Who Is Filming Now? (Season 4) PART 2

[MatthewPaul]

I actually do think that they weren’t lying about this Zelena subplot being planned since the end of Season 3, because as I said before, quite a few people (including myself) were suspicious of the way Zelena “died”, and something felt off about the way things played out with Marian in the finale. Why have Rumple turn Zelena into a doll and have her crumble to dust, instead of just crushing her heart or some other manner of killing her? Why did Marian’s apparent original death via execution by Regina not quite match up with the way Robin described Marian’s death back in “Witch Hunt”? If they planned it out properly, though, is what’s up for debate. A lot of the plot issues mentioned could be oversights, or we’re thinking about a lot of this way more than the writers did. At the same time, they wouldn’t have wanted to make the fake Marian twist look too obvious earlier on. For example, they weren’t going to show Marian/Zelena’s heart covered with black spots, since that would have been a dead giveaway. Nor are the visual effects team consistent with hearts and black spots to begin with (ex. Hook’s heart not having any).

It’s clear they wanted this Marian thing as just a temporary obstacle for Outlaw Queen, because prior to this it was smooth sailing once Regina and Robin accepted their feelings for one another. So they thought Marian suddenly coming back from the dead thanks to time travel would be just the type of angst Outlaw Queen needed. The idea of a long lost dead loved one returning when the other has already moved on with someone else was juicy for the writers, but annoying for us as the viewers. Either way you look at it (whether it was planned or not), this plot twist is their convenient way out of this mess. Oh Regina never really killed Marian in either timeline (watch this happen), Robin never technically committed adultery, nor was Robin able to express real feelings for Marian since she was a fake all along, etc.

[PanTheMan]

I actually do think that they weren’t lying about this Zelena subplot being planned since the end of Season 3, because as I said before, quite a few people (including myself) were suspicious of the way Zelena “died”, and something felt off about the way things played out with Marian in the finale. Why have Rumple turn Zelena into a doll and have her crumble to dust, instead of just crushing her heart or some other manner of killing her? Why did Marian’s apparent original death via execution by Regina not quite match up with the way Robin described Marian’s death back in “Witch Hunt”? If they planned it out properly, though, is what’s up for debate. A lot of the plot issues mentioned could be oversights, or we’re thinking about a lot of this way more than the writers did. At the same time, they wouldn’t have wanted to make the fake Marian twist look too obvious earlier on. For example, they weren’t going to show Marian/Zelena’s heart covered with black spots, since that would have been a dead giveaway. Nor are the visual effects team consistent with hearts and black spots to begin with (ex. Hook’s heart not having any). It’s clear they wanted this Marian thing as just a temporary obstacle for Outlaw Queen, because prior to this it was smooth sailing once Regina and Robin accepted their feelings for one another. So they thought Marian suddenly coming back from the dead thanks to time travel would be just the type of angst Outlaw Queen needed. The idea of a long lost dead loved one returning when the other has already moved on with someone else was juicy for the writers, but annoying for us as the viewers. Either way you look at it (whether it was planned or not), this plot twist is their convenient way out of this mess. Oh Regina never really killed Marian is either timeline (watch this happen), Robin never technically committed adultery, nor was Robin able to express real feelings for Marian since she was a fake all along, etc.

 

Agreed. Plus, if Zelena doesn’t make a reappearance, our characters would never know that Rumple killed her. We’re still waiting for that moment everyone, especially Belle, discovers the truth, which makes me think that Zelena returning as Marian was their plan all along.

[RumplesGirl]

I sorta lean with Matt that they might have been planning this from the start of their Oz arc idea. But that doesn’t mean that, subjectively, it’s a good story or that some viewers aren’t going to see it as a way to quickly clean up the ‘mess” made last season with the love triangle/OQ drama

And there is one aspect of this that no one has pointed out, so I’ll do it : this is another disturbing treatment of a POC of their show. Like Lancelot, Marian (a POC) is actually secretly a (evil) white woman.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[MatthewPaul]

Source: http://katmtan.tumblr.com/post/112705968942/does-this-photo-have-to-do-with-the-whole-snowing

Interesting development going on between Lily and Snowing, if she really is Mal’s daughter. Could Snowing’s secret really tie in with her?

