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Rationalize with law or magic any way you want, it comes down to this: how do the respective parties view each other.
Robin has called Marian his wife MANY TIMES and even said that he swore a (marriage) vow. He should have manned up and told Marian it was over and that he had moved on.
Regina has Marian Robin’s wife MANY TIMES and had to hear about how his vows meant something to him, until they didn’t.
Cheating is cheating. And this the romantizication of cheating. It’s cheap, it’s cliche, and it’s what every show under God’s blue sky does. It doesn’t make A and E right or good, it just means that I question “bold” storytelling.
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"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
Rationalize with law or magic any way you want, it comes down to this: how do the respective parties view each other. Robin has called Marian his wife MANY TIMES and even said that he swore a (marriage) vow. He should have manned up and told Marian it was over and that he had moved on. Regina has Marian Robin’s wife MANY TIMES and had to hear about how his vows meant something to him, until they didn’t. Cheating is cheating. And this the romantizication of cheating. It’s cheap, it’s cliche, and it’s what every show under God’s blue sky does.
I agree.
I know you are all sharing deep thoughts about relationships, morals, rights and wrongs, and I agree with most of them.
But here’s why I don’t ship OutlawQueen. I’m petty.
If a woman is strapping on her Jimmy Choo shoes, and her man asks if she’d like to come hang out at his place, his tent in the forest, to me, it’s just weird.
Plus, if Regina and Henry start reading Superman comics and the word Kryptonite (crypt tonight?) comes up, well…whatever.
But, like I said, I’m petty. I’m all for Regina enjoying an afternoon delight. But as a long term endgame, not so much.
Regardless, once that shattered glass starts spreading I think much of what’s been said in this thread will be reiterated by the good people in Storybrooke.
Agreeing with much that has been posted.
As a viewer who has gleefully adored the Regina character from day one with a “yummy, snarky and sometimes psychotic evil can be such twisted alternate universe delight” I have had no problem with her wanting to have someone to love/love her. She has shown achingly real moments of tortured pain about where her “lives” have brought her. And yes, she has done heinous acts of raging hatred and narcissist induced cruelty. She is nothing if not vibrantly passionate in evil and honor! (Rumple is cut from the same strong character cloth)
This show is rife with flawed and struggling characters who for a multitude of reasons appeal to very specific needs in the fans who adore them. Truly, to each their own flavors of romantic tastes. Opinions are very personal, yes, but quite valid in their own clearly stated and defined threads (as PoM has created) as long as accusatory points remain focused on the characters and not others’ tastes in couplings.
This particular viewer’s opinion of Outlaw Queen has gone from “hmmm, with Maid Marian established as gone, let’s see where they take this angle, it could be quite the intelligent, sassy romp” to…”lip curling, sleezy ICK”
For all her strong and formidable emotional turmoil and passions, Regina deserves an equally passionate and deep pairing with someone as fully complex and rich in character as she is. I don’t like Outlaw Queen because the ridiculously common and shallow development of the man they call Robin Hood (but who shows precious little of the established literary character of the man of solid legend) is a totally inferior pairing.
My eye rolling distaste of how the Writers have disrespected the legend aside, (it happens- their story, their control) this man is a shallow, common, soap opera jerk. They have written him into a very unappealing and somewhat pruriently crude, stereotyped dud.
***Always in search of a good flock***
Honestly the only way I think I can accept this pairing now is if they reveal that the Robin Hood we saw in Lacey isn’t the Robin Hood who fell for Regina (but they already stated it was, of course).
That Robin was Robin Hood. The pathetic, whimpering cheater who lets his “soul mate” be the Other Woman while his wife is frozen and in danger of death and his son is…hanging with Little John all night? is NOT the same man who risked Rumplestiltskin’s wrath to save his wife and son’s lives.
Keeper of Belle's Gold magic, sand dollar, cloaks, purple FTL outfit, spell scroll, library key, copy of Romeo and Juliet, and cry-muffling pillow, Rumple's doll, overcoat, and strength, and The Timeline. My spreadsheet: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6r8CySCCWd9R0RUNm4xR3RhMEU/view?usp=sharing
I don’t like Outlaw Queen because the ridiculously common and shallow development of the man they call Robin Hood (but who shows precious little of the established literary character of the man of solid legend) is a totally inferior pairing.
My eye rolling distaste of how the Writers have disrespected the legend aside, (it happens- their story, their control) this man is a shallow, common, soap opera jerk. They have written him into a very unappealing and somewhat pruriently crude, stereotyped dud.
To be fair they did the same thing with Peter Pan, Hook and Tink. Their story and Neverland had no basis on the original Peter Pan. They didn’t even “twist” it. It seemed like the origin story and the relationships was completely disregarded or skimmed over quickly. I love alternative versions of fairy tales. I’ve read enough fanfiction based on this idea to last a lifetime, but you need to keep your characters rooted somehow in the origin story. Season one did it beautifully. Now it’s just “Oh, let’s take this character and use their name and likeness.” This man might carry around a bow and answer to Robin, but he hasn’t exhibited any of the characteristics that make Robin Hood the beloved character of legend.
