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Bee, this made me smile for some reason. I don’t know who he is, but it sounds good.
I have a feeling that whoever he is that he’ll be in Storybrooke first. I’m hoping as Emma’s ex and Henry’s father, but I don’t think they’ll introduced him this early. But like others have said, I’ve gotten it wrong a lot. I was convinced August was NOT Pinocchio because of the red hair. I thought all the clues were red herrings. So I have no idea who he’ll be.
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They are SO messing with us. Stupid ‘mysterious-man’ label!
The following is just based on seeing MJR in True Blood and Walking Dead: so it is somewhat limited in the scope of his acting, I’m sure.
Beaman: I really think this is the Storybrooke counterpart of Hook, that a notorious pirate would be a real world antiques dealer that obtained some pieces through….questionable means. 😎
Smee: I even think I suggested this at first, thinking he had to tie in with Hook (and that MJR would make a cool pirate based on what I’ve seen him in). Really though, Smee is comic relief. I’m not saying the actor couldn’t be a riot in a comedy, but I haven’t seen him in that role.
Jack: He does have a swagger and since Jack is going to be a criminal: I could see it. Also, Jack sounds pretty layered as a character. In True Blood: he definitely pulled off a highly layered man. Compassionate listener, understanding boyfriend, great with kids, loving brother but also a psychotic killer! 😯
Peter Pan: Not my favorite option, but looking at the tree house picture…and the episode order, I am starting to wonder. I would be shocked to watch MJR on a sunday night, flying around in green tights…so maybe it’s a wonderful idea? 😀
The thing is, I would hate (if he is Peter Pan) that he was also Emma’s Ex, Baelfire, or all three. Baelfire landed in a world without magic and, since he probably had horrible experiences in our world like all the other FTL kids, the least they could give the character is a period of time without dealing with magic, fairies, and power-hungry adult males! About the Emma’s Ex part: I don’t want the excuse for whatever happened between them to just be, “Well gosh! He never grew up! Isn’t that just adorably forgivable?” No, it’s a cop-out! 👿 I’m even for Emma’s Ex being her true love, but that’s WAY DOWN THE LINE! Seasons away! I read too much into, “Well if true love was easy, then we’d all have it.”
I was ready to finally admit that MJR is probably going to be Baelfire, Henry’s dad, Emma’s Ex, and Jack upon entering this forum today….but now I’m not sure. I assume Baelfire, Henry’s dad, and Emma’s Ex is going to be a pretty big character and in most, after he’s introduced, episodes. It doesn’t make sense, based on how central I thought Bae would be, that he would be flying back and forth for a season. Is that normal for main cast members? I don’t stalk their twitters. (probably should). Clearly, he is going to be an important character, if he’s flying back and forth.
I find it interesting that he is proud to have not fallen down yet during a scene. His character possibly has some action scenes??? Now, I’m going to the Peter Pan option again and thinking about MJR flying around Storybrooke in green tights!
@Josephine wrote:
Bee, this made me smile for some reason. I don’t know who he is, but it sounds good.
Aw, thanks. 😀 I feel weird stalking him through his Twitter, but I’m hoping he’ll reveal more information about his character since it seems like OUaT won’t. I also like how he tweets pretty regularly even if it’s nothing revealing about the show because many of the other cast members are also heavily into Twitter, so he should fit right in.
I have a feeling that whoever he is that he’ll be in Storybrooke first. I’m hoping as Emma’s ex and Henry’s father, but I don’t think they’ll introduced him this early. But like others have said, I’ve gotten it wrong a lot. I was convinced August was NOT Pinocchio because of the red hair. I thought all the clues were red herrings. So I have no idea who he’ll be.
I think he’ll be introduced in Storybrooke first. He just looks like a “modern” type of guy to me, not that he couldn’t do a period character, but I have a hard time picturing him in Fairy Tale Land as some kind of knight, lord, or whatever. That’s one of the main reasons that I think he’s Bae and/or Henry’s father because then I don’t think he’ll have to do that many if any scenes in the past/or in Fairy Tale Land. I know it’s not a very logical reason at all. 😆
I wouldn’t think they would introduce Bae and/or Henry’s dad this early either, but I didn’t expect them to break the curse this soon. So I guess there’s still a chance that he could turn out to be either one or both.
They are SO messing with us. Stupid ‘mysterious-man’ label!
They totally are. It’s so frustrating, and we haven’t even gotten any pictures of him in Storybrooke just hanging out with fans in his costume even though we know he’s already up there.
Beaman: I really think this is the Storybrooke counterpart of Hook, that a notorious pirate would be a real world antiques dealer that obtained some pieces through….questionable means.
