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I made another comparison shot of the costume since there’s now some pictures on decent quality (And I found two that are pretty much the exact same angle). It’s definitely, 100% the same coat!
But WHY? I mean that’s really my big question. WHY is Zelena pretending to be Marian? And not only that, but manages to play her so convincingly that her Marian’s own HUSBAND never suspects that his wife is not his wife.
This is so sloppy and contrived and tawdry. It’s the angst of an affair but with none of the emotional repercussions and fallout. It’s a way to brush off any questions in morality and letting everyone off free. You know, because this show does continuous human emotions SO WELL. It doesn’t matter that Marian wasn’t really Marian in the end–Robin thought she was but now everyone gets to wipe their hands of the seriously nasty ethics that played out in 4A cause Marian was Cora’d. I really hate this development.
[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"So if Mal and Lilly are mother and daughter, could the secret Snow and Charming are hiding have to do with Lilly?
What if snow and charming did something that resulted in sending Lilly to a Land Without Magic, separating a mother (Mal) from her child. THis could also explain snow’s nightmares.
Since Snow experienced the same thing with Emma, she’d want to hide the fact that she and charming did this to another mother.
Maybe they did it for heroic reasons, but it’s still really dark to separate a mother and child, something snow knows all to well.
I made another comparison shot of the costume since there’s now some pictures on decent quality (And I found two that are pretty much the exact same angle). It’s definitely, 100% the same coat!
But WHY? I mean that’s really my big question. WHY is Zelena pretending to be Marian? And not only that, but manages to play her so convincingly that her Marian’s own HUSBAND never suspects that his wife is not his wife. This is so sloppy and contrived and tawdry. It’s the angst of an affair but with none of the emotional repercussions and fallout. It’s a way to brush off any questions in morality and letting everyone off free. You know, because this show does continuous human emotions SO WELL. It doesn’t matter that Marian wasn’t really Marian in the end–Robin thought she was but now everyone gets to wipe their hands of the seriously nasty ethics that played out in 4A cause Marian was Cora’d. I really hate this development.
I kind of buy into it. There are a couple of options I guess as to why she is posing as Marian and for how long. I’m very interested to see how they explain it – and how the others find out. The why could be anything from it being the only way Zelena could save her own life to screwing up Regina’s even more in some twisted game. She’s always wanted what Regina had – and well, in the end, Regina had Robin.
Also, you could argue that Robin did sense something was off – since he no longer loves her as his wife – BECAUSE SHE ISN’T.
Lastly, I’m so sick of this whole ethics discussion. Zelena or not. When you believe your wife is dead, it’s natural to move on. Having her time travel back through a magic portal is extreme mitigating circumstances, and anyone who cannot see that, well. I’d love to see how they themselves would react … You cannot just do a rewind. It’s against human nature.
Couldn’t it just be that Zelena’s magic was hiding in Marian, and someone does something to release Zelena’s magic and reunite it with her body? Perhaps they’re wearing the same coat because when Zelena comes back the magic duplicates Marian’s clothes in order to clothe Zelena? Meaning that both women are back in SB…
I’d hate for them to kill off Marian, even if it is to bring back Zelena.
"so there’s this new show….."
"there’s lesbians in it"Also, you could argue that Robin did sense something was off – since he no longer loves her as his wife – BECAUSE SHE ISN’T.
And yet he never explored that. He never voiced it. It never said, “I think there is something fishy here because I feel different about her…”
Lastly, I’m so sick of this whole ethics discussion. Zelena or not. When you believe your wife is dead, it’s natural to move on. Having her time travel back through a magic portal is extreme mitigating circumstances, and anyone who cannot see that, well. I’d love to see how they themselves would react … You cannot just do a rewind. It’s against human nature.
I don’t disagree that it’s natural to move on. Of course it is. But then he turns around and says that he is going to stay with Marian because of vows. Fine. That’s the choice he made. Then as soon as she is magically removed (frozen) he goes back to Regina and says screw my vows. No. He should have had a frank and open discussion with Marian. from the start He should have sat her down and explained that he was in love with another woman because moving on is natural. But that’s not the choice he made. He chose to present himself as a man of honor and then did a total about face when Marian was down for the count and flat out said “screw honor, I’d rather screw you (Regina).”
It is fine to be torn between the wife of the past that he thought was dead and the woman he currently loves but that does NOT mean he needed to crawl into bed with Regina.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Also, you could argue that Robin did sense something was off – since he no longer loves her as his wife – BECAUSE SHE ISN’T.
And yet he never explored that. He never voiced it. It never said, “I think there is something fishy here because I feel different about her…”
Lastly, I’m so sick of this whole ethics discussion. Zelena or not. When you believe your wife is dead, it’s natural to move on. Having her time travel back through a magic portal is extreme mitigating circumstances, and anyone who cannot see that, well. I’d love to see how they themselves would react … You cannot just do a rewind. It’s against human nature.
