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“Built” is such a subjective word. CS are probably going to be endgame, it’s too late to change that at this point especially if season 6 or 7 is the last, but CS didn’t come about naturally. It was forced by the writers because certain vocal fans demanded it. A flashing neon sign would’ve been more subtle.
It won’t be King George. George is dead. He starved to death off-screen in the mines where Charming dumped him before jetting off to Neverland for a week without telling anyone about George being in the mines. What’s worse is both of George’s hands were tied so he wouldn’t have been able to do anything for himself.
CS didn’t come naturally? I would say that’s just completely ignoring canon. CS was born in Tallahassee when they purposely paralleled SF flashbacks w/ CS in the present. It’s grown very much since then. It was not forced on anybody. Do you know whom are the people that claim this? The same ones that are still bitter Neal died.
IDK why King George can’t be the murderer based on what you said. You are aware Charming’s father was murdered in the EF and not in SB correct? Cause based on what you said…you somehow think Charming’s father died while in SB and that’s not possible.
Hook very well could die or split from Emma. Unless you know what the writers have planned. Afterall, other characters who had relevance in the story and were built up died with absolutely no payoff at all.
Let me guess, you somehow think Neal is going to be miraculously resurrected in the finale don’t you?
Hook is not a Neal, Robin, or anyone else that has died. He’s actually relevant. If I was to place money on somebody that was gonna die this season it would be Zelena. Because she is the definition of irrelevant right now.
In fact, I’d go so far as to propose that Emma and Hook were definitively revealed not to have true love in season five whenever their kiss failed to break Emma’s dark one curse (on multiple occasions) or when Emma failed to share her heart with Hook in season 5b. I know CS fans will point at the “true love shove” as “evidence” that Emma and Hook share real love, but in my estimation, all it revealed was that Emma’s heart has true love because she <em style=”box-sizing: border-box; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, serif; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0.74902);”>is the product of true love. It was just ambiguously written enough that people will interpret it according to their prior assumptions. While I don’t think A&E are especially gifted writers, I think they’re just talented enough to keep people guessing and debatin
Well the show completely contradicted your POV on multiple occassions.
For someone whom pays attention to “canon” you sure are ignoring some pretty big things.
1. They gave specific reasons within the episode as to why those kisses did not work. The first one was that Emma did not think anything was wrong with her. The second failed one was specifically stated by Rumple. Emma liked the darkness, and the power charge she got from it. That’s why that kiss did not work.
2. Emma failed to share her heart with Hook because as the show stated Hook was a rotting corpse in SB. The only reason the Snowing one was successful was because Charming was dead for a very small amount of time. This was stated in dialogue.
3. “True love shove”, funny because the people that say that are the ones that like to mock CS and say that Emma and Regina are a romantic pairing. But enough about that, it’s not only CS fans though. The entire cast including Adam and Eddy spent the entire time at Comic Con reinforcing that Emma and Hook are true love. So not that ambiguous seeing as they point blank said it loud and clear at CC, and Jennifer and Colin said it in basically every interview.
[adrotate group="5"]For someone whom pays attention to “canon” you sure are ignoring some pretty big things.
1. They gave specific reasons within the episode as to why those kisses did not work. The first one was that Emma did not think anything was wrong with her. The second failed one was specifically stated by Rumple. Emma liked the darkness, and the power charge she got from it. That’s why that kiss did not work.
That is a stated reason in the show, and you can take it at face value. I think that all of the failed attempts at TLK are quite telling and still open to interpretation, however. Emma might just have been telling herself that was the reason, and the Rumple in her head was a manifestation of the darkness speaking. Was it the true reason that Emma’s curse wasn’t broken though? Emma did feel the lure of the darkness, but if anyone was ready to overcome darkness for good, it was Emma Swan, the savior, the product of true love, and wielder of light magic. Dark magic isn’t her true love the the way it is for Rumple, nor was she addicted to it, and I think if Emma had kissed Henry while she was still cursed, then her dark one curse would have been broken. (The fact that Emma didn’t even try kissing Henry on the forehead was just due to plot in my opinion). Emma was ready and willing to get rid of the darkness once and for all and was on the threshold of doing so before Hook started bleeding and she saved him with dark magic. Emma was ready to be rid of the dark one curse forever in Camelot. There were also other failed attempts at TLK back in SB, and Hook expressed surprise that it “didn’t bloody work” when he tried to break her curse with his kiss. By the time Emma was back in SB and fooling everyone, she wanted to help Hook overcome the darkness with the strength of their love, but Hook rejected her as the dark one. Emma implored him and tried to get him to see that they were able to overcome it together, but instead he turned on her and tried to have her family mass murdered. Also, there was that time in season three when Hook’s lips were cursed due to his “selfish plea” on Emma Swan’s name, and instead of it being broken, it drained Emma of her true love magic, the thing that makes her special.