I agree that Beaman is most likely going to be Hook’s Storybrooke counterpart because of his names and the description of his character.
Smee: I even think I suggested this at first, thinking he had to tie in with Hook (and that MJR would make a cool pirate based on what I’ve seen him in). Really though, Smee is comic relief. I’m not saying the actor couldn’t be a riot in a comedy, but I haven’t seen him in that role.
I think he could be funny, but I’m not sure if they would include Smee that often just for comic relief on the show. The show is small in the sense that there are only 6-7 main cast members (Emma, Henry, Snow, Charming, Regina, Rumple, and probably Belle), but there’s so many other characters now and so many other characters that they want to bring in that because whoever Michael Raymond-James is going to turn out to be is going to be on pretty regularly this season, I think he must be more important than as a sidekick like Smee.
Jack: He does have a swagger and since Jack is going to be a criminal: I could see it. Also, Jack sounds pretty layered as a character.
This is still my guess just based on his past roles because of the swagger that he’s shown, and the unfortunate fact that he’s been typecast as someone that’s usually a criminal. I don’t know why they won’t just come out and say that he’s Jack then. The only explanation that I can think of beyond the Bae/Henry’s dad mystery is that perhaps Dr. Whale or someone else is Peter Pan, but they want us to think that Michael Raymond-James’s character is going to be.
Peter Pan: Not my favorite option, but looking at the tree house picture…and the episode order, I am starting to wonder. I would be shocked to watch MJR on a sunday night, flying around in green tights…so maybe it’s a wonderful idea?
I would be shocked if he were Peter Pan too for the reasons you gave. I have to admit that they would totally be going in a different direction than what I usually imagine Peter Pan to be like, so I would have to give them credit for that. However, just imagining MRJ flying around in green tights is already sending me into fits of giggles. Plus, if he actually ever had to wear that iconic costume, I would just never be able to take his character seriously again.
The thing is, I would hate (if he is Peter Pan) that he was also Emma’s Ex, Baelfire, or all three. Baelfire landed in a world without magic and, since he probably had horrible experiences in our world like all the other FTL kids, the least they could give the character is a period of time without dealing with magic, fairies, and power-hungry adult males! About the Emma’s Ex part: I don’t want the excuse for whatever happened between them to just be, “Well gosh! He never grew up! Isn’t that just adorably forgivable?” No, it’s a cop-out! I’m even for Emma’s Ex being her true love, but that’s WAY DOWN THE LINE! Seasons away! I read too much into, “Well if true love was easy, then we’d all have it.”
It really is looking like he could turn out to be Peter, so I’m trying to be open to the idea. I don’t like it for the reasons that you don’t like the idea either. I expect Henry’s dad to be very immature or at least was back then, but I do think it’s a cop-out to give him the excuse that he is/was immature because he’s Peter Pan. Also, if Peter Pan is also Henry’s father, it might feel too much like they’re ripping off the movie Hook.
Plus, I would never be able to trust the show again if they had the Blue Fairy saying that Bae would go to a land without magic, but then he landed in Neverland just because the circumstances changed. If there was an indication back in season 1 that it could be true, I would be okay with it like I was okay with finding out the wardrobe actually could have held 2 people because it happened in the same season that they lead us into believing that it could only hold 1 person.
I was ready to finally admit that MJR is probably going to be Baelfire, Henry’s dad, Emma’s Ex, and Jack upon entering this forum today….but now I’m not sure. I assume Baelfire, Henry’s dad, and Emma’s Ex is going to be a pretty big character and in most, after he’s introduced, episodes. It doesn’t make sense, based on how central I thought Bae would be, that he would be flying back and forth for a season. Is that normal for main cast members? I don’t stalk their twitters. (probably should). Clearly, he is going to be an important character, if he’s flying back and forth.
I’ve never followed any actors’ schedules for a show until now because I always start watching a show where there’s big mysteries like OUaT after the show has been on awhile not while everyone is talking about the big mysteries, so I’m not sure how their schedules work either. It seems like it’s pretty easy for some of them to take off for a few days like Josh, Ginny, and Emilie based on recent pictures of them on their break time outside of Canada, so if he’s on their level of importance, which I would expect Bae and/or Henry’s dad to be, I guess it wouldn’t be that unusual for him to be in Vancouver mostly but to be able to fly back and forth for a few days at a time when they’re on a short break or there’s very little of him in an episode.