So it all comes down to the writing this season. Something is getting lost in translation from brainstorming to final script. I don’t blame actors, I won’t rant about them or how they perform the lines. It’s the writers who ruined this story and nobody else.
Keeper of Rumplestiltskin's and Neal's spears and war paint and crystal ball.
About to drop my theory off here before I head to bed….I’ve got that WickedSisters type of vibe with this one, and I’m not as ecstatic with it….Considering Sean Maguire/Robin is off the Once set for a while due to filming another movie, I’ve got the feeling that while some of Storybrooke is returning to the EF, Regina will send Robin home with Marian and Roland back to the EF around 4×11.
So congrats folks…you may not have to worry about OutlawQueen for much longer.
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
Hi guys!
Onceaholic here! First post!
I had been lurking for quite a while, but I now have a login ID (yey me!).
It’s a shame that my first post is going to be a complaint.
I am a big Regina and Lana Parrilla fan, and I ship Regina with any form of happiness, as long as it is well-deserved and doesn’t involve anyone getting hurt lol.
However, I agree with much of what has been said already here. (If I am repeating what others have said, I apologise).
During 3B, though I thought Outlaw Queen was rushed, and although I did not interpret their ”banter” in FTL as sexual attraction, (especially the scene in Rumple’s castle), I was willing to suspend my disbelief and say ”okay then, these two will be together…I’ll take it.” But then they throw this whole Marian debacle right at the end and I was sent into a flurry of desperate theories to see how on earth (or in any realm) this situation could be resolved. After all, Regina almost executed Marian in the current timeline, and it would not be fair on Roland to have his potential new step-mother as the woman who planned on killing his birth mother at some point in the past. It just wouldn’t be right, no matter how much R and R love each other, or how much Pixie Dust says som or how much Regina has changed. The only way to get out of this was for the writers to make Regina a more attractive (read: moral) option than Marian. This could have been something like Marian not being as good as she seems, such as being in league with an even nastier villain, or being say, Morgana herself but using a spell to change her form. (Which meant ruining one of my favourite legendary characters, but I was willing to do it for the sake of Regina lol).
No matter how soap-operary my ideas where, I wanted to see something like this on screen, as I just knew we would get something like what we have on screen right now otherwise. I just knew the writers would epically screw things up. Robin and Regina have not discussed the implications of her almost killing Marian in the past, Robin declared his love for Regina right next to his wife’s frozen body and Robin has done nothing but whine and then bang Regina in the vault (eew) since. Not once has he sat in the Mayor’s office for an hour or two to be a comfort to Marian (who still could have some form of consciousness), the mother of his child (and where the heck IS Roland, btw?) nor did he bother to check the other books in the library for a solution.
And that line he said to Regina in ep 7 that went something like: “I have always been good, honest and true but today is not one of those days.” If I man said this to me, I would tell him to stick it elsewhere. Seriously,
-So you are giving up your moral code to be with me? No thanks
-So you are giving up your sense of self to be with me? No thanks.
-So you are not being honest and true right now? You just want a one night stand? No thanks.
Nonsensical one-liner aside, if he truly loves Regina, surely his love for her will last another a couple more weeks before they can decide once and for all whether Marian is beyond saving? If she is then fine, if she is not and she wakes up then he should tell Marian how he feels AND THEN act upon it with Regina. He could stick to his code by telling Marian the truth (the honorable thing to do), AND follow his heart. Perhaps the writers were trying to show that he was just following his heart, but instead all I got from this was a horny man taking advantage of a lonely, hated woman whose feelings were genuine and who was doing her best to stay away from him so that she could heal. And Regina, oh Regina, why did you give in?
The foundation of their relationship just isn’t sound, and so I cannot get behind this pairing at all. I am now hoping that Robin is just a distraction and that Regina’s real Happy Ending will be with someone else. In fact, the way their paring has been written I strongly suspect two things, if I were to give the writers the benefit of the doubt:
1) The writers never intended for their relationship to continue anyway OR
2) The actress is planning for a baby or could be in very early pregnancy (though she currently looks as flat as a pancake) so they threw in a scene of them making tacos.
So this…
About to drop my theory off here before I head to bed….I’ve got that WickedSisters type of vibe with this one, and I’m not as ecstatic with it….Considering Sean Maguire/Robin is off the Once set for a while due to filming another movie, I’ve got the feeling that while some of Storybrooke is returning to the EF, Regina will send Robin home with Marian and Roland back to the EF around 4×11. So congrats folks…you may not have to worry about OutlawQueen for much longer.
…could be right.
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