2. Emma failed to share her heart with Hook because as the show stated Hook was a rotting corpse in SB. The only reason the Snowing one was successful was because Charming was dead for a very small amount of time. This was stated in dialogue.
Why didn’t Emma try sharing her heart with Hook right away before his body was carried off? I think the writers want to keep this one open to debate, the way we’re doing now. Why not just show Emma sharing her heart with Hook to quiet anyone who doubts if their love is kind of love that Emma’s parents share? The writers had the chance to show Emma and Hook share true love unambiguously, either by heart sharing or by true love’s kiss, but the writers didn’t do that, leaving many still skeptical.
3. “True love shove”, funny because the people that say that are the ones that like to mock CS and say that Emma and Regina are a romantic pairing.
I’m not shipper of Emma and Regina romantically, so I don’t really see what the relevance of that point is. You seem convinced that most of us here blindly hate on Hook while turning a blind eye to the misdeeds of Regina and Rumple. No, I hold Regina, Rumple and Hook all equally accountable for their sins, and I don’t ship Emma and Regina romantically. While I do think Emma and Regina love each other, I think it’s as friends and family members. Emma clearly sacrificed herself to spare Regina from becoming the dark one. Also, if we’re going strictly by canon, Neal and Emma shared true love, as evidence by the swan pendant crossing realms twice because it was born out of true love. But CS fans don’t like to admit it and claim it’s just Belle’s opinion. Again, it’s a matter of interpretation.
But enough about that, it’s not only CS fans though. The entire cast including Adam and Eddy spent the entire time at Comic Con reinforcing that Emma and Hook are true love. So not that ambiguous seeing as they point blank said it loud and clear at CC, and Jennifer and Colin said it in basically every interview.
I’m very aware that the cast have called CS true love but that just may be the party line. The scene was written in a very ambiguous way open to interpretation. Hades and Zelena and Ruby and Dorothy shared true love’s kiss in the same half season, verifiably demonstrating they those couples had true love, but I’ve yet to see irrefutable proof that Hook and Emma have true love. For all the kissing that Emma and Hook do on screen, I still haven’t seen them share TLK — not once. Emma and Hook’s curse didn’t even start to break the way that Rumple’s did when he and Belle kissed in Skin Deep–up until Rumple pulled away because it was working. Until such time that I see Emma and Hook share TLK on screen, I’m not going to call it true love. You can have your own take on it, and I can have mine. The script is open to interpretation still as far as I’m concerned.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
“Built” is such a subjective word. CS are probably going to be endgame, it’s too late to change that at this point especially if season 6 or 7 is the last, but CS didn’t come about naturally. It was forced by the writers because certain vocal fans demanded it. A flashing neon sign would’ve been more subtle.
It won’t be King George. George is dead. He starved to death off-screen in the mines where Charming dumped him before jetting off to Neverland for a week without telling anyone about George being in the mines. What’s worse is both of George’s hands were tied so he wouldn’t have been able to do anything for himself.
CS didn’t come naturally? I would say that’s just completely ignoring canon. CS was born in Tallahassee when they purposely paralleled SF flashbacks w/ CS in the present. It’s grown very much since then. It was not forced on anybody. Do you know whom are the people that claim this? The same ones that are still bitter Neal died.
IDK why King George can’t be the murderer based on what you said. You are aware Charming’s father was murdered in the EF and not in SB correct? Cause based on what you said…you somehow think Charming’s father died while in SB and that’s not possible.
Hook very well could die or split from Emma. Unless you know what the writers have planned. Afterall, other characters who had relevance in the story and were built up died with absolutely no payoff at all.
Let me guess, you somehow think Neal is going to be miraculously resurrected in the finale don’t you?
