Why I can't ship OutlawQueen

[PriceofMagic]

Hi guys!

Onceaholic here! First post!

It’s a great first post. Welcome to the forums!

Nonsensical one-liner aside, if he truly loves Regina, surely his love for her will last another a couple more weeks before they can decide once and for all whether Marian is beyond saving? If she is then fine, if she is not and she wakes up then he should tell Marian how he feels AND THEN act upon it with Regina. He could stick to his code by telling Marian the truth (the honorable thing to do), AND follow his heart. Perhaps the writers were trying to show that he was just following his heart, but instead all I got from this was a horny man taking advantage of a lonely, hated woman whose feelings were genuine and who was doing her best to stay away from him so that she could heal. And Regina, oh Regina, why did you give in?

I completely agree. It actually casts Robin in a very negative light when Regina actually shows more care and concern towards Marian than he does. The “previously on Once” clip doesn’t help matters when you have Regina say to Robin “If you TRULY want to save Marian then you have to forget about me” then it cuts to Robin kissing Regina. It makes it seem like he doesn’t give a crap about Marian at all and his whole attitude since Marian was frozen seems to prove that too.

I was rooting for Regina when she said to Henry about how she was going to move on and grab the next opportunity for a happy ending with both hands. That seemed like such a healthy and strong outlook. Regina was done moping about Robin, she was going to move on with her life. I dislike how OQ has reduced Regina to being the “other woman”. In a romantic relationship, Regina should be the ONLY woman not the second choice.

The foundation of their relationship just isn’t sound, and so I cannot get behind this pairing at all. I am now hoping that Robin is just a distraction and that Regina’s real Happy Ending will be with someone else.

I agree. I think Robin was important in the sense that it made Regina realise she was able to love again after Daniel. Hopefully she’ll realise when the right person comes along.

[WickedRegal]

onceaholic wrote:

Hi guys! Onceaholic here! First post!

It’s a great first post. Welcome to the forums!

The foundation of their relationship just isn’t sound, and so I cannot get behind this pairing at all. I am now hoping that Robin is just a distraction and that Regina’s real Happy Ending will be with someone else.

I agree. I think Robin was important in the sense that it made Regina realise she was able to love again after Daniel. Hopefully she’ll realise when the right person comes along.

Welcome Onceaholic!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I always get hyper whenever an Evil Regal joins the forums!!! Ecstatic to have you with us!!!!!!!!!

(Sigh) I just…I don’t know how they can get around the whole Soul Mate thing….maybe if they hadn’t put that in there, I could be more accepting in letting it go…but they’re confirmed soul mates…fated/destined to be together, prophesied to be together! Not letting that come to pass is like letting Voldemort kill Harry Potter, the boy who was prophesied to defeat him. I just…I don’t know how they can get around that without typhoons of backlash from fans.

Either way….this won’t end pretty, and I’m 99.9999999999999% sure that Regina sends Robin home to the EF with Roland and Marian.

"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor

[Josephine]

(Sigh) I just…I don’t know how they can get around the whole Soul Mate thing….maybe if they hadn’t put that in there, I could be more accepting in letting it go…but they’re confirmed soul mates…fated/destined to be together, prophesied to be together! Not letting that come to pass is like letting Voldemort kill Harry Potter, the boy who was prophesied to defeat him. I just…I don’t know how they can get around that without typhoons of backlash from fans.

But sometimes integrity, self-respect, family, responsibilities have to come first before romantic love, be it true love or not.

So I go back to what we’ve been talking about since season one. True Love. Soul mates. Whatever you call it. Yes, it’s the most powerful magic of all, but is everyone born with another half, like some cultures believe? We do know that “true love” is rare so evidently most of the plebeians will never experience it. The odds of finding your soul mate are astronomical. Does that mean their life has less value? They shouldn’t seek out love in other forms?

And is pixie dust really an infallible method of discovering who you should be with. (I’ve been listening to Rumple too long. I don’t trust those fairies.) If that’s the case, then why talk, court, flirt with others if you can get a little magic and cut out the crap in between? To quote Belle (who has her own major problems right now, but that’s another thread), “To me love is…love is layered. Love is a mystery to uncovered.” From the minute she saw that tattoo it changed the dynamic. In my opinion, OQ never went through that so now that they’re faced with this situation I can’t hold on to the “it’s preordained and the pixie dust is proof”. And maybe it’s my own personal beliefs seeping through. I don’t believe in ‘love at first sight’ so the thought that pixie dust, even in a fantasy, will lead you to the One and you know immediately is preposterous. I’m not saying that love can’t happen fast, sometimes it does quickly, but it being predestined I’m not that enamored of. So when this tenuous relationship is tested in such a spectacular way, I can’t fathom a way for it to succeed. And if I did, I no longer trust the show runners or writers to execute it successfully.

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[RumplesGirl]

maybe if they hadn’t put that in there, I could be more accepting in letting it go…but they’re confirmed soul mates

And that’s nice but at the cost of everything Jo just listed? Self respect if a big one for me. I don’t know how Robin and Regina can have self respect after this.

