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I’m not 100% convinced Hades conspried with Cruella and the Blind Witch to trap everyone in the library. I bet Zelena or Rumple, maybe even Pan was behind it.
[adrotate group="5"]Rumple doesn’t have much use for the heroes atm, but he’s shown (some) concern over his grandson’s fate, and doesn’t really want to do in Emma or the Charmings unless it’s necessary (which he has occasionally thought it was, but doesn’t seem to right now). He even gave Robin back his heart after feinting taking it for Pan’s viewing pleasure.
So I don’t think Rumple set them up. He was motivated to get their quest(s) done with so they could all go topside anyway. (Also, um, couldn’t he take them back whenever he wanted with his blood, once their names were off the tombstones?)
Zelena never intended to come to Underbrooke in the first place. She was just trying to get her baby, and accidentally got summoned along with it. She also expressed concern about her newly reconciled sister, so…
In the grand scheme of things, I think we must take Hades’ actions at face-value as they were presented. His WHY is still up for grabs, and confusing, but there’s no reason to believe someone else set up the heroes like that.
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He even gave Robin back his heart after feinting taking it for Pan’s viewing pleasure.
Did he, though? Robin doesn’t remember, and Pan isn’t talking to anyone anymore. If Rumpel kept the heart, he’d have a henchman and a spell ingredient. Rumpel seems like the kind of guy to hoard stuff just in case he might have a use for it someday.
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I don’t think it was Zelena or Pan or Rumple. I do think it was Hades but that it was just poorly written and left numerous gaps in the story. A lot of people think it might be Zeus who laid all the traps but I get the feeling that when we meet him in 521, we’re going to learn that Hades’ story of his brother is just Hades’ own perception based on his own sense of self-worth and ego. In other words, Hades thought he was more special than the “Lord of the Underworld” treatment he got, so it caused him to rationalize it as Zeus was the meaner brother who always took the nice toys.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I’m on the it was Zeus all along train. I could be wrong but when I watched the episode with the ambrosia tree and everyone was all “Hades tricked us” I just didn’t believe it.
1. To get to the ambrosia tree, you had to have true love. Hades didn’t, his heart was frozen so there was no way he could pass the test to cut down the tree.
2. What would Hades gain from it? Since Zelena is now on good terms with Regina, it would only put Hades out of favour with her to deliberately trap Regina and the others.
3. Hades has talked about his brother in previous episodes. Whilst Hades was the villain, it made it sound like he was the bad guy and his brother the hero. But if you view it as Hades wasn’t such a bad guy but was cursed by his brother then you could see why he was a bit bitter about it.
Plus Rumple’s line “dark and light all depends on your point of view” seems like it could hint at something. At the moment we’re viewing Hades as the villain as “dark” and that his brother is “light” but what if it’s the other way around.
The “heroes” are very narrow minded and tunnel visioned so of course they would assume Hades is the villain.
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Keeper of FelixI think Hades is a victim in the same sense that Zelena is–their perception of the way they were treated by their family (brother, mother) has made them cast themselves as victims in their own story (and this is just human nature; we tend to see ourselves as victims in our own stories when something is done to us that we feel is unwarranted or unjust or unfair). Does that mean that Zeus isn’t a bully of an older (twitch #badmythology) brother? No. But do I think Hades has probably cast his brother in more villainous terms in order to seem more sympathetic to the audience/Zelena/whoever he’s telling his story to? Yeah.
1. To get to the ambrosia tree, you had to have true love. Hades didn’t, his heart was frozen so there was no way he could pass the test to cut down the tree. 2. What would Hades gain from it? Since Zelena is now on good terms with Regina, it would only put Hades out of favour with her to deliberately trap Regina and the others. 3. Hades has talked about his brother in previous episodes. Whilst Hades was the villain, it made it sound like he was the bad guy and his brother the hero. But if you view it as Hades wasn’t such a bad guy but was cursed by his brother then you could see why he was a bit bitter about it.
These are all great questions that make me give some serious side-eye to the events of 520 but at the same time it could just be shoddy world building and writing. Goodness know it wouldnt be the first time it’s happened.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Plus Rumple’s line “dark and light all depends on your point of view” seems like it could hint at something. At the moment we’re viewing Hades as the villain as “dark” and that his brother is “light” but what if it’s the other way around.
That’s interesting. It reminds me a bit of Peter Pan being the villain of that tale, as Hook said. While Hook was also a Lost Boy-murdering pirate, Pan was way worse (aka “a bloody demon”). So it wouldn’t be the first time the writers changed a so-called “hero” into a villain. Zeus being the “big bad” of Olympus would actually be very in line with the kind of “twist” that the writers of OUAT usually go for (e.g. King Arthur really being the power-hungry, unjust ruler of Camelot).
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I’m also going to jump onto the Zeus train.
I just rewatched the episode and after reading PoM’s comment, I really think Hades is innocent. Especially with the ambrosia tree tree thing. They made it clear that you had to have true love to get to it.
Also, one thing I noticed on a rewatch – There is light from the heavens shining right down into the trees path (which is odd since it’s literally as far underground as you can go). I think it could be another slight hint that Zeus is involved.
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So I don’t think Rumple set them up. He was motivated to get their quest(s) done with so they could all go topside anyway. (Also, um, couldn’t he take them back whenever he wanted with his blood, once their names were off the tombstones?)
IN the episode where Mihla ended in the river of lost souls …. didn’t the boat get burned … so they could use RUMPLE’S blood but what is the use if there is no boat.
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