Hook is not a Neal, Robin, or anyone else that has died. He’s actually relevant. If I was to place money on somebody that was gonna die this season it would be Zelena. Because she is the definition of irrelevant right now.
In fact, I’d go so far as to propose that Emma and Hook were definitively revealed not to have true love in season five whenever their kiss failed to break Emma’s dark one curse (on multiple occasions) or when Emma failed to share her heart with Hook in season 5b. I know CS fans will point at the “true love shove” as “evidence” that Emma and Hook share real love, but in my estimation, all it revealed was that Emma’s heart has true love because she <em style=”box-sizing: border-box; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, serif; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0.74902);”>is the product of true love. It was just ambiguously written enough that people will interpret it according to their prior assumptions. While I don’t think A&E are especially gifted writers, I think they’re just talented enough to keep people guessing and debatin
Well the show completely contradicted your POV on multiple occassions.
For someone whom pays attention to “canon” you sure are ignoring some pretty big things.
1. They gave specific reasons within the episode as to why those kisses did not work. The first one was that Emma did not think anything was wrong with her. The second failed one was specifically stated by Rumple. Emma liked the darkness, and the power charge she got from it. That’s why that kiss did not work.
2. Emma failed to share her heart with Hook because as the show stated Hook was a rotting corpse in SB. The only reason the Snowing one was successful was because Charming was dead for a very small amount of time. This was stated in dialogue.
3. “True love shove”, funny because the people that say that are the ones that like to mock CS and say that Emma and Regina are a romantic pairing. But enough about that, it’s not only CS fans though. The entire cast including Adam and Eddy spent the entire time at Comic Con reinforcing that Emma and Hook are true love. So not that ambiguous seeing as they point blank said it loud and clear at CC, and Jennifer and Colin said it in basically every interview.
The way you’ve quoted things makes it look like I said all those things when in fact you’ve got quotes from TheWatcher and Slurpeez in there as well. Make sure you quote the right people, yeah?
First off, my mind completely blanked on you referring to King George as the murderer of Charming’s father. For some reason I thought you meant King George murdering one of the regulars because we were talking about there being a death before the show ends. That’s an error on my part. George could be Charming’s father’s murderer, however he wasn’t even aware that Charming or his family existed until James died. Rumple got him James but wouldn’t have said where he came from so I think its unlikely, plus we’ve not seen George since season 2.
Secondly, you need to cut the attitude. It’s one thing to defend your ship, it’s quite another to speak down to people just because they disagree with your ship.
Thirdly, CS did have chemistry in Tallahassee, then they had Hook betray Emma to Cora and leave her to die. When Hook got to Storybrooke, they had him torture Archie and shoot Belle. Both were innocents who hadn’t done any harm to Hook. Hook followed Emma to new York and pushed her into a wall so he could stab Rumple. He betrayed Regina to GOAT without a care before changing his mind and going to Neverland with the Nevengers. In Neverland Hook spent the majority of his time more interested in getting in Emma’s pants than he was in helping Henry (This was a major disservice to Hook’s character as Neverland should’ve been Hook’s chance to shine but instead he was reduced to a love triangle). 3B, He spends his time chasing after Emma despite her showing no interest, she eventually gives in during the 3B finale. In 4A, despite being with Emma, Hook acted shady with trying to blackmail Rumple then didn’t like it when it backfired on him. 4B, Hook was relegated to boyfriend patrol. 5A Hook turned on Emma as the dark one and wanted to send her and her family to hell. You can’t say “it was the darkness not him” otherwise you have to extend that excuse to Rumple’s actions as well since he was the dark one from 3B-4B. Rumple was still capable of love as the dark one. 5B, Hook was boyfriend patrol again and got resurrected because he’s Hook. 6A has actually been an improvement because Hook is showing some genuine effort in trying to make amends particularly with Belle. Essentially there is no reason why Emma would’ve given Hook the time of day as a romance before 6A but they were thrown together because a certain vocal part of the OUAT fandom demanded it. It wasn’t built up to. OQ suffers from similar lazy writing. If the writers wanted CS together from the start, then maybe they should’ve thrown out some more Tallahassee like episodes where you actually see the chemistry between the two and have Hook be more like he is in 6A. 6A Hook needed to happen several seasons ago, at the very least in 3B.
