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June 14, 2012 at 12:38 am #148672darcyfarrowParticipant
Now that Gold has a confidante, I wonder if the writers will make us privvy to his plans, by showing us his conversations with Belle. From the few minutes he had with the man he thought was Bae, it seems he is eager to have someone to confide in, and who’s a more trustworthy candidate than the woman who’s loved him for who-knows-how-many years.
[adrotate group="5"]June 14, 2012 at 3:14 am #148679hjbauParticipant@*The Looking Glass* wrote:
Even after he released magic into Storybroke, there are still conflicting theories on why he did this. Some think he did it for power, some think he did it for his son, some think it’s for revenge against Regina, and some think that it’s for the final battle.
I actually think it is all of these things together. He wants power and he wants to find Bae. I think he wants revenge against Regina, but that is not why he loosed the magic. I think the final battle has to do with power.
Sorry about the video. It is just sort of what i think about the character when they want power. What are we going to do tonight? Try to take over the world!
June 14, 2012 at 4:46 am #148683Daniel J. LewisKeymaster@hjbau wrote:
@*The Looking Glass* wrote:
Even after he released magic into Storybroke, there are still conflicting theories on why he did this. Some think he did it for power, some think he did it for his son, some think it’s for revenge against Regina, and some think that it’s for the final battle.
I actually think it is all of these things together. He wants power and he wants to find Bae. I think he wants revenge against Regina, but that is not why he loosed the magic. I think the final battle has to do with power.
Sorry about the video. It is just sort of what i think about the character when they want power. What are we going to do tonight? Try to take over the world!
Don’t apologize! I thought it was hilarious! 😆
June 14, 2012 at 10:16 pm #148711clockwatcherParticipantFor all we know, season 2 can be developed into a completely different plot using the same original storyline, and we’ve been completely tricked by the writers!
June 19, 2012 at 2:46 pm #148903PheeParticipant@*The Looking Glass* wrote:
And besides, why would he all of a sudden want more power when just a few episode prior to the finale he was willing to give it all up for his son? It makes no sense. Rumpel’s engame (so far) has been to find Baelfire and give up his powers. So, his recent actions conflict with what we thought we knew about him. The finale only confirmed that we in fact know nothing about this character.
My initial reaction the first time I watched it was to be shocked and disappointed in him. Hasn’t he learned by now that having his powers is counter-productive to winning back the love of his son? SMH But now I’m just eager to learn more about what he’s up to so I can keep trying to figure him out.
@*The Looking Glass* wrote:
But my main question is why does Rumpel want there to be a final battle? Has anyone ever wondered why he would want that? He created the curse so that he could find his son, so why would he want to start an Apocalypse immediately after he found him? I think that’s another aspect about his character that keeps the audience guessing. He seems to want multiple things at multiple different times.
Maybe he just wants everyone else to destroy each other so he’ll be the only truly powerful one left?
June 19, 2012 at 3:01 pm #148904thedarkoneParticipantHi guys! I thought I’d bring a few theories from other threads in here. It may answer why Rumpel decided to release magic into Storybrooke.
@Midnight Dreary wrote:
^THIS. I’ve been wondering about the strength of the borders between the worlds for quite some time now. A curse as powerful as the Dark Curse would have seriously damaged the lines between our reality and the next. I hope we get more insight into that next season. That might be the “final battle” that Rumpel was talking about. Why would Rumpel want to fight an Apocalyspe immediately after he finds his son? He made the curse so that he could find his son, so why would he attach an Apocalypse onto it? It makes no sense. But I could easily see the bleeding of worlds into one another as the big “final battle” that he referring to. That definitely sounds definitely sounds like an Apocalypse.
@A Chipped Cup wrote:
Thank God I wasn’t the only thinking this. You’re absolutely right. The main objective of the curse is to find Baelfire. That’s the real reason why the curse was created and put into place. So, if Rumpel’s main objective is to find his son, then why would then turn around and create a magical World War III? Rumpel wants to be reunited with his son so that he can have his “happy ending,” and a big finale battle between good and evil doesn’t sound practical to me.
I think Midnight Dreary and Lil’Red are definitely onto something. In the end, the fight won’t between Rumpel, Regina and The Charmings, it will be between all the different worlds and dimentions. I think that’s the real reason why the writers introduced the concept of different worlds in “Hat Trick.” It was setting us up for what’s come in the future.