It goes back to something @Myril brought up someplace else…it’s dangerous to have labels like One True Love, True Love, and Soul Mates, because one you label something as “one and only” then it stops you from looking for happiness elsewhere if “one and only” doesn’t work out.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[WickedRegal]

Seems like both OutlawQueen and CaptainSwan will be getting the boot if this is true….

This…Won’t…End….Pretty

"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor

[Keb]

The way they’ve set up OQ to have no real happy ending (it’s not happy if Marian has to die/lose her family just so Regina can have sexycrypttimes, I’m sorry, it’s not) has made me begin to wonder if they are going to make it a temporary ship. I just can’t see it being endgame the way it’s set up right now.

So…theories on what might happen if/when it ends?

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[TheWatcher]

So…theories on what might happen if/when it ends?

I think Regina gets her father back. For reasons. Through everything he was the one who stuck by her and encouraged her to…. Let it go 😛 to forget her grudge against Snow, turn away from magic, and just leave a peaceful life elsewhere. Then she killed him, the thing she loves most, all for a curse. I think if romantic love isn’t in the cards for Regina, atleast having him back will do her a world of good.

"I could have the giant duck as my steed!" --Daniel Radcliffe
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[Keb]

I’d love to see Henry Sr. revived somehow…but if he can be revived, would that mean Daniel, Neal, and a host of others might return?

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[RumplesGirl]

I’d love to see Henry Sr. revived somehow…but if he can be revived, would that mean Daniel, Neal, and a host of others might return?

No.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[Myril]

So I go back to what we’ve been talking about since season one. True Love. Soul mates. Whatever you call it. Yes, it’s the most powerful magic of all, but is everyone born with another half, like some cultures believe? We do know that “true love” is rare so evidently most of the plebeians will never experience it. The odds of finding your soul mate are astronomical. Does that mean their life has less value? They shouldn’t seek out love in other forms?

Why should true love, soul mates be anything rare in the first place? That is something I don’t understand. I get, that we humans have the tendency to value only what is rare, which in plenty of cases is unreasonable, because things like oxygen and clear water are valuable for our lives, necessary regardless, even if there would be an endless amount of it, and I see love the same way. All this discrimination of different forms of love IMO keeps us way to often from giving and finding love, it is the biggest obstacle humans have fallen for on the way to experience happiness. Love is no daimond, no gold, no fetish, no currency to trade with, it should be a free and amazing gift we can give any time. It’s up to us to give love, and not something to find like some ripe apple to be taken (an apple grown in hard labor by a tree, and at worst a tree we never cared to take care of). It is the biggest issue I have with all these ideas of true love, one true love, soul mates and whatever: it’s a view of exclusiveness and limitations instead of an idea of human liberation and enlightenment. I find it ironic, that this limiting view on love seems to be particular pronounced in cultures, which were influenced and build by religions claiming to revolve around love. And if taking a closer look on fairy tales, true love is not a pixie dust thing but something the hero, protagonist has to earn, (though the object of true love is sometimes pretty much that, more of an object and not a subject acting in their own person).

Not even inside the OUaT worlds true love seems to be really a rarity unless it serves a plot or pushes a character into drama.

OutlawQueen shows IMO everything that is wrong with this modern, romantic concept of true love and soul mates. It mistakes desires, lust and attraction for love.

And they say, the show is about hope. What hope is that, if it’s about being one of the few lucky people to find this rare item called true love? It should be about hope, that everyone can give and receive love, or find if you prefer that term, that no matter what life throws at you, there always still is a chance, a way out of misery, out of darkness, to experience love and create happiness. You have to work on it, it doesn’t come by some pixie dust or whatever kind of magic, but it can be accomblished.

“Fairy tales do not give the child his first idea of bogey. What fairy tales give the child is his first clear idea of the possible defeat of bogey. The baby has known the dragon intimately ever since he had an imagination. What the fairy tale provides for him is a St. George to kill the dragon.” G.K. Chesterton

Now we might be sometimes wrong in who we perceive as the dragon and who as St. George, and things might be a bit more complex, so slaying the dragon might be not always the only and not always the best solution. OUaT probably wanted to show something of that, but think they failed doing so. The problem I have with Regina for example is not what or the extend of what she did (although it makes it quite hard to see any redemption in the future), but they don’t really let her work on it. It comes like some magic blow, spell, and that is not showing hope but creating mere illusions. Aside that Regina’s fits, that people don’t love her whatever she does, and her ongoing focus on getting a happy ending for herself shows me, she hasn’t learned that much yet. But that is another discussion.

Well, maybe they let Regina give up Robin, send him away, or whatever, and let her own the growth she has begun to show for a change – I would consider that a happy ending of this moment of Regina’s life. But the happy family time for Marian and Robin is destroyed, there is no (easy) way back to happy ever after for Marian and Robin together, at least not without some very, very hard work on Robin’s side. They turned Robin into a jerk of the worst kind, and no memory erasure spell could change that.

I think Regina gets her father back. For reasons. Through everything he was the one who stuck by her and encouraged her to…. Let it go

Regina should have to live with the consequences of her actions. She killed her father, she has to live with that. Bringing back her father would be an easy way out IMO, only an illusion of a happy ending created by magic and not earned. It would be as wrong as this whole pixie dust soul mate mess is.

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