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Yes you’re right she does say that in Miller’s Daughter. However 1) Cora could be lying 2) Cora could be wrong 3) The writers changed their minds
I think it’s probably 2). Seemed more like she was theorizing. I mean, prior to then, had any Dark One died outside of the typical getting stabbed with the dagger method? Rumple was only dying otherwise because he was mortal when he got attacked by Hook, since he was outside Storybrooke limits with no magic.
This might shock some people but I tend to lean towards #2 instead of #3. We have no idea how Cora even learned about the dagger and what it does. It does sound like she’s making it up out of thin air in order to get Regina to go along with the overall plan.
[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Yes you’re right she does say that in Miller’s Daughter. However 1) Cora could be lying 2) Cora could be wrong 3) The writers changed their minds
I think it’s probably 2). Seemed more like she was theorizing. I mean, prior to then, had any Dark One died outside of the typical getting stabbed with the dagger method? Rumple was only dying otherwise because he was mortal when he got attacked by Hook, since he was outside Storybrooke limits with no magic.
Which makes me wonder, theoretically speaking, what would happen to the whole DO lineage/DO curse if any given DO stabbed themselves with the dagger? I’m sure this has been asked before, but it seems like a bit of a hole in OUAT’s world building. If being DO is such a lousy job, why hasn’t anyone put an end to it? I mean…Zoso essentially committed suicide by Rumple, so it’s not the whole morality of taking one’s life that’s at stake here.
Which makes me wonder, theoretically speaking, what would happen to the whole DO lineage/DO curse if any given DO stabbed themselves with the dagger?
Rump stabbed himself with it and died. Zoso was enslaved and didn’t have the dagger in his possession at the point where he had Rumple kill him. When he did have it, I assume that he, like Rump, wanted to keep the power but the not enslavement bit so he went after the Sorcerer’s hat. So my answer as to why Zoso didn’t stab himself with it was A) he wasn’t suicidal when he had the dagger and then B) When he was suicidal he didn’t have the dagger to do it himself and so had rump do it.
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I know that’s how it played out on screen and how A and E explain it, but I’ve said this once and I’ll say it again: that is physically impossible. The dagger is not long enough to pass through one entire human being, out the other side, and into Rumple’s chest cavity the point that it would enter his heart.
The human body is not 2-D, like a piece of paper. It’s very much a 3-D object and quite a cavernous one at that. To pass through the back and out the front would take a dagger longer than the DO’s dagger. The back does not simply yield to the front. There is muscle and tissue and organs not to mention just SPACE.
When he did have it, I assume that he, like Rump, wanted to keep the power but the not enslavement bit so he went after the Sorcerer’s hat.
Yes until he decided that death was a better option. We don’t know how soon or how much later the events of 404 are before 108. Was it another hundred years? Fifty? 10? 40000?
So my answer as to why Zoso didn’t stab himself with it was A) he wasn’t suicidal when he had the dagger and then B) When he was suicidal he didn’t have the dagger to do it himself and so had rump do it.
Pretty much. He also needed someone to steal the dagger because he was forbidden to take it; the Duke had control over him via the dagger.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Which makes me wonder, theoretically speaking, what would happen to the whole DO lineage/DO curse if any given DO stabbed themselves with the dagger?
Rump stabbed himself with it and died. Zoso was enslaved and didn’t have the dagger in his possession at the point where he had Rumple kill him. When he did have it, I assume that he, like Rump, wanted to keep the power but the not enslavement bit so he went after the Sorcerer’s hat. So my answer as to why Zoso didn’t stab himself with it was A) he wasn’t suicidal when he had the dagger and then B) When he was suicidal he didn’t have the dagger to do it himself and so had rump do it.
Wait, yes, but he stabbed himself via Pan. My point is, Pan introduces an unknown variable. Did the curse transfer to him, however briefly? And then back to Rumple, however briefly? Unless, of course, Cora was right, Rumple’s curse lifted and disintegrated them both (was that A&E’s explanation?). Alternatively, if self-stabbing doesn’t kill the DO, and nothing happens, it could also explain Zoso’s manipulations. Seriously, if Zoso could manipulate Rumple to get the dagger and then get himself stabbed, couldn’t he cut out the middle man and get the dagger himself? I mean, he had time to wander around pretending to be a beggar, it’s not like he was on the clock 24/7. And he seemed like a clever fellow… Anyway, there are two scenarios: DO curse broken because DO dies (according to Cora, it poofs out of existence) or DO curse broken because of TLK… in that case, it apparently goes back into the dagger, which then goes ballistic. Ugh. This makes my head hurt. I’m probably missing something obvious here.
Did the curse transfer to him, however briefly? And then back to Rumple, however briefly?
This is how Screwball Ninja rationalized it, and I think how it was supposed to work?
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<li>Rumple stabs himself with his enchanted dagger</li>
<li>The Dark One curse is supposed to transfer from the original host to the person who stabbed him … but in this case it’s the same person</li>
<li>The Dark One curse tries to transfer back into Rumple, but Rumple is dying from the whole stabby-heart thing</li>
<li>Oh no, says the Dark One curse, and disappears in a puff of “404 DARK ONE HOST NOT FOUND” logic</li>
<li>Rumple and Pan’s dead body are transferred … somewhere</li>
</ul>"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Rumple and Pan’s dead body are transferred … somewhere</li>
Chances are, their bodies just magically exploded, and there were no remains.
Rumple and Pan’s dead body are transferred … somewhere</li>
Chances are, their bodies just magically exploded, and there were no remains.
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