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LilRed, those are seriously amazing! I agree with most of your thoughts. The green bandage could simply be where the special effects team will use CGI green-screen effects to make Dr. Whale look like he just lost a limb. Maybe he’s keeping his detached limb on ice in the cooler until Mr. Gold can use magic to reattach it (hence Robert Carlyle being in the shots). Also, the blood stains on Dr. Whale’s shirt, and the fact he’ missing a sleeve are indications he’s just suffered a trauma.
Could this go along with the Peter Pan theory? Could Hook have finally gotten his revenge for when Peter fed Hook’s hand to crocodile all those years ago in Neverland?
Hair-brained moment: I wonder if Dr. Whale is both Peter Pan and the crocodile who ate Captain Hook’s hand 😮 (Only half serious, though Red was also the wolf, so not impossible). Oh, now that’s just a wee bit silly, as Bobby Carlyle might say. 😆
Remember the earlier picture of him with reptile scales of sorts – although that could be a bogus picture, and yet, maybe Lil’Red’s idea about scales isn’t so crazy after all.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
Yep, that’s totally his arm in that cooler. He seems to be in alright condition otherwise though if he’s able to wander around town carrying his own detached limb in a big box.
@slurpeez108 wrote:
Dr. Whale has:
-an inflated sense of self
-Classic “god complex”
-Frames himself as a victor in all conflicts
-Feels persecuted and misunderstood – paranoia?I could see those fitting with the Merlin theory, especially the ones about the God complex, (understandable for someone powerful who fixes people’s problems) and feeling persecuted, (though I guess the practice of magic is more accepted in this FTL universe than it was in our world during the time of Arthurian legend).
I’d rule out Peter Pan just because I’m sure I’ve seen it suggested in a few different places for a while, and they said that he’s someone they haven’t seen guessed so far.
@Lil’Red wrote:
Never mind scales. Other picture makes it clear that it IS the whole arm.
Do we know any characters that are missing a limb or have body parts falling off?
I’d suggested the cheshire cat as a crackpot theory but it seems unlikely.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixSeems to me that they are saying that Dr. Whale will be a beast of some sort. Taking into account that they said his FT identity will be on par with Rumple’s Beast and Ruby’s Wolf, it leads one to believe that Dr. Whale will be a beast/monster of some sort. Peter Pan was a youth not an adult so that rules out that theory. I’m going with Dr. Frankenstein at this stage of the game as there are so many clues leading towards it. K&H said that Marvel Comic book characters could come into play at some point. So, let’s start with the bouquet of flowers Dr. Whale sent to MM. They were wrapped in purple tissue tied with yellow ribbon. A Marvel Comic book shows a purple Frankenstein freeing himself of yellow tape Dr. Frankenstein bound him in. K&H also said, in reference to the Red Handed episode, that Dr. Whale couldn’t be tied down. Well neither could Frankenstein apparently, either in the comic book or in the movies as he always broke free of his straps. James WHALE directed the 1931 movie Frankenstein, starring Boris Karloff as the monster. James Whale was also portrayed in the 1988 movie “Gods & Monsters”. His critics said in doing the movie Frankenstein, we could interpret this as “his feeling that he was a misunderstood outsider, a lonely monster”. Both Dr. Frankenstein & the monster felt persecuted and misunderstood (Archie’s last entry for Dr. Whale). Dr. Frankenstein’s famous quote in the movie “Oh, in the name of God! Now I know what it feels like to be God!” (God complex). In Dr. Whale’s dating clip he talks about listening to the best of Sting. Sting did a remake of James Whale’s Bride of Frankenstein in 1985 called The Bride. In this movie, the monster’s name was Viktor. Note that Dr. Frankenstein’s first name in Mary Shelley’s novel was also Victor (framed as victor of all conflicts). Dr. Whale also talks about sparks flying in his dating video and a single carnation. We all know sparks flew in creating Frankenstein via electricity. Boris Karloff starred in 2 episodes of a ’50’s series called Climax. One episode was titled “The White Carnation”. We already have an old horror movie werewolf (Ruby) so why not Dr. Frankenstein or the monster? There is a connection between the two as they show up together in many films, thus Dr. Whale’s interest in Ruby. A synonym for whale is monster. On Gold’s desk there is a piece of paper with the name Schumacher written on it. A friend of mine, Michelle Straub, noted that Thomas Schumacher is Disney’s Theatrical Productions President and just announced that “Young Frankenstein” is going to be ‘Off – Broadway”. She has also recently discovered that Damon Lindelof – consultant for OUAT and co-creator of LOST with Kitsis and Horowitz (OUAT creators) is the writer/producer of the movie “Prometheus” (released 6/8/12). Mary Shelly’s novel is actually titled “Frankenstein or the Modern Prometheus” So all the characteristics in Archie’s diary seem to point in this direction. Now we have photos of something occurring with Dr. Whale’s arm or possibly him having his arm torn off. Does he have his arm in the cooler so he can surgically sew it back on? Lots to ponder. Oh, let’s not forget that his identity reveal will be on the Halloween episode. Werewolves & Frankie! Love it!
