Why did Rumpel want the curse to happen?

[lissy]

I know everyone is currently talking about the awesomeness of the Red-Handed episode, but can’t stop thinking about this. Why do you think Rumpel would help the evil queen enact the curse? He was the one who practically encouraged her to kill the thing she loved most in order for the spell to work. What is his motive? Maybe he just had nothing left to live for in fairytale land?

[hjbau]

I think that there are two reasons that make sense to me. One that he wants to die and that he thinks he can die somehow through the curse. Two that he wants to ruin the Evil Queen. It might be both.

I keep wondering who has the dagger. And the thought that maybe Regina’s mother had the dagger at one point, so maybe Regina’s father has it so maybe Rumpel wanted Regina’s father dead. That seems a little convoluted, but i thought i’d throw it out there.

[Slurpeez]

@ hjbau: I doubt Rumple wants to die, otherwise he simply could have tricked another desperate soul into killing him with the dagger just like Zoso did to Rumple in FTL. There was no need to go to such great lengths to enact a powerful curse just to die. I think it’s more likely Rumple wants to get back at the EQ, because he blames her for Belle’s supposed death (and perhaps other reasons we’ll discover later). Also, as Mr. Gold in SB, he is powerful without having to bear the ugly appearance of Rumple. At least in SB he gets to look polished and all glam. (not a real reason, just an observation).

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

[obisgirl]

Maybe Rumple realized helping the Evil Queen was the only way to ultimately stop her.

[hjbau]

I don’t know. Immortal type beings wanting to die is always a possible storyline and maybe this is how Rumpel thought he could do it and take some people down in the process.

[celesstarr]

I think when you ask why rumpel wanted the curse to happen, you have to ponder why would rumpel create a curse that he didn’t enact himself. This might have something to do with one of the major premises of OUAT: “All magic comes with a price”.

Since we’ve learned from rumpel that this is indeed a powerful curse, then it must have powerful repercussions for the person who enacts it. I think Rumpel has his own agenda, and the evil queen enacted the curse, unknowingly “helped” him and put herself at a precarious position when the price of this magic comes back on her.

Then, the question that comes is just what is Rumpel’s agenda? I think he might be using the curse to bring back someone he loves, either Baelfire or Belle. Since episode 19 centers around Rumpel’s relationship with Baelfire there might be some clues there…

When you look up the name “balefire” it can give some more clues: When a target is struck with “balefire” the target’s existence is completely erased by destroying a pattern, erasing events chronologically in reverse. Balefire can even bring people back from the dead, or rather, prevent them from dying in the first place.

We know time was frozen in storybrooke, and then moves forward with Emma’s arrival. But, what if the clock started ticking backwards so that Rumpel can bring back his loved one? In the price of gold episode he said you can’t resurrect people…but can you force time backwards and undo certain unwanted events?

[Daniel J. Lewis]

Remember that Maleficent said the curse would, “leave a void that can never be filled.” (By the way, how did she know is so intimately?) It reminds me a little of the Count of Monte Cristo where he gets some people to ruin themselves.

[hjbau]

I think that is right. That the reason Rumpel did not do the curse himself was because of the consequences in some way. That still doesn’t answer the question as to why he wanted the curse done. Also we know that the curse was passed around. The queen had it and then Maleficent had it, we don’t know if she used it or not, and then the queen took it back. When they first said that Maleficent had the dark curse i thought that they meant that what happened in the Disney movie where everyone goes to sleep and the prince is trapped for a thousand years and Maleficent reigns was what they were calling the dark curse. They changed what exactly the curse was making it be a curse that sent the characters to our world and made them forget, but i still wonder if Maleficent did the curse before in the past or tried to do it because we know she had it and she thought it was really horrible. I don’t know though.

I don’t think that Rumpel should be able to go back in time or that they should do time travel of any sort at least not and change things. It is possible that Bae was sent to the real world and Rumpel wanted the curse done so that he could get to the real world and get his son back. I think i like the stranger being Bae the most right now or i think Bae should just be dead.

[darcyfarrow]

The individual who enacts the curse has to kill the thing he/she most loves; I don’t think Rumple could do that. If this curse really did put an end to all other curses, perhaps Rumple thought that would make it impossible for EQ and others like her to destroy people again; it would also make him a human again; and it would mean people would have to turn to each other instead of magic to solve problems. All around, it seems to be a good deal for everyone if magic is replaced by free will and love.

I wish I had an inkling as to how Baelfire will return. I’m just hoping that it happens, and that we don’t get a Sun/jin resolution.

[celesstarr]

@darcyfarrow wrote:

If this curse really did put an end to all other curses, perhaps Rumple thought that would make it impossible for EQ and others like her to destroy people again; it would also make him a human again; and it would mean people would have to turn to each other instead of magic to solve problems. All around, it seems to be a good deal for everyone if magic is replaced by free will and love.

Darcyfarrow, you’re right that the “curse” made Rumple “human” again. This makes me think now of how his son was scared of him when he turned into the dark one…so now, he’s found a way to reverse his own curse? Was that his intent? But, why would he want the curse to be broken and want to know Emma’s name in the first place? Questions leading to questions, which is why I love this series 😆

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