I don’t disagree that it’s natural to move on. Of course it is. But then he turns around and says that he is going to stay with Marian because of vows. Fine. That’s the choice he made. Then as soon as she is magically removed (frozen) he goes back to Regina and says screw my vows. No. He should have had a frank and open discussion with Marian. from the start He should have sat her down and explained that he was in love with another woman because moving on is natural. But that’s not the choice he made. He chose to present himself as a man of honor and then did a total about face when Marian was down for the count and flat out said “screw honor, I’d rather screw you (Regina).” It is fine to be torn between the wife of the past that he thought was dead and the woman he currently loves but that does NOT mean he needed to crawl into bed with Regina.
Of course he should have … But man is a flawed creature and if everything was treated as an after-school special, we would be bored out of our minds. Robin tried to do the right thing -but couldn’t stay the course because he loves Regina. As I see it, the writers are also trying to portray how it can be hard to stay the course despite your best intentions – and also, rough edges make Robin and Regina a good match.
I think the whole “Marian is really Zelena” idea came about because the audience had major issues with OQ and the writers are trying to promote OQ as “soulmates” so they’re trying to readdress the Marian issue with “It was Zelena all along” so the audience stop giving them a hard time.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixWell, this seems like a bizarre development (even if some people did call it). But I’m not gonna judge ’til I see how it’s done.
So if Mal and Lilly are mother and daughter, could the secret Snow and Charming are hiding have to do with Lilly?
Yes. I think the secret has to do with a prophesy concerning both Lily and Emma. I think Snow and David knew about a prophesy that their daughter not only would be the savior, but that she would have the heart with the greatest potential for darkness, and that she would be tempted towards evil by the anti-savior, who is Lily.
I think the whole “Marian is really Zelena” idea came about because the audience had major issues with OQ and the writers are trying to promote OQ as “soulmates” so they’re trying to readdress the Marian issue with “It was Zelena all along” so the audience stop giving them a hard time.
I got that same impression. This entire story arc was just messy, even if the writers did plan it in S3. Bringing back “Marian” was just never going to be a good idea, no matter what.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
I don’t know why, but I feel in my bones that the writers had the Marian-is-really-Zelena thing planned since season 3. I don’t give the writers a lot of credit these days, but in this case, I think it was actually planned.
So if this is true, there could be major repercussions depending on how Zelena accomplished this. My theories:
1. The Zelena disguised as Marian is a past version of Zelena, who was brought to the future by Emma and Hook. If this is true, then the timeline would change unless Zelena was sent back to her present (in past Enchanted Forest). If this Zelena stays in the future (the present for us) in Storybrooke, then nothing in season 3B would’ve ever happened. So, Neal would still be alive – having said that, i think that make this the most least likely possibility. Dead is dead… if your name is Neal/Baelfire.
2. The green smoke (Zelena’s magic/soul released after Rumple kills her) that opens the time portal did more than just open the time portal. This entity of green smoke traveled with Emma and Hook back in time to the Enchanted Forest. There, it sought out Marian and inhabited her body to deprive Regina of her happy ending – Robin Hood. If Z were a jelly girl, she’d have killed Robin, but this green girl is envious, so she wants that happy ending for herself. After all, Z wants Regina’s life because she feels it’s rightfully hers.
When we first meet Robin Hood and Marian in season 2’s “Lacey,” Marian is sick. I can’t help but wonder if the green smoke entity made Marian sick when it inhabited her body. Robin went looking for a magical cure, but what he did with the wand gave Zelena full control of Marian’s body.
Also, in this scenario, Zelena would still be without her magic. After losing the amulet that Glinda gave her, she lost her magic. So she (the green smoke entity) literally trapped herself in Marian’s body with no way out. This is why Zelena still looked like Marian when she left Storybrooke.
I can’t help but wonder too, if maybe this green smoke entity inhabited Marian’s dead body after whatever happened that Robin blames himself for.
3. Zelena and the Book of Records: When Zelena died by Rumple’s hand, a past version of herself read it in the Book of Records. Maybe once Regina changed and used light magic, she changed her fate/found a new path, which was also became what was written in the Book of Records. Zelena (from the past) then formulated a new plan to get to Regina through Robin. Maybe Zelena killed Marian (in past enchanted forest) and took over her body.
THis would go against LOST’s #1 rule of time travel: Whatever happened, happened. However, this season is somewhat about changing your story. As Regina works hard to be a good person, we see a page from the book that never existed, so maybe the past isn’t set in stone. (As for me, i prefer Whatever happened, happened.)
Maybe all of these theories are off, but i like speculating.
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