran off with) that could lead to complications in their relationship. Right now, all we now is that Bae and Hook know each other, but we know nothing about their relationship. It would be a major blow to Rumple to learn that the man who keeps trying to kill him raised and cared for his son.

Agreed on all counts! All we know right now is very very limited until we see Neverland. They’ve turned other stories on their heads so goodness knows what they’ll do with the Hook – Peter relationship. Was it always bad? Were they once friends?

In Tallahassee Hook spoke with an almost fondness of the Lost Boys. Curious to see how that all plays out. Was he once one himself, then left, grew up, and returned after Milah’s death? So many questions but there was definitely a softness with which he referenced them. Very un-traditional Hook-like. So excited to see that play out eventually (it better be sooner as opposed to later!)

Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.

[PriceofMagic]

Perhaps Neverland is a flashback rather than the characters going to Neverland. You could parallel what happened with Hook and Bae in Neverland to what’s happening with Hook and Bae in Storybrooke. I think Bae may have been a pirate rather than Peter Pan.

Hook really needs another storyline that isn’t about revenge against Rumple or being a love interest for Emma. Unfortunately, he’s probably not going to get that this season and unless he receives it during season 3 then I don’t think his character will last beyond the third season.

All magic comes with a price!

Keeper of Felix

[RumplesGirl]

At Paley fest Adam and Eddy said “we will be going to a new land” which implies an actual moving to another land

I think Neverland will be both a flashback (Hook’s story most likely) and that we’re going there. I can’t see them killing Hook anymore, not after they announced the season finale titles. He’s going to be super important in season three and given Colin’s popularity, I don’t know if they want to risk that.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[ser_dragon]

@Keb wrote:

Not only is there the whole “you killed my mother” aspect, but Rumple lied to Bae about where Milah went when Bae was a child, before he was even the Dark One. He told Bae that Milah was dead, though Bae apparently had some doubts even then.

The thing is, Rumpel believed at the time that Milah would be eventually killed by Hook. He didn’t knew back then that Milah went with Jones willingly. He thought that Hook and his crew will rape and then kill or sell Milah. What do you think? That he would come back to home and say to little Bael “Ok, boy, you mother have been abducted by a bloody pirate and are about to be raped wronged in way you can’t even imagine and then probably killed. Now eat your soup and go to bed”

So it wasn’t a lie. And when Rumpel found out the truth then Bael was already away.

[ser_dragon]

@RumplesGirl wrote:

Keb has a good point. Your Dark One Father killing your mother is pretty terrible; but your Good Man, lovable, humble Father lying to you to hide his shame over his cowardice is pretty bad too.

How is this cowardice i pray tel? Threatening a cripple, taunting him to duel fight while knowing perfectly that he can’t, that he for the love of him and his spouse can’t win this is the real cowardice. Hook spend lot of time accusing Rumpel of cowardice but in fact he is an even bigger coward. I dare you to say that mocking an humiliating a cripple, forcing him to fight isn’t cowardice. And we know now that Hook isn’t even as big as a fighter.

Who is the coward now.

[RumplesGirl]

I think that is an excellent point, and I, personally, dont see Rumple as a coward. He thinks he is because that idea has been reinforced into him by society and Milah in particular. If you continually tell a person they are a coward, eventually they will probably start to believe it, especially if they are predisposed to believe it (Rumple was haunted by his father’s actions as a coward and it followed him all his life). I think it actually took a lot of bravery to run away from the battlefield, for instance and to go to a Pirate ship and ask for his wife back. But Rumple thinks he is a coward and he doesn’t want his son to know that. That’s why the “kiss my boot” is such a terrible moment for him. It reinforces that he is a coward not only to himself but to Bae. Rumple will do many things to avoid being seen as a coward by anyone. So while we as viewers maybe don’t see him as a coward, he himself does. So he lied to Bae because he didn’t want his son to see him in that light.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

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