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It is her name that brings his memory back. He make it that way by himself. In the first episode he says: “Emma what a lovely name.” and goes outside with a smile. This is the second he get his memory back.
As far as I know that’s a theory, and I don’t buy it. Rumpelstiltskin’s memory might be vague in parts, but I think he has squirreled away clues for himself throughout Storybrooke, that’s why is always digging away in the forrest, looking for whatever he has put there that can further his plan. How else would he know saying please to Regina always works. It has taken him 300 years to perfect the curse and 28 yrs to get ready for Emma’s arrival. He’s ready.
I said it before, Rumpelstiltskin planned this curse to a ridiculous degree. I think I saw a little clip of OUAT where in Gold says that he threw in a dash of true love (snow&charming’s) as an escape clause. That can’t be the only one, he has set up everything every second of this curse. He gave it to Regina because he knew she would and could cast it. He goaded her to cast it, helping Snow and Charming to find eachother, knowing this would infuriate Regina.
By getting himself thrown in jail he gets front row tickets to the whole debacle.
In this respect Cinderella’s story could be interesting. The cane could also be the fairy godmother wand, I don’t think we know what happened to it. As he signs away his power, he would only surpress the Dark One (which would also explain why he is not the Dark One after magic comes to Storybrooke). A wand would still work. He know Regina is gonna use the curse already, she has threatened to do so, and always makes good on her threats (unlike her promises). As the curse grabs hold he changes the wand into a cane, and thus takes it with him, having a little bit of magic if need be.
I still prefer the knife theory though.
Is it me or are the scrolls on the blade and the handle of the cane similar?Oh BTW even though Rumpel is an evil master schemer, I STILL love him. Yes he sacrifices the world, but for what? To be with his son. I think that’s beautiful.
[adrotate group="5"]I don’t see it, but it is now 01.00 am in the morning for us both. Holland and Austria has the same time zone, so mybe if I look tomorrow again, I see it.
I have seen the cane and the dagger together, where nobody was around, so for me they are not the same, but duplicity on a short time. I cannot say no by this show. ( This is the reason why I love the show). The same for the wands he had collected. I saw them in another place.
For the digging, we cannot be sure that he was doing it before Emma cames. I hope we find that out shortly. I think he try to find all the stuff after he get his memory. (There is an interview, when he get his memory back, so it is not a theory: http://www.wetpaint.com/once-upon-a-time/articles/when-did-mr-gold-regain-his-rumplestiltskin-memories-on-once-upon-a-time)I agree with you that he planned everything in detail, because his plan works altough he was cursed for 28 years. He made sure he was at the right place when the Course hit and found a way that Emmas name was stucked in his head (little bit creepy, but useful) to awake before the others so he had time for digging and planning for the future.
After all writing you have convinced me that the cane is maybe something special. Altough I am not convinced it is the dagger or a wand, but maybe it was from the wood of his old stab (something personal comes to Storybrook or the one he was hitting the shelve at the dark castle or it is like a stab Cora was using that a part of ET was protected. He showed her magic, so it would be possibile that the cane is also such a stab amd come later into handy)
You open my world for new theories. Thank you. 😀 and goedenacht
Heros don't get their Happy Ending!
Guten Morgen 😀
Of course, despite all our theories, it may just be that the whole cane thing has not crossed the writers’ mind yet at all, and they are still figuring it out. We treat the story like it is set in stone, when in fact it is still being written.
Mr. Gold not having a first name makes perfect sense to me, a a tribute to the fairy tale where Rumpelstiltskin keeps his name a secret. But judging from an interview where they asked about it, they treated it more like an oversight.
So we will wait and see. And you can be sure that the writers will do anything to please us, but then add in a twist to surprise us. *wishes she was completely caught up with season 2, instead of half way through the first*goedendag!
You could be right, but they teaased to us that we get the name of Mr. Gold’s in season 2, As well of Prince Charming( he has 3 names to be called and non of them is his birthname. I never know how I should call him, maybe David Charming).
