Why Does Peter Pan Want Henry's Heart?

[Lauren]

random what if… what if pan is in love with Wendy and wendy is being held captive by the fairies or the shadows? an so pan needs the heart of the truest believer to find wendy..

or

what if the map that pan gave emma doesn’t lead to henry but to tink.. that shes trapped and pan cant rescue her so he orchestrates it so emma does?

[RumplesGirl]

First quick note: Lauren, I blocked out what you said in the second part because you’re not in a spoiler thread. Let me know if you need help putting in spoiler codes.

 

Ok, your thoughts.

what if pan is in love with Wendy and wendy is being held captive by the fairies or the shadows?

And he needs a pure heart in order to love her?

Hmm. I don’t know. We’ve seen people with dark hearts love those of pure hearts without any hangups, ie: Rumbelle.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[Lauren]

First quick note: Lauren, I blocked out what you said in the second part because you’re not in a spoiler thread. Let me know if you need help putting in spoiler codes. Ok, your thoughts.

Lauren wrote: what if pan is in love with Wendy and wendy is being held captive by the fairies or the shadows?

And he needs a pure heart in order to love her? Hmm. I don’t know. We’ve seen people with dark hearts love those of pure hearts without any hangups, ie: Rumbelle.

my bad had so many windows open lost track which thread i was in :)..

do we know the heart is a literal term like has it been confirmed i know pan was seen with a knife but does he want to cut henrys heart out or does he just need henrys belief to fuel neverland? like all the little tests pan will play is to actually strengthen henrys belief and eventually break another curse possibly?

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[thelonebamf]

My first thought upon hearing Pan declare his need for the heart of truest believer was that perhaps he was looking for a successor. Someone with enough belief to sustain and rule Neverland, but the way it was phrased (needing the heart, rather than just ‘the truest believer’) is a bit awkward.

Knowing that belief and imagination are power in Neverland, it could be that he’s looking for a power source.

I’m also wondering if maybe – to bring back GOAT’s mission (which would make me feel a lot better because their end was so abrupt) maybe Pan wasn’t about destroying magic, so much as he was about making Neverland the only place it existed. With the Shadow’s frequent visits to the regular world, he could have known about mankind’s faltering belief in magic etc. Perhaps he’s decided to take magic from this world (which GOAT misinterpreted as destroying, rather than just removing) and bring it to Neverland. As Henry has proven capable of convincing others of magic’s power (and be willing to sacrifice a lot to do so) he is exactly the sort of person Pan couldn’t afford to have running around in the mundane world- better to have his belief in Neverland where it actually translates into power.

Edit: Just occurred to me- I definitely think Pan is experiencing a drop in power. Otherwise- why waste time with GOAT? Why not just send the shadow to pick up the boy and bring him back in one fell swoop? Perhaps the shadow is no longer capable for traveling to our world? Maybe after centuries, Peter’s belief is faltering, and he’s trying to find power to sustain himself.

"Nothing is easier than to denounce the evildoer; nothing is more difficult than to understand him."

[kfchimera]

I like the idea that Pan himself is losing belief, and that’s why he needed Henry. If it were prophecy from long ago, it could even have that self-fulilling elment to it as Rumple’s fate did.

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

[Phee]

do we know the heart is a literal term like has it been confirmed i know pan was seen with a knife but does he want to cut henrys heart out or does he just need henrys belief to fuel neverland? like all the little tests pan will play is to actually strengthen henrys belief and eventually break another curse possibly?

I like the idea of PP testing Henry in order to strengthen his belief. Henry is now aware that he’s in a situation that’s potentially very dangerous, and if PP continues to mess with his head, and with his family, it would a further test for Henry’s belief. If he hangs in there, he’s gonna end up some kinda crazy powerful. It’s a bit Biblical, like God choosing certain people and putting them in life threatening situations to test their faith.