@TheDarkOne wrote:
Great theories everyone! I’d also like to add that the real reason why Rumpel brought magic into the world is because he knows that the lines between each reality are fading and that impending war is certain. So, in an effort to defend this reality, he brought magic into the world so that Storybrooke would have a line of defense against all the different worlds. Because when you really think about it, why would Rumpel want more power? We saw in “The Return” that he was ready to give up his powers and lust for magic. He gave August the dagger to show him just how sincere his intentions were. So, why would he all of a sudden do a complete 180 and decide to go after more power? It dosn’t make any sense. And I also don’t think that Rumpel needs magic to find his son. Unless Baelfire is trapped in some mystical tomb burried miles under the Earth, than magic is not needed for this task.
So, with those theories discredited, what’s left? I think Lil’Red and Midnight Dreary are correct in their assessment that the worlds are probably slowly dissolving and seeping into one another. And if that’s the case, then magic is going to be needed in order to defend Storybrooke. The complete dissolution of all worlds and dimensions is definitely Apocalyptic.
I also believe that the 20 doors inside of Jefferson’s hat will be the main players in the final battle. Those will be the worlds who’ll “take the battlefield”
June 20, 2012 at 12:53 am #148920JosephineParticipant@slurpeez108 wrote:
TVLine: Why did Rumple restore magic in Storybrooke?
Question: Probably a stupid question, but in the Once Upon a Time finale, did Rumple restore the magic — even if it meant empowering Regina — because he was so ticked about Belle being hidden away so long? —JoshuaAusiello: You are correct — that was a stupid question. ”His plan was set in motion long before he knew that Belle was alive,” notes exec producer Adam Horowitz. “ So all his actions in the finale were part of something else going on. When he discovers that Belle is alive and that Regina had her locked away, that’s a wrinkle in his plan and something that he must deal with in Season 2 while he also deals with whatever agenda he already has (hey, we’re not gonna spill that just yet!).”
http://tvline.com/2012/06/12/vampire-diarie-spoilers-parenthood-bunheads/
Yesterday, I was reading that the original response to this question was changed on TV Line. I found this on multiple sites, so I take it as true, but here is the original response:
“I thought that was explicit in the episode,” consulting producer Jane Espenson responds with a laugh. “You could make a case that [bringing magic back to Storybrooke] was always part of his plan, but yeah, it was definitely a counter move based on his anger at Belle being locked away. That doesn’t mean that that’s his ultimate end; he may have had a goal beyond that.”
I wonder why they changed it. But like I said, I saw this response on a number of sites, not just this one. We’ll never really know until they address it in the episode. But like they said, Rumple/Gold has plans of plans of plans. Multiple layers criss-crossing all over.
As to why he wants a final battle, I think the answer lies in what he calls the curse…the curse to end all curses. I think he wants to honor his deal with his son. I go back to the conversations in “The Return”.
First with Regina:
Regina: You broke our deal.
Mr. Gold: I broke one deal in my life dear, and it certainly wasn’t this one.
Then with Baelfire:
Bae: Papa…if I find a way for you to get rid of the power…a way that doesn’t kill you or hurt me…would you do it?
Rumplestiltskin: It’s not possible.
Bae: If it was, would you do it? Don’t you miss how it was?
Rumplestiltskin: Are you really that unhappy, Bae? I can conjure anything you desire. Name it. What do you want?
Bae: I want my father.
Rumplestiltskin: All I want is your happiness, Bae. If you find a way, I’ll do it.
Bae: Good. The deal is struck.
Rumplestiltskin: Struck.
It’s the only deal he’s ever broken and even though we know he can break the curse with “True Love’s Kiss”, after centuries of living I don’t think he wants people like Regina to go unchecked. He wants to end all magic, eventually.
Keeper of Rumplestiltskin's and Neal's spears and war paint and crystal ball.
June 20, 2012 at 8:56 am #148933PheeParticipant@Josephine wrote:
It’s the only deal he’s ever broken and even though we know he can break the curse with “True Love’s Kiss”, after centuries of living I don’t think he wants people like Regina to go unchecked. He wants to end all magic, eventually.
That’s been my theory through most of the first season. I really believed that ending magic was his ultimate goal with this curse. That’s why it threw me when he was so eagerly bringing it back in the finale. Guess this could just be another step in is plan though, and that is still part of the ending he wants.
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