I hope we get a good explanation for him to use his cane and being limb. (act or not) But maybe we have to wait until season 3. It wouldn’t surprise me at all. Maybe it is easy like it was with Dragon ball. You know maybe Krillin. His biggest wish was always to have hair. Then he met C-18 and as his wife she told him not to shave his head. So maybe somebody will ask him about his leg and he will say simple: “I get used to it after 28 years and it fits to Mr. Gold!”, that would be definitely a surprise, no one would expect, altough I think that would not be the real reason behind it. Gold love secrets and is not 100 % honesty.Heros don't get their Happy Ending!
Rumpelstiltskin and a simple solution??? * cue evil Rumpel laughter* 😆 😆 😆 I’m pretty sure that’s OUAT blasphemy. No dearie, not possible. It’s not in his character…. and that’s why I love him so much, a complex thinker that is ten steps ahead.
Maybe we should starta new thread: Guess Gold’s name. with all sorts of horrible names… hmmm, maybe see if that thread already exists. Would be a fun contest.
This difference between pre-Dark-One Rumplestiltskin (limps, using a simple wooden staff), Dark One Rumple (agile like a trained athlete) and Storybrooke Mr Gold (while cursed and post cursed – limps, using the cane) is so visible, that I doubt that the writers haven’t given it any thought so far. It’s quite an essential mark of the character, of the different personalities of Rumple.
I like the idea, that the knife might be hidden in it, but unfortunaly it is unlikely – just look at the dimensions of the knife, the width of the blade. And in Broken (2×01) we can see him using the knife to summon the wraith while he is leaning on the cane.
Agree with SpinningGold, that Gold might have had access to magic in (still) cursed Storybrooke, regardless when he remembered that there is magic and that he is Rumple. Gold’s shop is full of stuff, and like Regina’s trinkets she brought with her, there probably have been some things carrying magic in Gold’s shop. But, before the curse was broken that was all magic that was there, littel bits captured in things. Wouldn’t see curing his leg high on the list of Gold to use up that little bit of magic. And the same view I have when it comes to create the curse. That Dark Curse was pretty sure some complicate thing, avoiding limping was something rather unimportant to have in it.
Why doesn’t Gold heal himself now, that there is more magic in Storybrooke? Is there something to heal, or something he could heal? Don’t think it is all an act to appear less threatening, although agree he might use it to fool people into believing he is not much of a physical match to any of them, nevertheless think he is limping for real. But that doesn’t have to mean there is (still) a physical reason for it, it could be mental.
We don’t know when Rumple started limping, what happened. Could be he was indeed injured, but doubt that happened in a fight in the Ogre war, otherwise people wouldn’t have called him a coward. They seemed to care little even, that Rumple was having a bad leg. Hook certainly didn’t care, he challenged to fight a man obviously physically no match to him, with a physical handicap and no experience in sword fighting (what an honorable code pirates have). And at least Rumple made it sound like there was little to no empathy from the villagers or town people. It made me wonder, if Rumple’s leg was injured in some very foolish, clumsy way, if that was what saved him from having to fight as some food soldier, if people evenutally thought he inflicted an injury on himself, if maybe he even did it himself to not fight – people do a lot of things out of fear or being desperate out of whatever reason. Could as well be, that Rumple was limping all his life, but that limping was something recruiters of the Duke at some point didn’t take as a reason anymore to be exclude froms serving as soldier. I don’t have an answer, how it happend that Rumple started limping, but I think knowing how would help to understand why Mr. Gold is still limping.
I suspect by now at least it is more of a mental thing. Could be a way to excuse himself. Because he has a bad leg he can’t do all the things a man, a good father normally can do, or should be able to do. I am not saying, there is anything a father should be able to do besides loving his children, but societies have images and create expectations, how a person should behave to fullfil a role, and we internalize many of these expectations. Not even saying, someone with a bad leg can’t do pretty much everything like someone with two uninjured legs. But Rumple might have felt for a long time, that he was failing the people he love, and the limping is as much an expression of failing to do what he thinks a capable man would do, as much as an excuse to fall back onto to avoid any profound reflection, why else he might have done some things or not done. It’s as strange as it might sound the easy way out. A crutch to lean on. As magic is a crutch too.
