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@Lil’Red wrote:
He’s probably expecting his son to still be similar to the last memories he had, but if Bae became Jack and Henry’s father, while I think he’ll be on the side of good, he’ll also probably be very cynical at the very least, and perhaps seem very dark.
Second this! Think about his confrontation with August. I can’t think of the direct quote, but it was something along the lines of ‘you’ve always been the bigger (better) man, son. Now, I need you to be the bigger man once again and forgive me.’ He seems to expect the anger and bitterness, but still thinks his son has retained his bravery and noble nature. If Bae is (at least on the surface) the complete wreck some of us are suggesting – think how crushing that will be for Rumple and the amazing acting opportunity for Robert Carlyle (maybe enough to actually get a nomination!)
All of this! Rumple has Bae up on a pedestal, so what happens when this person he’s put all of his faith and hope into, the one who motivated everything he’s done over the last few centuries, ends up falling short of his expectations? There’s so much potential for delicious angst in this father/son relationship, I can’t wait to see what they do with it!
[adrotate group="5"]They’ve already kind of played out the happy reunion angle when August was pretending to be Bae so if they reunite Rumple and Bae, it’s not going to be a happy one.
I think Bae may be dead. In my opinion, he’s served his purpose. Whilst it would be nice to find out what happened to him when he went through the vortex, what more could he add to the story? I’m not sure if I want him to be Henry’s father or not because it would just seem too much of a coincidence that out of all the men in the world, Emma just happened to hook up with Rumple’s son.
Saying that, I’m not against Bae returning or being Henry’s father. I just think he could serve the story better if Bae was dead.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixCould this be the season for father/child angst? đ
We give Rumpelstiltskin so many angsty options: he either discovers that his son has changed and become a dark individual with trust issues or has died, making centuries of work and obsession utterly pointless. For me, I think it will really come down to what they plan on doing with Rumple’s character. If Baelfire is alive and became a jaded adult – Rumple may actually have to become the ‘bigger’ man to restore him. My issue with this is that it may place Rumple into more of the ‘good’ spectrum a little early in the show. But, with this character, it’s always open that he will act more morally gray throughout the series – even if the goodies assume he’s working with them.
One route of Bae being dead may be Rumple making peace, tracking down his descendants, and piecing together that Bae had a happy (magical-less) life – but how likely does that seem? That doesn’t sound like Rumple to me. Maybe that’s what someone like Charming would have done in the situation, but not Rumple for me. I see a greater possibility of him completely losing it – becoming something darker than we’ve seen yet on the show and staying that way for some duration. If this happens, I’m not saying he’ll be the main antagonist/villain till the show ends (or that Belle can’t bring him out of it, to reach some portion of route one) but it will be a longer, bumpier road.
Why do you think he’ll serve the story better dead, PriceofMagic?
If Bae’s alive then him and Rumple are going to reunite at some point. It may take a long time but it will eventually happen and that sort of takes the will they won’t they/ what’s going to happen next aspect out of it.
If Bae is dead then you get Rumple realising that his power has truly cost him dearly which plays into his catchphrase “All magic comes with a price”. He may have a second chance with Belle but he won’t get a second chance with his son. Like you said, Rumple has spent centuries working, planning and scheming all with the goal of finding and reuniting with Bae. If that goal is suddenly unachievable, what’s Rumple going to do? He gone down a dark path and burnt too many bridges to go back to being a good man yet he’s got nothing to scheme or aim for, he’ll sort of be in limbo, can’t move forward, can’t move back. Skin Deep highlighted the fact that Rumple was lonely yet he probably coped with it with the thought that he was doing it for Bae, that it would all be worth it in the end when he finds Bae. With Bae out of the picture, Rumple is out in the cold from any sort of social circle. With the exception of Belle, Rumple has no friends and no family and Belle can’t be with him 24/7 so it would be interesting to see how Rumple copes with that isolation when he has no the ends justify the means motivation. Also like you said, finding out Bae’s dead could send Rumple off the deep end. He’d be hurting, and what does Rumple do when he’s hurting? He lashes out. He described Belle as “a brief flicker of light amidst an ocean of darkness” so when Rumple is drowning in his world of darkness and despair, who else could save him and bring him back from the edge but Belle, his flicker of light. Also Bae being dead would give the show a chance to tackle some more mature themes, some real world issues where not everything ends with a happily ever after.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixI reckon they could still go to that place where Rumple feels like he’s completely lost Bae, without Bae being dead. If Bae has done things he’s not proud of, maybe even repeated some of the sins of his father, he may be incredibly resentful and angry at Rumple. If he’s been beating himself down for much of his adult life, meeting his father again, having someone else to unleash some fury on for a change, that could destroy Rumple. Talk about the polar opposite of the last time he saw his son, going from, “Please Papa, do the right thing,” to, “I hate you for what you turned me into.” Ouch. When he finds that his father brought back the magic, that alone could be enough to set him off, so that he doesn’t want to associate with him.
