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March 17, 2014 at 9:06 pm #253776RumplesGirlKeymaster
Ah… forgot about that. But you mentioning Cora’s quote gave me an idea; Nobody breaks a deal with RS and gets away with it, so after Cora broke her deal perhaps the penalty was that the baby would be cursed with green skin, ensuring everybody would know something magical had gone on in Queen Cora’s past. Or maybe Cora didn’t disown Z, just sent her to Oz for her own safety to get her away from RS who, upon finding her years later, preceded to fill her head with lies about how her mother cast her out. Z says Cora had her before she became a royal, but perhaps her information (coming from RS) was wrong, perhaps she and Regina are full sisters. Or maybe RS was willing to sacrifice one of his children (Z) in order to find the other (BF), and tried to train Z to enact the curse…
Very interesting idea. I do think Rumple had a hand in turning Zelena green–either on purpose or accident.
Nice thoughts!
[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"March 18, 2014 at 2:04 pm #253922sacrlcParticipantHowever, after listening to the Canadian promo, you can clearly hear Rumple say: “Just exactly what is it you are?” Zelena: ”Something you’ve spent a lifetime seeking. Luckily, I won’t have to.”
I’ve been thinking about the dialogue between Rumple and Zelena and came up with another possibility:
Rumple: “Just exactly what is it you are?”
Zelena: ”Something you’ve spent a lifetime seeking.”
His mother
“Luckily, I won’t have to.”
She not only knew where he was because she left him and Malcolm when Rumple was young and now is/will be under her control.
I’m a bit fuzzy on the timeline however. Could this fit?Don't grow up. It's a trap.
March 18, 2014 at 2:05 pm #253924sacrlcParticipantWell, I tried to do a spoiler tag…. sorry about that.
Don't grow up. It's a trap.
March 19, 2014 at 8:58 am #254100KebParticipantI don’t see how Zelena could be Rumple’s mother when Rumple’s been around for at least a couple hundred years and Cora is Zelena’s mother; there is no reason to believe that Cora had magic before meeting Rumple in her 20s or 30s, so no reason to believe that she could’ve had a child that long ago.
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March 19, 2014 at 10:15 am #254120kfchimeraParticipantThe quote is missing a word too Sacrllc.
What exactly are you AFTER very different meaning. If she is Rumple’s mother, then she was just lying about Cora being her mother. Possible, but I think her attitude in Regina’s room would fit with someone jealous and envious of all the fine things Regina had, someone who might have had to grow up rough because Regina grew up rich. Either a sister as she claims, or perhaps even a normal child switched at birth to take the curse (green skin) that should have befallen Regina, then forced to go to Oz or taken to Oz perhaps by a kind fairy who was just trying to help but messed up.
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
March 19, 2014 at 12:29 pm #254150sacrlcParticipantDUH – I forgot Cora is Zelena’ mother. Never mind, I’ll go back in my little hole.
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March 23, 2014 at 11:52 pm #255079SlurpeezParticipantWell, at least after watching 3×14 we can safely rule out Rumple being the father of Zelena. She needed a drop of Rumple’s blood to open his safe which had been sealed by blood magic. If she were really his daughter, she could have opened it herself, similar to how Neal was able to open his father’s hidden cabinet in the Dark Castle in 3×3. There you go. Concrete proof that Zelena is not Rumple’s daughter.
Zelena did give a few hints about her father though. He was a drunk who couldn’t hold his hands steady enough to hold a razor blade, so Zelena had to shave him herself. It’s possible she was talking about her biological father, but I’m tempted to say that she might have been talking about her foster father. In 3×13, Zelena said that Cora gave her up and that she grew up in Oz, which leads me to wonder if she was taken in by a couple from Oz.
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March 23, 2014 at 11:54 pm #255081RumplesGirlKeymasterWell, at least after watching 3×14 we can safely rule out Rumple being the father of Zelena. She needed a drop of Rumple’s blood to open his safe which had been sealed by blood magic. If she were really his daughter, she could have opened it herself, similar to how Neal was able to open his father’s hidden cabinet in the Dark Castle in 3×3. There you go. Concrete proof that Zelena is not Rumple’s daughter.
Praise the lord
Zelena did give a few hints about her father though. He was a drunk who couldn’t hold his hands steady enough to hold a razor blade, so Zelena had to shave him herself.
personally I think that rules out Leo as well
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"March 24, 2014 at 12:41 am #255093kfchimeraParticipantWhat if her adopted dad is:
Blackbeard… who we know is an upcomming episode, and supposedly doesn’t bathe much. A shaky drunk guy being a pirate who drinks isn’t a stretch. I definitely wouldn’t think it is Hook though as her father, as Hook would be too retconny with a young Cora, plus he’s not that kind of drinker.
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
March 24, 2014 at 1:27 am #255106PheeParticipantIt’s possible she was talking about her biological father, but I’m tempted to say that she might have been talking about her foster father. In 3×13, Zelena said that Cora gave her up and that she grew up in Oz, which leads me to wonder if she was taken in by a couple from Oz.
Agreed that she was likely talking about a foster/adoptive father. If Cora gave her up, why would she give her away to her bio father, especially if he was a drunk? So I think Leo’s still a possibility for bio-dad.
I’m not convinced that Zelena actually grew up in Oz though. “Try growing up without a mother. Try living in Oz.” Maybe those two statements are linked, but they felt separate to me. If she’d grown up in Oz, I’d have expected it to be worded a bit differently.
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