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[adrotate group="5"]I’m assuming Robin’s alleged death will be important and will affect the story, especially Regina’s.
If we hadn’t seen, in the past, deaths that were totally unimportant and did not affect the story of characters, then I’d agree that this is a fair assumption. Death in narrative can absolutely mean something. It can have weight and power and drive storyline for a long time. However, that’s not what we see in OUAT a fair amount of the time. I’m not even just talking about Neal’s death. Many deaths get reflected upon for maybe one episode (and even, maybe only a fraction of that episode) and then the story tends to forget how death impacts people because shiny shiny plot. If Robin is dying (and goodness knows it looks that way now) then I have serious reservations that the show will “make it count” as it were.
Twenty cookies we get a time skip for Season 6 where Regina and Zelena are suddenly best friends, and over Robin’s death, raising Roland and Baby Greenbean together. Emma and Hook will more than likely be engaged, Rumbelle will be stronger than ever, probably raising their new son, and Snowing will be happily raising Snowflake. Then that’s when our Season 6 Villain arrives, throwing a wrench in everyone’s happiness.
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I don’t think Robin’s potential death would have any real payoff except to send Regina spiraling back into villainy, (much the way Neal’s death served to return Rumple to his villain status after he’d striven so hard to save everyone form Peter Pan). I don’t find that kind of character regression very interesting. If the main reason to kill off Robin (assuming he dies) is just to send Regina back over the edge or to make her suffer, it sends a terrible message that characters who are essentially good parents aren’t worth keeping around.
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If the main reason to kill off Robin (assuming he dies) is just to send Regina back over the edge or to make her suffer, it sends a terrible message that characters who are essentially good parents aren’t worth keeping around.
This. Also, that a person is only good for the sake of their significant other. I do have this bad feeling that they are going to use this to send Regina down the repetitive rabbit hole they’ve got Rumple stuck in. Sure, it’ll probably resolve itself by the end of the series, but it’s just horrible narrative strategy. But they’ve tended towards it with Rumple, and I’ve no reason to think they won’t use it with Regina. The drama would be whether she goes as “deep into evil” as she did over Daniel’s death — it would make a natural parallel. Anyway, I hate the idea of Robin dying — sure, he doesn’t really stand-out, but he’s also one of the least objectionable main characters on OUAT at the moment.
If the main reason to kill off Robin (assuming he dies) is just to send Regina back over the edge or to make her suffer, it sends a terrible message that characters who are essentially good parents aren’t worth keeping around.
This. Also, that a person is only good for the sake of their significant other. I do have this bad feeling that they are going to use this to send Regina down the repetitive rabbit hole they’ve got Rumple stuck in. Sure, it’ll probably resolve itself by the end of the series, but it’s just horrible narrative strategy. But they’ve tended towards it with Rumple, and I’ve no reason to think they won’t use it with Regina. The drama would be whether she goes as “deep into evil” as she did over Daniel’s death — it would make a natural parallel. Anyway, I hate the idea of Robin dying — sure, he doesn’t really stand-out, but he’s also one of the least objectionable main characters on OUAT at the moment.
I really, really, really don’t want Robin to die. But if it does happen, I don’t think they’ll use it to turn Regina evil again. She has come to far for that and has regretted her past actions and learned from them. She will be heartbroken, and I’m so sick of seeing her suffer. I’m clinging on the the hope that Robin won’t die, but I know it looks that way at this point – and I just hate it.
I don’t think Robin’s potential death would have any real payoff except to send Regina spiraling back into villainy, (much the way Neal’s death served to return Rumple to his villain status after he’d striven so hard to save everyone form Peter Pan). I don’t find that kind of character regression very interesting. If the main reason to kill off Robin (assuming he dies) is just to send Regina back over the edge or to make her suffer, it sends a terrible message that characters who are essentially good parents aren’t worth keeping around.
Agree with you about Regina, but not about Rumple, after 315, everyone simply pretended that Neal never existed, except for the once in a while epis where they need to bait Neal and SF fans,the thing is on those epis Neal was used as a link to Emma and lately to Henry. Was never seen or mention on interviews that Rumple became evil bc of Neal’s death, is canon on the show and interviews that they say Rumple just wanted power the same way they made rumple retcon why he hurt himself, the been trying to erase Neal from Rumple life. But I do see them using Robin for Regina with the Sq bait, by making Emma be in Regina side, trying so save her from becoming evil, blablabla. But since they can change ideas maybe Robin doesn’t end dying and this is Neal s2 mix with Archie storyline all over again.
But in the end what we have are confusing filming spoilers, bc the fact they are filming 3 episodes at same time, makes a little hard to try to make any theories or even separate epi spoilers bc in the end we don’t know which spoiler is from that epi.