@Lil’Red wrote:
Beaman: I really think this is the Storybrooke counterpart of Hook, that a notorious pirate would be a real world antiques dealer that obtained some pieces through….questionable means. 😎
Will they really need real world aliases any more though? Especially for new characters. I know the casting calls for Mulan and Aurora had different names, which were potentially their SB names, but wouldn’t SB names be sort of redundant now that everyone remembers their real names?
Jack: He does have a swagger and since Jack is going to be a criminal: I could see it.
Have they said Jack will be a criminal? Wasn’t his casting call the one about running from his past in a land full of danger, (which screams Bae to me)? There were so many casting calls in quick succession for a while there, I may be mixed up.
About the Emma’s Ex part: I don’t want the excuse for whatever happened between them to just be, “Well gosh! He never grew up! Isn’t that just adorably forgivable?” No, it’s a cop-out! 👿
Peter Pan being Henry’s father is a theory I’ve liked for a while now, but I’d never thought of the “he can’t grow up” explanation for why he was an immature guy who treated Emma like crap. That sorta fits perfectly IMO. I wouldn’t see it as “adorably forgiveable” though. He’d still have to be held accountable for treating Emma badly. Once he began growing up in our world, he had the chance to make choices, and made some wrong ones. Just like if Bae turned out to be Henry’s father, he’d have understandable reasons for being messed up in the head and not the best guy as a result, but he’d still have to be held accountable for treating Emma badly.
Clearly, he is going to be an important character, if he’s flying back and forth.
The way you worded that, totally made me think of Peter Pan. 😉 Seriously though, obviously he’s gonna be someone integral to the ongoing storyline if he’s expecting to be called back several times during the season. With a decent sized cast and several storylines going on though, he wouldn’t likely be in every ep, even if he’s a character like Bae, they won’t necessarily have him be the focus of every ep, coz they have other stories to tell as well.
@AntBee wrote:
I think he’ll be introduced in Storybrooke first. He just looks like a “modern” type of guy to me, not that he couldn’t do a period character, but I have a hard time picturing him in Fairy Tale Land as some kind of knight, lord, or whatever. That’s one of the main reasons that I think he’s Bae and/or Henry’s father because then I don’t think he’ll have to do that many if any scenes in the past/or in Fairy Tale Land. I know it’s not a very logical reason at all. 😆
Sounds plenty logical to me. He looks like he could play a rough around the edges, modern day guy. That’s the only type of character he’d have to portray if he was an adult Bae, or an adult Peter Pan, and/or Henry’s father.
I wouldn’t think they would introduce Bae and/or Henry’s dad this early either, but I didn’t expect them to break the curse this soon. So I guess there’s still a chance that he could turn out to be either one or both.
If Bae and Henry’s father are two different characters, and they want to introduce both at some point this season, it’d make sense for them to introduce one in the first half of the season, and the other one later. Bringing them both in at the same time would be overkill and they wouldn’t be able to focus on either properly. If that’s their gameplan, I’d expect Bae to be the character who is introduced later on, because Mr Gold will still have to spend some time searching for him and earning that reunion.
I think I mentioned in the Season 2 Spoiler thread that I’m beginning to think that he’s going to be introduced as Henry’s father first and then we’ll be in a guessing game all season about him. The pictures coming out of Charming and Henry are so adorable and it looks like Charming is going to be taking a father-figure role with Henry since he currently has no men in his life. I can see this guy rolling in and upsetting the delicate bond the Charmings have made for each other. I assume that they’ll all be living in the MM’s apartment together, at least for right now, so they’ll be navigating how to go along as a family and dealing with those issues.
I can imagine MRJ coming in and upsetting that balance early on and causing havoc in Storybrooke. If Regina is set on getting Henry back, she might manipulate him to her cause. Either way, it would cause the new Charming clan to have drama in midst of everything going on.
I thought Henry’s daddy would show up near the end of the season, but the more I think about it, the more I’m thinking that MRJ’s character will be the father. We get introduced to him as the baby-daddy first and then it goes into who he was in the fairytale world, whether it be Bae/Peter/Jack/someone else.
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@Josephine wrote:
The pictures coming out of Charming and Henry are so adorable and it looks like Charming is going to be taking a father-figure role with Henry since he currently has no men in his life. I can see this guy rolling in and upsetting the delicate bond the Charmings have made for each other.
Yes, this is a big reason why I think that whoever else he may also be, MRJ will likely be Henry’s father.
@Phee wrote:
Have they said Jack will be a criminal? Wasn’t his casting call the one about running from his past in a land full of danger, (which screams Bae to me)? There were so many casting calls in quick succession for a while there, I may be mixed up.
You’re right. It didn’t say anything about Jack being a criminal. I assumed he probably would be someone that is/are was a criminal just based on the original story especially if Jack is Bae since he probably didn’t have a lot of other options when he first landed here.
