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"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
What if it is connected with why she wants the Snowing baby?
In the Sleeping Beauty myth, the fairies bless the baby with the best qualities, well, wouldn’t you think courage, heart, and brains just about the best thing you would want the perfect kid to have?It’s all lovely until that Maleficient showed up and cursed the kid of course–but anyway, the idea of a fairy godmother granting unusual characteristics as a blessing, perhaps Wicked is trying to raise Ozma.
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
OMG that manip of Charming! 😆
I think the Zelena need the courage as away of controlling Charming should the need arise.
I could see that.
I’ve got Rumple pegged as the Scarecrow. If she’s collecting tokens to control an aspect of those individuals, she’s got Rumple’s dagger and thus controls his brain.
So the only one left is the Tin Man and a heart, and by the look of the promo she may well have some control over Neal’s heart. Though if she’s just collecting tokens, I dunno that she’s gonna rip out his heart. As some have been speculating in another thread, perhaps the token to control Neal’s heart could be Emma’s swan pendant.
I think cowardly lion, tinman and scarecrow lived in Oz in the past and Zelena used them to perform magic (maybe a curse?). If she wants to do this again she would need those three again and now she’s trying to get them in Storybrook.
What if it is connected with why she wants the Snowing baby?
In the Sleeping Beauty myth, the fairies bless the baby with the best qualities, well, wouldn’t you think courage, heart, and brains just about the best thing you would want the perfect kid to have? It’s all lovely until that Maleficient showed up and cursed the kid of course–but anyway, the idea of a fairy godmother granting unusual characteristics as a blessing, perhaps Wicked is trying to raise Ozma.Zelena would give good qualities to the kid. that makes her a good fairy! I don’t think thats her goal because it wouldn’t be really bad or dangerous.
I’ve got Rumple pegged as the Scarecrow. If she’s collecting tokens to control an aspect of those individuals, she’s got Rumple’s dagger and thus controls his brain.
Hadn’t thought of it that way. That’s possibility, though I feel like that leaves Belle out and her biggest trait are her brains/book knowledge. She’s the one that read about Oz.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"It does leave Belle out, but the Lion, Scarecrow and Tin Man were all male character closely tied to Dorothy, and Charming, Rumple and Neal are all male members of Emma’s family, so it’d tie everything to together nicely if they’re trying to sort of parallel the original story with present day.
It does leave Belle out, but the Lion, Scarecrow and Tin Man were all male character closely tied to Dorothy, and Charming, Rumple and Neal are all male members of Emma’s family, so it’d tie everything to together nicely if they’re trying to sort of parallel the original story with present day.
That’s true. And if Henry is Toto (loyalty) then it might explain the fight they have in 319 where she yells about “being his mom”
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"At this time I am not convinced Charming is the cowardly lion.
No he’s not. She isn’t turning them into those characters. They are the *REVERSE* characters. And Zelena is taking those traits that make up those classic characters. He isn’t the Cowardly Lion. He’s the brave lion, and now Zelena has a token of his heroism. Still don’t know why she wants it, but that’s the goal—take the traits from those who have it most.
It not just that, if this is what the writer are aiming for than this would be the worst twist in the show. Heck it even worse than Snow pulling out “Fake” Excalibur, because the point of the story of oz that you don’t need any kind of symbol to brain, courage or heart that the individual always had it within them the entire time. If anything I can see some sort of psychological damage being done, but having magic be the cause feels like a cheat.
Beside I had to put my money on anyone being these character it would be Rumple, because he actually believes himself believe he a coward, he deserve not to be loved, and now we are seeing him loose his mind. If it isn’t Rumple then they should be their own character they are popular enough for it.
Trust me I feel bad for not supporting this theory, since I know there are though that do. I keep thinking about the cowardly lion and how even when he proved he had courage he still believe himself to be a coward. Despite what everyone around him think he still believe himself to be a coward. This isn’t a character who lost courage, because of magic, but a chracter who believe he never had it.
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I really like the idea of Zelena taking symbols of the classic characters’ traits. So in that context, I agree that Charming is the Cowardly Lion.
I can see how Belle’s brain suggests she might be the Scarecrow, but I think Rumple is the Scarecrow. He was always very smart also and now he has lost his mind (i.e. “brain”) and this could be symbolized by his dagger.
So who is the Tin Man? Regina would be an obvious association with hearts, but since Regina is apparently the main target of the curse, I don’t think she would also be one of the other characters. My next choice was Snow since she certainly has a good heart and the spot of darkness revealed when Regina ripped out her heart could also be a bit of foreshadowing. I initially ruled out Henry because they already dealt with him losing his heart in Neverland and Regina cast that spell to prevent anyone from taking his heart again.
But now I’m wondering if I took the heart idea too literally and Henry might be the Tin Man after all. What if Zelena arranges for Henry to meet a little girl named Dorothy and he develops a crush on her so he “loses his heart” in the metaphorical sense? We saw the storybook surrounded by the smoke at the end of “Going Home” so we expect it to appear again in Storybrooke. The book might be the symbol of his heart. Henry might discard the book for Zelena to take if Dorothy teased him about being too old for fairy tales.
On the other hand, I also like the suggestion that Snow is the Tin Man, Emma is Dorothy, and Henry is Toto.
So who is the Tin Man? Regina would be an obvious association with hearts, but since Regina is apparently the main target of the curse, I don’t think she would also be one of the other characters. My next choice was Snow since she certainly has a good heart and the spot of darkness revealed when Regina ripped out her heart could also be a bit of foreshadowing. I initially ruled out Henry because they already dealt with him losing his heart in Neverland and Regina cast that spell to prevent anyone from taking his heart again. But now I’m wondering if I took the heart idea too literally and Henry might be the Tin Man after all. What if Zelena arranges for Henry to meet a little girl named Dorothy and he develops a crush on her so he “loses his heart” in the metaphorical sense? We saw the storybook surrounded by the smoke at the end of “Going Home” so we expect it to appear again in Storybrooke. The book might be the symbol of his heart. Henry might discard the book for Zelena to take if Dorothy teased him about being too old for fairy tales.
Personally, I think it’s Neal who will be the reverse Tin Man. His motivation is his love for Emma and Henry and Rumple. The Tin Man thought he didn’t have a heart but of course he was the most emotional of the three. And, in the movie at least, the placebo the wizard gave the Tin Man was a heart watch. I will admit this is stretchy but it’s possible the Swan Pendant, last seen in Manhattan in the bar scene, is Neal’s totem and that’s what Zelena takes.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
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