Fourthly, the fact that you claim Neal dying is the only reason people don’t like CS because they’re “bitter” implies that the thought of SF still bothers you. SF was probably the biggest hurdle to CS and, despite two and a half seasons passing since then, you don’t seem to accept that people can dislike CS for other reasons beside Neal. Ironically killing off Neal was the worst thing to happen to CS because Emma never chose Hook over Neal. Neal was taken out of the equation, leaving Hook as the only option left. It does beg the question as to WHY Neal was killed off instead of having Emma and Neal move on from each other.
Fifthly, nobody expects Neal to be magically resurrected because the writers have ballsed up the show enough without further complicating matters. People don’t like CS but they’ve accepted it at this point, why the hell would the writers throw the love triangle back into the mix?
Sixthly, Hook’s not going to die. He’s not important enough for a big show ending death plus they threw aside the “dead is dead” rule for him so I seriously doubt they’d kill him off for good.
Seventhly, TLK should’ve at least started to work. It began to work on Rumple in Skin Deep and he definitely “liked the darkness”. Saying it didn’t work at all because Emma “liked the darkness” is rubbish.
Eighthly, The heart share failure because Hook was a rotting corpse doesn’t make sense when it comes to Hook’s resurrection. Assuming it was just Hook’s soul in the Underworld (which then begs the question how the regulars’ physical bodies could be in the Underworld), when Hook was brought back was his soul just made corporeal or was it just put back in his physical body? Hook didn’t look like he’d just crawled out of his own grave. Is there still a rotting Hook corpse buried in Storybrooke graveyard?
Finally, the fact that A&E plus JMo and Colin constantly have to “reinforce” that Hook and Emma are “true love” says quite a lot about the writing. The audience shouldn’t have to be TOLD they’re true love, they should be SHOWN it. Every chance the writers had to show that CS is true love, they didn’t take it. Doesn’t it make you wonder why?
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixFor someone whom pays attention to “canon” you sure are ignoring some pretty big things.
1. They gave specific reasons within the episode as to why those kisses did not work. The first one was that Emma did not think anything was wrong with her. The second failed one was specifically stated by Rumple. Emma liked the darkness, and the power charge she got from it. That’s why that kiss did not work.
That is a stated reason in the show, and you can take it at face value. I think that all of the failed attempts at TLK are quite telling and still open to interpretation. Emma might just have been telling herself that was the reason, and the Rumple in her head was a manifestation of the darkness speaking. Was it the true reason that Emma’s curse wasn’t broken though? Emma did feel the lure of the darkness, but if anyone was ready to overcome darkness for good, it was Emma Swan, the savior, the product of true love, and wielder of light magic. Dark magic isn’t her true love the the way it is for Rumple, nor was she addicted to it, and I think if Emma had kissed Henry while she was still cursed, then her dark one curse would have been broken. (The fact that Emma didn’t even try kissing Henry on the forehead was just due to plot in my opinion). Emma was ready and willing to get rid of the darkness once and for all and was on the threshold of doing so before Hook started bleeding and she saved him with dark magic. Emma was ready to be rid of the dark one curse forever in Camelot. There were also other failed attempts at TLK back in SB, and Hook expressed surprise that it “didn’t bloody work” when he tried to break her curse with his kiss. By the time Emma was back in SB and fooling everyone, she wanted to help Hook overcome the darkness with the strength of their love, but Hook rejected her as the dark one. Emma implored him and tried to get him to see that they were able to overcome it together, but instead he turned on her and tried to have her family mass murdered. Also, there was that time in season three when Hook’s lips were cursed due to his “selfish plea” on Emma Swan’s name, and instead of it being broken, it drained Emma of her true love magic, the thing that makes here special.
2. Emma failed to share her heart with Hook because as the show stated Hook was a rotting corpse in SB. The only reason the Snowing one was successful was because Charming was dead for a very small amount of time. This was stated in dialogue.
Why didn’t Emma try sharing her heart with Hook right away before his body was carried off? I think the writers want to keep this one open to debate, the way we’re doing now. Why not just show Emma sharing her heart with Hook to quiet anyone who doubts if their love is kind of love that Emma’s parents share? The writers could have shown us once and for all but for some reason decided not to. Probably it’s to keep people doubting and guessing until the end.