For Once Upon a Time, the role of [JACK] is being cast (as a “guest role with option”). He’s in his 20s or 30s, charismatic, sexy and mysterious, but also loyal and kind, and he’s running from his past in a land full of danger.
I think you mentioned in another thread about it being weird they haven’t revealed who Jack is yet, but I also think it’s weird we haven’t had the role of Milha cast yet since they just started filming episode 4.
Sounds plenty logical to me. He looks like he could play a rough around the edges, modern day guy. That’s the only type of character he’d have to portray if he was an adult Bae, or an adult Peter Pan, and/or Henry’s father.
Thanks. I’m glad that didn’t seem too illogical.
I think I mentioned in the Season 2 Spoiler thread that I’m beginning to think that he’s going to be introduced as Henry’s father first and then we’ll be in a guessing game all season about him. The pictures coming out of Charming and Henry are so adorable and it looks like Charming is going to be taking a father-figure role with Henry since he currently has no men in his life. I can see this guy rolling in and upsetting the delicate bond the Charmings have made for each other. I assume that they’ll all be living in the MM’s apartment together, at least for right now, so they’ll be navigating how to go along as a family and dealing with those issues.
That would be unexpected to me because I figured that non-storybook characters aren’t allowed to enter Storybrooke because they wouldn’t be able to see it. I think it can work even if that’s true, but it just depends on if the townspeople are aware or not if non-storybook characters can enter Storybrooke. I don’t even know for sure if non-storybook characters can enter or not. I just don’t think they can right now because it’s much easier if they just keep the non-storybook characters out, but people in Storybrooke probably don’t know that for sure right now. (It reminds me of Lil’ Red’s story about Bae coming to Storybrooke, and how it gives the townspeople more incentive to go on doing everyday things if they’re afraid that total strangers can now enter Storybrooke.)
Of course, no one except Rumple and perhaps Henry would ever think that a stranger could be one of their kind since they all pretty much know each other, and Bae disappeared long before any of them were ever around. So I could see Henry’s dad/Bae coming to town, people being scared that non-storybook characters might be able to enter Storybrooke now and trying to act as normal as possible especially when he was around, and Rumple wondering off and on if he could be Bae. The latter could be like a parallel of what happened between August and Rumple except MR-J’s character would leave clues that he wasn’t Bae like fake pictures of him as a child with his parents or things like that to fool Rumple.
I can imagine MRJ coming in and upsetting that balance early on and causing havoc in Storybrooke. If Regina is set on getting Henry back, she might manipulate him to her cause. Either way, it would cause the new Charming clan to have drama in midst of everything going on.
I could see that except if Henry’s dad is really Bae, I think he would be smart enough or intuitive enough to know that Regina really wasn’t trying to help him. So I think he would try to play her just like his dear old daddy by making it seem like he really believed that she was really good and trustworthy, but really working on his own agenda. However, since he doesn’t have hundred of years of experience at manipulating people like his dad, well at least I assume he doesn’t, I could see a situation where Regina finds out that he’s really been playing her, and she tries to do something to him, which is when Rumple has to intervene, which would eventually lead to Bae slowly building a relationship with him again.
@AntBee wrote:
I think you mentioned in another thread about it being weird they haven’t revealed who Jack is yet, but I also think it’s weird we haven’t had the role of Milha cast yet since they just started filming episode 4.
I just mentioned this in the other thread. LOL Said that I suspected we haven’t seen her face because they had to cast someone who looks like Bae’s mother.
Yeah, I should have phrased everything better. I’m assuming Jack will be some type of criminal since theft and murder seem to be such a large part of the actual story: but he could easily JUST be a guy that travel by bean/beanstalk.
As for Beaman: if Hook was a notorious pirate-villian, I can see him laying low while he figures out the power struggle in Storybrooke. He sounds like another clever villain, so waltzing around town, waving his hook around and introducing himself as Capt. James Hook doesn’t make infiltrating different sides as possible.
I think I could get on board with MJR being Peter Pan because it would shock me. Right now, I really think that’s who he is… He would definitely be different than most Peter Pans I’ve seen, including the grown up Peter played by Robin Williams in Hook. Which would be exciting: don’t most of us love this show because we get to see these characters re-done?
I don’t know what to think of Milha, yet. Googled the name, appears to be a mile/distance unit in Brazil. Ever time I see it, though, I think of ‘Miller’…don’t know why.
Why it makes sense that she is Rumple’s wife who abandoned her family for adventure and dashing pirates- I also wonder if there’s a connection to Regina’s story…Probably not!
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