In other words: the limping is a habit. Something he relys on to make him feel secure. Nothing he does all on purpose, it’s a coping mechanism.
(and if anyone wondered, I do use the different names to distinguish between the different personalities of Rumpel / Mr. Gold, although maybe not always consistently)
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@SpinningGold wrote:
It is her name that brings his memory back. He make it that way by himself. In the first episode he says: “Emma what a lovely name.” and goes outside with a smile. This is the second he get his memory back.
As far as I know that’s a theory, and I don’t buy it. Rumpelstiltskin’s memory might be vague in parts, but I think he has squirreled away clues for himself throughout Storybrooke, that’s why is always digging away in the forrest, looking for whatever he has put there that can further his plan. How else would he know saying please to Regina always works. It has taken him 300 years to perfect the curse and 28 yrs to get ready for Emma’s arrival. He’s ready.
That’s not a theory, it’s fact. Kitsis and Horowitz have confirmed many times that Rumple only got his memory back when he heard Emma’s name at Granny’s. He had no memory prior to this nor did he have any magic. That’s why he had the squid ink in his jail cell back in the Enchanted Forest. The more he wrote Emma’s name, the greater the chances he’d remember it once he heard it in Storybrooke.
As for always burying things out in the wood, he was only out there once, when he buried his dagger to keep it out of Regina’s reach. That was well after Emma came to town and his memory returned.
I don’t think we can compare the cane to the dagger because there seems to be continuity errors when displaying the dagger. Last season, in Desperate Souls, we saw two sides of the dagger. One with name spelled hilt to tip and the other side with name spelled tip to hilt. This season, in Broken, when he summons the Wraith, dagger has name hilt to tip and on reversed side no name but ornate decoration.
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A crutch to lean on. As magic is a crutch too.
That’s exactly what I meant. We are talking about fairy tales here and fairy tales are designed to teach us lessons through metaphors. It would be completely logical to use the cane in this way: The magic is his crutch, the cane is a crutch, therefor the cane contains magic. Th
And I also completely agree with you, pre-Dark Rumpel saw himself as a bad father, even though he was the most loving father you can imagine, who would have given his life for his son. But people saw him as a coward and therefor he did not see himself as a good role model for his son, and that weighed heavy on him. I think by what the soldier called him: HobbleFoot it was probably a birth defect, clubfoot, for which he was bullied his entire life. The Duke would not have cared, he was not looking for fighters, but for canon fodder. And it could be why young Rumpel ran. If you know you are not gonna make it out, you might think twice about running into battle. Rumpel’s strength is his wits, which he puts to good use always, his intellegence makes him see ahead, but he is also smart enough to run when it is hopeless. Unfortunately, that is seen as cowardice, and not appreciated.
Last season, in Desperate Souls, we saw two sides of the dagger. One with name spelled hilt to tip and the other side with name spelled tip to hilt. This season, in Broken, when he summons the Wraith, dagger has name hilt to tip and on reversed side no name but ornate decoration.
Hey! He did a Voldemort horcrux thingy and split the dagger in two? Possebilities, possebilities. *grins*
@SpinningGold wrote:
Hey! He did a Voldemort horcrux thingy and split the dagger in two? Possebilities, possebilities. *grins*[/quote]
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@SpinningGold wrote:
A crutch to lean on. As magic is a crutch too.
That’s exactly what I meant. We are talking about fairy tales here and fairy tales are designed to teach us lessons through metaphors. It would be completely logical to use the cane in this way: The magic is his crutch, the cane is a crutch, therefor the cane contains magic. Th
Think we’re talking about different ideas, or draw different conclusions. I was talking about a crutch in a psychological sense. So I used it as a metaphor, right, but as a picture, that Rumple / Mr. Gold thinks he needs something outside of him to rely on, to lean on, something to distance himself from his own actions and maybe feelings, something to help him copy with his feelings of guilt and failure. That is not a conscious decision, it’s a psychological mechanism and process, something Rumpel isn’t controlling. I see the limping as a habit (by now), thus he still needs a cane. In a similiar way magic has become a (psychologcial) crutch to him.
It’s not logical to me to make the cane a magical object. I don’t think it’s magical at all.
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