I’m also wondering if maybe – to bring back GOAT’s mission (which would make me feel a lot better because their end was so abrupt) maybe Pan wasn’t about destroying magic, so much as he was about making Neverland the only place it existed. With the Shadow’s frequent visits to the regular world, he could have known about mankind’s faltering belief in magic etc. Perhaps he’s decided to take magic from this world (which GOAT misinterpreted as destroying, rather than just removing) and bring it to Neverland. As Henry has proven capable of convincing others of magic’s power (and be willing to sacrifice a lot to do so) he is exactly the sort of person Pan couldn’t afford to have running around in the mundane world- better to have his belief in Neverland where it actually translates into power.

Interesting idea! Maybe something related to this could tie into why all the boys who have been taken, were taken? If you’re enough of a believer in magic that you’ll grab onto a Shadow’s hand and fly into the night sky, then you need to be contained in NL, where that belief can be put to PP’s use, instead of being allowed to run free in our world?

Edit: Just occurred to me- I definitely think Pan is experiencing a drop in power. Otherwise- why waste time with GOAT? Why not just send the shadow to pick up the boy and bring him back in one fell swoop? Perhaps the shadow is no longer capable for traveling to our world? Maybe after centuries, Peter’s belief is faltering, and he’s trying to find power to sustain himself.

Good point. Even if there’s a larger prophecy in play here, involving Rumple’s undoing, and maybe even something to do with Emma’s magic, so they all had to end up in NL, the rest of them still would have ended up there, even if it had just been the Shadow taking Henry, instead of GOAT doing it. So maybe the Shadow wasn’t able to.

[RumplesGirl]

I like the idea of PP testing Henry in order to strengthen his belief. Henry is now aware that he’s in a situation that’s potentially very dangerous, and if PP continues to mess with his head, and with his family, it would a further test for Henry’s belief. If he hangs in there, he’s gonna end up some kinda crazy powerful. It’s a bit Biblical, like God choosing certain people and putting them in life threatening situations to test their faith.

I keep bringing this up and people shoot it down but with Henry being pretty magical and maybe being true love maybe, can his heart even be taken? What if this has to be voluntary? What if Pan’s mission is to get Henry to understand that Henry would be a hero is he offered up his heart to save NL? So the “let’s play” is like a literal let’s play–let me show you the island, let me introduce you to your new brothers at arms, the Lost Ones. And then when all is said and done, I will ask for your heart so that you might save this land, these people and even your own family.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[Phee]

I like the idea that his heart must be given up willingly. Perhaps they’ll tie that into how PP came to his position as well, because traditionally, it was his choice to stay with the fairies and become who he became. Would it sort of negate the power of the heart of the truest believer if the heart had to be taken by force? Because if it’s taken by force, that means that the owner of it doesn’t want to give it up, doesn’t believe that giving it up is the right thing to do, which means it doesn’t really possess true belief in the cause. So if the heart must be 100% true, I’d think it has to be given freely.

[Slurpeez]

I like the idea that Henry’s heart, like Emma’s heart, cannot be forcibly removed. Perhaps being the Truest Believer is a bit like being the embodiment of True Love; both offer a sort of protection against dark magic. Yet, when PP is talking about the heart of the truest believer, I wonder if he is referring to Henry’s figurative heart rather than his literal heart. I just can’t see PP sacrificing Henry on some alter and carving out his heart with a knife like Regina carved out her own father’s heart, i.e. the heart of the one she loved most. That image just connotes barbaric pagan ritual to me. That is why I prefer to think that Pan needs Henry’s figurative heart instead to fuel magic or to, as someone said, replenish Pan’s own belief. I like the idea that Pan’s own skepticism has grown over the years and he needs Henry to help bolster belief in him again.

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

[RumplesGirl]

That is why I prefer to think that Pan needs Henry’s figurative heart instead to fuel magic or to, as someone said, replenish Pan’s own belief. I like the idea that Pan’s own skepticism has grown over the years and he needs Henry to help bolster belief in him again.

Interesting. But if he now knows that Henry has the heart of the truest believer, what more could he need from him? Is he going to continually test Henry’s faith and belief?

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

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