If something along those lines happened, where Bae was all, “you’re dead to me”, Rumple would be in a position where it seems that all he did was for nothing because the one thing he always wanted, to reunite with his son, isn’t possible any more.
But I admit, I want Bae to be alive so the reunion can eventually happen, because I have a huge soft spot for the devious little bugger that is Rumple.
I too have a huge soft spot for Rumple which is why if Bae is alive then I would want the happy reunion to happen. However, I just think that’s a little predictable. Bae may absolutely hate Rumple’s guts when they first find each other (I may even actually find myself not liking Bae because of how he treats Rumple after everything Rumple went through for him) but before the series ends they will reunite. So long as Bae’s alive, Rumple will always cling to the thought of a happy reunion.
With Bae dead, Rumple has no hope of reuniting with his son because magic can’t bring the dead back (unless the magic Rumple brought to Storybrooke has different rules to the magic in fairytale land.) Just an idea that combines the notions of Bae being alive and Bae being dead. What if the magic brings back dead loved ones (not likes zombies but actual back to life) but it brings them back wrong. So the good, brave Bae that Rumple knew in fairytale land would actually come back as a nasty manipulative little so and so out to wreck his father’s life. Rumple would then have the dilemma of does he let Bae go and remember him as he was in fairytale land or does he keep this new twisted version of Bae around even if the fairytale land Bae wouldn’t have approved.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixMichael Raymond-James is headed back Sunday for Once. I guess he could still be in episode 5, at least a small part, since I think they’re still filming that one. Or maybe Monday is when the new episode starts filming.
It’s probably not tied to the MR-J character, but there’s been another spotting of Daniel and in more context,
She (Lana) drove the car to the end of the street and proceeded to drive it towards the intersection, where another car would drive in front of her causing her to stop suddenly. It was at that point that she saw the mysterious new character standing on the corner, by the entrance to the Storybrooke Library. Lightening distracts Regina for a split second, but the character has vanished.
Again, my theory probably won’t work out, but I do think that the writers could do an interesting parallel between August pretending to be Bae and Regina perhaps thinking that Bae is Daniel. Assuming that someone isn’t gaslighting Regina into thinking Daniel is around town by using a Daniel double that’s not MR-J, and assuming that she actually has interaction with MR-J’s character, I think something that the Bae does could remind her of Daniel like he saves her from Captain Hook or another angry mob, or perhaps says something that brings Daniel to her mind.
Yes, I know Michael Raymond-James and Noah Bean look nothing alike, but I don’t think Eion Bailey and Michael Raymond-James look alike either yet August was still able to fool Rumple. I know it’s different because Regina already knows what Daniel looks like, but I think by having Bae remind her of Daniel,
it would be intriguing to have Bae be sort of an ally to Regina, well I guess not really an ally, but not completely against her either at least in for awhile. Nothing romantic at least definitely not his feelings, but I think he would feel a lot of guilt about all the destruction that Rumple caused even to Regina. I don’t think he would let Regina entirely off the hook for her actions, but I think as a character at least for season 2, he might be able to be the most objective in not hating her outright like basically everyone in town will. Plus, unlike another villain like Captain Hook, I don’t think he would be the type to get her before she got him. Now Regina being Regina, she’ll probably screw it all up like she did her friendship with Kathryn, but I think it could certainly be one way to have Regina and Bae be friends, which would cause all kinds of drama, and possibly show that Regina might be able to be redeemed.That’s why even though both sides make good cases as to whether Bae should be found alive or dead, I think it could create a lot more drama in the long run if he’s alive. If the show were just about Rumple, then I think that they could have Rumple find out that his whole Curse was pointless, and have Rumple go even darker but have Belle bring him back from the dark side. Since the show is about Emma, I think that Bae is going to play a really big part in her journey somehow whether that be as Henry’s dad, true love, and/or some kind of mentor or perhaps the real Big Bad. I just don’t think the writers can make Emma the Cursebreaker and Bae be the reason for the Curse’s existence without them interacting at all since Bae was such a large part of the reason Emma’s life turned out the way it did. She might be able to relate to Rumple because she would probably be tempted to do the same things for Henry, but I don’t think it’s the same as if she actually interacted with Bae. They’re just tied together too much more than just Emma being able to relate to Rumple’s situation.
Plus, if Bae is dead, I don’t think it would give the Charmings and even Regina that much to do. They’d probably work together temporarily to bring a really dark!Rumple down, and then once he’s gone as a threat, work against each other, but other than that nothing. However, if Bae is alive, even if he’s not Henry’s father, I think that he has a better chance of forging relations with both the Charming family and Regina than Belle does. I think he’s objective enough in knowing what a monster his father is to work with the Charmings. Not to say that Belle won’t object to Rumple’s actions or work together with the Charmings eventually, but if MR-J is Jack/Bae, but not Henry’s father, I think he would have the edge right now of becoming allies with the Charmings because he doesn’t have to adjust to the world like Belle also has to do, and his anger is pointed at Rumple whereas right now Belle’s anger is pointed at Regina’s.
