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First of all, the title might be a bit provocative, but I don’t intend to say that the Charmings are stupid. It’s rather the fact that during season 3, the characters aren’t depicted as highly intelligent.
In S3 A, Henry gives his heart to Peter Pan – by the way a guy, he has known for around a week – although his two moms and dad beg him not to. It’s not like he was kidnapped by PP’s crew and brought to Neverland against his will, oh wait, he was… But in this case, one can excuse his behavior and say that he was just an eleven year old kid who was manipulated. Okay, but what about Snow in S3 B? They are all very well aware that a witch, who no one knows how she looks like, is running around town and Snow meets a complete stranger, she has NEVER met or heard of before and trusts her with her pregnancy/baby! That has nothing to do with an optimistic and trusting character but is just foolish. And then Charming drinks a cup of tea, he hasn’t prepared himself and right afterwards is chased and fought by his fear. Then, Regina tells him that the witch is playing with them and he doesn’t even think once that the lovely midwife, who happened to have made the tea, might be the WW.
I don’t want to rant or hate on these characters. I am rather unhappy with the way they recently have been written. In S1, Henry completely relied on his intuition that the town was cursed (which was merely jogged by a book). Snow has alway been a trusting and good-hearted person but she also has always been highly attentive, while Charming usually is a distrustful fellow (according to Hook) but unfortunately he didn’t rely on his apparently bad feeling about Zelena just because she knew Johanna. And now, even Emma is starting to lose her touch. She knows that Hook is lying and at the moment I don’t necessarily say that she can’t trust him but why isn’t she asking him to be honest with her when he clearly loves/likes her?
As I said above, I don’t mean to say that the Charming family lack intelligence. I just have the ( of course very subjective) impression that they have recently behaved a bit out of character.
[adrotate group="5"]As I said above, I don’t mean to say that the Charming family lack intelligence. I just have the ( of course very subjective) impression that they have recently behaved a bit out of character.
I’m not sure it’s out of character so much as the Charming family have such good hearts that they don’t openly suspect people they’ve never met. Snow hears that Zelena knew Johanna and she instantly trusts her–I would say that’s actually in Snow’s nature, not outside of it. David was distrustful of Zelena but, like normal, Snow manages to talk him into it because David is better with a sword than his head (not a bad thing). Emma has about 1001 concerns right now, so a midwife looking after Snow is just a normal pregnancy thing and Emma’s distractions mean she doesn’t look closer.
Also, they villains have to be smart so that the story goes longer. If you have a dumb villain who plays their hand to early then there is no story. It has to look like Evil has the upper hand until Good inevitably wins.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Also, they villains have to be smart so that the story goes longer. If you have a dumb villain who plays their hand to early then there is no story. It has to look like Evil has the upper hand until Good inevitably wins.
Yes, I wholeheartedly agree.
BECAUSE THE VILLAINS ARE THE BEST! 😛
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
BECAUSE THE VILLAINS ARE THE BEST!
True 🙂
The brainstorming for S3 B was probably like this: Okay, how can we make the WW super creepy? Hey, let’s make her Snow’s midwife! Awesome and since the Charmings are nice to everyone they won’t be suspicious.
RG, I agree that the villains must have a great plan and be super cunning. But, unfortunately, this season it is a bit at the heroes’ cost.
RG, I agree that the villains must have a great plan and be super cunning. But, unfortunately, this season it is a bit at the heroes’ cost.
I do agree with that. It would be better if Snow weren’t so “let’s be BFFs!!!!” with the perfect stranger who likes to touch her stomach and wears gaudy jewelry despite being a peasant in another land.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Yup. I agree as well. Basically Evil is what makes the story lines move and keeps the audiences tuning in.
We can also identify with smart villainy and live vicariously through intelligently scripted wickedness while trying to live actual good lives ourselves. It is mostly harder for a good heart to maintain it’s goodness and thus, its strength, than it is for an evil heart to do things without impunity. It is often an underappreciated strength. Goodness is not always easily dramatized which can at times seem rather boring, but not really *stupid*.
On the other hand…(grin) sometimes the really good to the soul characters have made some dumb to the bone moves, and likewise, the bad/rotten seeds have moments of shining smart goodness.
They all kind of meld in the middle. Keeps us all on our *viewer* toes.What is so irresistible about OUAT is the blending of personal layers of Good and Not so Good :), dumb and smart.
***Always in search of a good flock***
I agree that Season 3 has not really been kind to the so-called “good guys.” I think David was correct to be weary of wholeheartedly embracing Zelena as Snow’s midwife. Yet, Snow being the somewhat more dominant one in the relationship sort of has David catering to her every want. Snow is just too gullible for her own good. She always looks for the good in others, which is a pure-hearted thing, but she doesn’t seem to learn form her experience. There are flying monkeys and disappearances happening, and yet Snow chooses to let a perfect stranger into her house to coach her through childbirth. How shortsighted is that? After all, Snow was a bandit, living on her own, and stealing to survive, so she ought to have better street smarts. Yet, it’s almost like her Mary Margaret cursed persona is back in full force now that she’s returned to Stroybrooke. The one time I’ve seen Snow stick up for herself in SB was when she killed Cora in self-defense. The way in which she did it was terrible (i.e. tricking Regina), but at least Snow showed some measured form of not trusting Cora’s intentions then.
And then there’s Emma, who is used to dealing with perpetrators as a bail-bondsperson. She’s got above average skill at breaking and entering, thanks to partner in crime, Neal, yet she’s not as good at reading other people as she’d like to think. Her lie-detecting skills seem a bit hit-and-miss. She got conned by Sydney in S1, who got her to trust him until she figured out her office had been bugged. She trusted Jefferson, a perfect stranger, and even got into his car and went home with him, when he drugged her and made her pass out. She trusted Cora at first in S2 enough to tell her about her son Henry, who she kinda shares with Regina. She didn’t catch on that Regina was disguised as Lancelot until Cora slipped up. When she and Snow finally made it back to SB, at first she believed Regina when Archie went missing but then took it back and disbelieved her. True, Emma could tell Tamara was lying, but she couldn’t tell that Greg was lying. In S3, Emma was able to tell Peter Pan was really Henry, but yet she was unable to tell she was really dating a flying monkey while she could tell Hook was lying and Regina was telling the truth. So Emma, who ought to be more on her A-game, is stuck playing Nancy Drew, as Regina has said, while the real perpetrator is in plain sight putting her hands all over Snow’s pregnant belly.
I guess that is my longwinded way of saying as much as I love the Charmings, I’m a little fed up with their inability sometimes to see the trees through the forest.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
They all kind of meld in the middle. Keeps us all on our *viewer* toes.What is so irresistible about OUAT is the blending of personal layers of Good and Not so Good :), dumb and smart.
This has me thinking Again as I sometimes have. Do they really do such a good job at the blending evil and good? they say (the writers and producers) that the show want to show that evil is not pure.. its made.. as they say and good is somehow not all good, but also tainted with evil. But then on the show the “hero” characters always have and excuse when they make mistakes. Its like the writers dont have the guts, I think, to really make them do something ambivalent that will make the viewers question their good motives. And then when they do make a mistake its perhabs mostly out of stupidity.
When forexample Snow makes mistakes Like making Regina kill her Mother. its in a way with good intentions in mind and she questions her own choice so much that she runs to them to stop Regina but conveaniently comes to late. But why not let Snow do something for selfish reasons and not be apologetic about it? That would make Things interesting in my opinion.
This subject is a bit of from the origin of this thread. If someone want to discuss this I will happily make a new thread on it, cause I find it very interesting.
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