[WickedRegal]

THIS IS TOO PRECIOUS OF A SCENE NOT TO POST!

– Bex giving out candy to fans, and Lana, Sean, & Colin interrupting her!

 

"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor

[darkones1fan]

I sorta lean with Matt that they might have been planning this from the start of their Oz arc idea. But that doesn’t mean that, subjectively, it’s a good story or that some viewers aren’t going to see it as a way to quickly clean up the ‘mess” made last season with the love triangle/OQ drama And there is one aspect of this that no one has pointed out, so I’ll do it : this is another disturbing treatment of a POC of their show. Like Lancelot, Marian (a POC) is actually secretly a (evil) white woman.

 

I_I…..Oh…..Um…..*Cough*….That…embarrassing .

[RumplesGirl]

THIS IS TOO PRECIOUS OF A SCENE NOT TO POST! – Bex giving out candy to fans, and Lana, Sean, & Colin interrupting her!

that is rather cute 🙂

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[PriceofMagic]

Agreed. Plus, if Zelena doesn’t make a reappearance, our characters would never know that Rumple killed her. We’re still waiting for that moment everyone, especially Belle, discovers the truth, which makes me think that Zelena returning as Marian was their plan all along.

Whilst I am sort of looking forward to Zelena’s return, I would be quite annoyed if all the other characters give Rumple a hard time for killing Zelena especially as none of them gave a damn that she died. They didn’t miss her, they were quite happy for her not to be around, so whilst Rumple did do wrong by killing her, it would be completely hypocritical for the likes of Snowing to turn around and berate him.

Also it’s irritating how Rumple is the only one to suffer for his misdeeds whilst other people’s bad deeds get whitewashed or trivialised.

I sorta lean with Matt that they might have been planning this from the start of their Oz arc idea. But that doesn’t mean that, subjectively, it’s a good story or that some viewers aren’t going to see it as a way to quickly clean up the ‘mess” made last season with the love triangle/OQ drama

And there is one aspect of this that no one has pointed out, so I’ll do it : this is another disturbing treatment of a POC of their show. Like Lancelot, Marian (a POC) is actually secretly a (evil) white woman.

Marian being Zelena would actually clear up some of the issues surrounding OQ unfortunately. Thing is though, if this was planned all along, why didn’t the writers give “Marian” more screen time and flesh her out so that the audience would actually care for her then be doubly shocked that she was secretly Zelena all along. Instead Marian was just an obstacle. It is kind of disturbing how POC are never around for more than a few episodes at most.

Some pics of EdR filming

All magic comes with a price!

Keeper of Felix

[MatthewPaul]

Marian being Zelena would actually clear up some of the issues surrounding OQ unfortunately. Thing is though, if this was planned all along, why didn’t the writers give “Marian” more screen time and flesh her out so that the audience would actually care for her then be doubly shocked that she was secretly Zelena all along. Instead Marian was just an obstacle. It is kind of disturbing how POC are never around for more than a few episodes at most.

There’s actually a real life explanation for Marian’s lack of screen time in 4A. Christie Laing was busy filming for the Lifetime TV series called “Un-Real” during the same time period. So the whole Marian as a Popsicle subplot was likely written as around Christie’s scheduling conflict.

[MatthewPaul]

Whilst I am sort of looking forward to Zelena’s return, I would be quite annoyed if all the other characters give Rumple a hard time for killing Zelena especially as none of them gave a damn that she died. They didn’t miss her, they were quite happy for her not to be around, so whilst Rumple did do wrong by killing her, it would be completely hypocritical for the likes of Snowing to turn around and berate him.

Belle would be annoyed that this was yet another secret Rumple was hiding behind her back, especially when Belle blatantly told Rumple NOT to go after Zelena during Rumple’s freaking proposal. Regina would also be annoyed because she wanted to give her sister a second chance, and Rumple tried to ruin that. Zelena might have done terrible things, but so did Regina, and Regina still considers Zelena family. There was even a deleted line of Regina telling her “it’s nice to have family in town” during their last conversation. Whether Zelena killed Neal or not, two wrongs do NOT make a right. Rumple wasn’t justified in killing out of revenge, especially when that would be the very last thing Neal would have wanted. And Zelena was POWERLESS at that point.

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