@PriceofMagic wrote:
Just an idea that combines the notions of Bae being alive and Bae being dead. What if the magic brings back dead loved ones (not likes zombies but actual back to life) but it brings them back wrong. So the good, brave Bae that Rumple knew in fairytale land would actually come back as a nasty manipulative little so and so out to wreck his father’s life. Rumple would then have the dilemma of does he let Bae go and remember him as he was in fairytale land or does he keep this new twisted version of Bae around even if the fairytale land Bae wouldn’t have approved.
That would be be really interesting! Cool idea!
@AntBee wrote:
It’s probably not tied to the MR-J character, but there’s been another spotting of Daniel and in more context,
She (Lana) drove the car to the end of the street and proceeded to drive it towards the intersection, where another car would drive in front of her causing her to stop suddenly. It was at that point that she saw the mysterious new character standing on the corner, by the entrance to the Storybrooke Library. Lightening distracts Regina for a split second, but the character has vanished.
Was Noah Bean on set for that, or is it speculation that the person she thinks she sees in Daniel? It’s a fair assumption to make, so I’ll go with it coz I just had a thought. I wonder if he’s not so much come back to life, but if Rumple’s well trick, “bringing back that which is lost” is causing Regina to manifest Daniel in some way? Maybe no one is intentionally gaslighting her, it’s just a side effect of the magic well mixing with her own subconscious? Or could the barriers between present and past be thinning out somehow, so that he’s bleeding through, and that’s what she’s seeing?
I’m thinking that part of why Rumple went to the well wasn’t just to bring back magic, but to summon Bae to SB. If he’s out there in our world somewhere, how’s he gonna know to seek out SB of his own accord? Of course, we don’t know for sure yet if he’ll come to SB or if Rumple will be able to leave to find him, (he did talk about planning a trip), but if there were some way to magically put the call out, so to speak, so that Bae was drawn to SB, that would make Rumple’s job of finding him far easier. What if, in doing that, Rumple has sort of summoned Daniel in some way too?
@AntBee wrote:
I think it could create a lot more drama in the long run if he’s alive. If the show were just about Rumple, then I think that they could have Rumple find out that his whole Curse was pointless, and have Rumple go even darker but have Belle bring him back from the dark side. Since the show is about Emma, I think that Bae is going to play a really big part in her journey somehow whether that be as Henry’s dad, true love, and/or some kind of mentor or perhaps the real Big Bad. I just don’t think the writers can make Emma the Cursebreaker and Bae be the reason for the Curse’s existence without them interacting at all since Bae was such a large part of the reason Emma’s life turned out the way it did.
Good points! Emma and Bae are like two sides of the curse coin, so it would make sense if they ended up being vitally important to each other in some way.
There is news that MRJ will be guest staring in the season 2 premiere!
According to Zap2it, in episode 2.01 will be guest starring: Raphael Sbarge, Lee Arenberg, David Anders, Keegan Connor Tracy, Michael Raymond James, Beverley Elliott, Sarah Bolger, Jamie Chung, David Paul Grove, Gabe Khouth, Faustino Di Bauda, Jeffrey Kaiser, Michael Coleman, Mig Macario, Julian Morris.
We knew about all these except Michael Raymond Jones (who plays a âmysterious characterâ). We knew heâd been cast but we had no idea heâs be on the show as soon as 2.01.
"Thatâs how you know youâve really got a home. When you leave it, thereâs this feeling that you canât shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
If the above spoiler is accurate, and Michael Raymond-James is really going to be in episode 1, I wonder if Bae entering Storybrooke now that magic is back would cause similar destruction and/or rather dramatic events like when Emma first arrived. Since he’s tied to magic beans, and that big hole in the ground seen in spoiler pictures does seem likely to be a giant beanstalk shooting out of the streets of Storybrooke, maybe his appearance in town caused the beanstalk to burst through the ground.
I think this works to introduce the character in a very spectacular way, but also let the audience in on who the character is right away while keeping it from the other characters on the show who will think that he’s only Henry’s dad. I think the writers may have learned their lesson from what happened with August in that they built up the mystery far too long for the audience on who he really was supposed to be, and then when he turned out to be only Pinocchio, it created a lot of backlash because Gepetto and Pinocchio have never been built up the way that Rumple has from the beginning.
Further, while I’m not really a fan right now of Emma and Snow disappearing so soon, in order for Henry and Bae to bond, it does make it easier for Emma and Snow to be out of the way for that to happen. Plus, Emma isn’t around for Gold to ask her any questions about Henry’s father if he starts to get suspicious about Henry’s dad also being Bae.
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