Keeper of Pandora's Box & The Yellow Brick Road.
TheGoldenKey you are one smart human being! Now I’ll think I’ll be dissapointed if he is nor Dr. Frankenstein.
Thanks Marilou 🙂 I’ve had help with this theory via my friend Michelle Straub. Wondered about it after the dating video and Archie’s Files, in The Untold Stories game, just gave it more substance. Huge old horror flick fan so that helped. I’ve been wrong before and still open to other theories but going with this one for the time being.
Keeper of Pandora's Box & The Yellow Brick Road.
That’s a pretty comprehensive case you’ve got there, TheGoldenKey! I never would have considered Frankie as an option, but there are a whole lot of little clues in there that would fit.
My mind is blown, TheGoldenKey! That has to be the best evidence for Whale’s identity and the most interesting! I now want to re-watch the Storybrooke Singles interview to just hear him say, “the sparks will fly” again. Could never come up with anything explaining the Sting reference (and had even been ready to dismiss it as an actor quirk..) but there it is: actually making sense!
Oh, let’s not forget that his identity reveal will be on the Halloween episode.
Can’t wait for the episode’s title to be released! Kind of hoping for a Young Frankenstein reference. Maybe ‘Sweet Mystery of Life’?
TheGoldenKey wrote: Now we have photos of something occurring with Dr. Whale’s arm or possibly him having his arm torn off. Does he have his arm in the cooler so he can surgically sew it back on? Lots to ponder. Oh, let’s not forget that his identity reveal will be on the Halloween episode. Werewolves & Frankie! Love it!
Wow, this is a really well-thought-out theory! I really like it, and it would certainly be a deviation from what I think of as a classic fairy-tale, since it’s more like science fiction or horror. I agree that it’s also a really good fit for a Halloween episode. Makes more sense than him being Peter Pan.
Just to clarify, does your theory mean that Dr. Whale is both Dr. Frankenstein and the monster he created? After all, Ruby is both Little Red Riding Hood and the Big Bad Wolf. If he is also the monster, it might explain the picture above of Dr. Whale with pale monster-like arms and also why his limbs might be falling off in SB now that magic has come. The picture of Dr. Whale with monster-arms fits the description of Mary Shelly’s novel Frankenstein. At first I thought it was just a bogus picture that David Anders posted to fool us all, but now I think it’s a leaked photo of him getting ready for his FTL back-story as the monster of Dr. Frankenstein.
From wikipedia:
The details of the monster’s construction are left ambiguous, but [Dr.] Frankenstein finds himself forced to make the creature roughly eight feet tall because of the difficulty in replicating the minute parts of the human body. His creation, which he has hoped would be beautiful, is instead hideous, with dull yellow eyes, and a withered, translucent, yellowish skin that barely conceals the muscular system and blood vessels. After bringing his creation to life, Victor is repulsed by his work: he flees the room, and the monster disappears. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankenstein
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