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I don’t find that kind of character regression very interesting. If the main reason to kill off Robin (assuming he dies) is just to send Regina back over the edge or to make her suffer, it sends a terrible message that characters who are essentially good parents aren’t worth keeping around.
I just feel like you could say that about any good character who dies. You can take any good quality they bring and say that the writers clearly must not value that quality because they are killing them off. In this case, a good father. How do these writers kill any “good” characters without people potentially overthinking it and making it a personal thing about what the writer’s believe or that there is some underlying message?
Robin is the most boring person on this show. Period. And to me, it isn’t close. I never bought that he was Regina’s true love, regardless about what Tink said and showed her. I never found their chemistry to be all that amazing and the man is useless when it comes to fighting because everyone else is stronger than him so it’s hard to use him. And his backstory ain’t that interesting either. I am very happy to potentially see him go, however I am torn because Regina is like one of my favorite characters and this is going to crush her. But I know Lana is going to do an amazing job with it, and I’m excited to see that. And I think as long as the show doesn’t just forget Robin ever existed, this will be totally fine.
I don’t think this is going to spiral Regina down an evil path again. That I don’t want to see. I’m excited to see if Regina finds someone else before the show is over. Or even better, perhaps the message is that true love can be found in many different ways and Regina does not need a man to have her happy ending. Perhaps her happy ending was here the whole time. Perhaps it’s simply having her son, Henry, and now adding Roland, and potentially putting issues aside and making amends with her sister and having a family who loves her. It would parallel her own mother and what she said before she died…….Henry would be enough.
To me, all of that is very interesting and I’d love to see it. But Robin, is not interesting. He tags along, they don’t use him. Good riddance as far as I’m concerned.
Just because a character is boring, it’s not a good enough reason to kill him in my opinion. Shame on the writers for not being better at writing his character, but I’d prefer he just be written out of the script by sending Robin, Roland and his Merry Men back to the Enchanted Forest than just killing him off gratuitously. I see a pattern on ONCE that I dislike on a family show; all around good and descent parents like Marian, Neal, and Robin get killed in favor of terrible characters like Zelena. On an 8PM show that kids and parents often watch together, I think it’s a bad message to send. If this were a 10 PM drama for adults, I wouldn’t be bothered, but on a show that kids often watch with their parents, I think it’d be better to promote a positive attitude that parents are important and that good people can win. I know that isn’t a reflection of real life, where the bad often prosper, but I still prefer that positive message in which good characters prevail to one in which descent characters gets axed in favor of characters like Zelena. I’m just hoping the spoilers are wrong and that it’s Zelena who dies and Robin lives (although it doens’t appear to be that way).
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
A character being boring or under developed is the fault of the writers who often get overly distracted by their crazy plots, their shiny toys, and their own obsession with other characters/ideas. And if the writers feel that the only way they can remove their now boring and defunct character from the narrative is to kill him (in spite of what kind of thematic, moral, or ethical message it sends) then you have to question, at the very least, their artistic integrity. It’s lazy for people who’s jobs are literally to tell stories and figure out a way to develop their characters and ideas in organic ways. There’s nothing wrong with killing a good person in TV. It happens all the time and in other shows can be handled with grace and thoughtfulness that serves their other characters and their narrative.
There is,however, a problem with killing a good (morally upright) character in TV simply because *writers* don’t know what to do with them or find them uninteresting. And the fact is, in recent history on this show, the characters who are getting killed off are those who are 1) parents 2) definitively morally upright (meaning they have not committed any egregious sins such as the big bad one of murder) and 3) were met with hostility from parts of the fandom and moreover their deaths are never given any kind of weight or meaning. They just simply exit stage left and the other characters go back to focusing on plot.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"A character being boring or under developed is the fault of the writers who often get overly distracted by their crazy plots, their shiny toys, and their own obsession with other characters/ideas. And if the writers feel that the only way they can remove their now boring and defunct character from the narrative is to kill him (in spite of what kind of thematic, moral, or ethical message it sends) then you have to question, at the very least, their artistic integrity. It’s lazy for people who’s jobs are literally to tell stories and figure out a way to develop their characters and ideas in organic ways. There’s nothing wrong with killing a good person in TV. It happens all the time and in other shows can be handled with grace and thoughtfulness that serves their other characters and their narrative.
There is,however, a problem with killing a good (morally upright) character in TV simply because *writers* don’t know what to do with them or find them uninteresting. And the fact is, in recent history on this show, the characters who are getting killed off are those who are 1) parents 2) definitively morally upright (meaning they have not committed any egregious sins such as the big bad one of murder) and 3) were met with hostility from parts of the fandom and moreover their deaths are never given any kind of weight or meaning. They just simply exit stage left and the other characters go back to focusing on plot.
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