3. “True love shove”, funny because the people that say that are the ones that like to mock CS and say that Emma and Regina are a romantic pairing.
I’m not shipper of Emma and Regina romantically, so I don’t really see what the relevance of that point is. You seem convinced that most of us here blindly hate on Hook while turning a blind eye to the misdeeds of Regina and Rumple. No, I hold Regina, Rumple and Hook all equally accountable for their sins, and I don’t ship Emma and Regina romantically. While I do think Emma and Regina love each other, I think it’s as friends and family members. Emma clearly sacrificed herself to spare Regina from becoming the dark one, and true love is sacrifice. Also, if we’re going strictly by canon, Neal and Emma shared true love, as evidence by the swan pendant crossing realms twice because it was born out of true love. But CS fans don’t like to admit it and claim it’s just Belle’s opinion. Again, it’s a matter of interpretation, but probably you won’t see it that way.
But enough about that, it’s not only CS fans though. The entire cast including Adam and Eddy spent the entire time at Comic Con reinforcing that Emma and Hook are true love. So not that ambiguous seeing as they point blank said it loud and clear at CC, and Jennifer and Colin said it in basically every interview.
I’m very aware that the cast have called CS true love but that just may be the party line. The scene was written in a very ambiguous way open to interpretation. Hades and Zelena and Ruby and Dorothy shared true love’s kiss in the same half season, demonstrating they those couple for sure had true love, but I’ve yet to see irrefutable proof that Hook and Emma have true love. For all the kissing that Emma and Hook do on screen, I still haven’t seen them share TLK — not once. Emma and Hook’s didn’t even start to break the cruse the way it did for Rumple and Belle in Skin Deep before Rumple pulled away. Until such time that I see Emma and Hook share TLK on screen, I’m not going to call it true love. You can have your own take on it, and I can have mine. The script is open to interpretation still as far as I’m concerned.
Totally agree.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixFor someone whom pays attention to “canon” you sure are ignoring some pretty big things. 1. They gave specific reasons within the episode as to why those kisses did not work. The first one was that Emma did not think anything was wrong with her. The second failed one was specifically stated by Rumple. Emma liked the darkness, and the power charge she got from it. That’s why that kiss did not work.
That is a stated reason in the show, and you can take it at face value. I think that all of the failed attempts at TLK are quite telling and still open to interpretation, however. Emma might just have been telling herself that was the reason, and the Rumple in her head was a manifestation of the darkness speaking. Was it the true reason that Emma’s curse wasn’t broken though? Emma did feel the lure of the darkness, but if anyone was ready to overcome darkness for good, it was Emma Swan, the savior, the product of true love, and wielder of light magic. Dark magic isn’t her true love the the way it is for Rumple, nor was she addicted to it, and I think if Emma had kissed Henry while she was still cursed, then her dark one curse would have been broken. (The fact that Emma didn’t even try kissing Henry on the forehead was just due to plot in my opinion). Emma was ready and willing to get rid of the darkness once and for all and was on the threshold of doing so before Hook started bleeding and she saved him with dark magic. Emma was ready to be rid of the dark one curse forever in Camelot. There were also other failed attempts at TLK back in SB, and Hook expressed surprise that it “didn’t bloody work” when he tried to break her curse with his kiss. By the time Emma was back in SB and fooling everyone, she wanted to help Hook overcome the darkness with the strength of their love, but Hook rejected her as the dark one. Emma implored him and tried to get him to see that they were able to overcome it together, but instead he turned on her and tried to have her family mass murdered. Also, there was that time in season three when Hook’s lips were cursed due to his “selfish plea” on Emma Swan’s name, and instead of it being broken, it drained Emma of her true love magic, the thing that makes her special.
2. Emma failed to share her heart with Hook because as the show stated Hook was a rotting corpse in SB. The only reason the Snowing one was successful was because Charming was dead for a very small amount of time. This was stated in dialogue.
Why didn’t Emma try sharing her heart with Hook right away before his body was carried off? I think the writers want to keep this one open to debate, the way we’re doing now. Why not just show Emma sharing her heart with Hook to quiet anyone who doubts if their love is kind of love that Emma’s parents share? The writers had the chance to show Emma and Hook share true love unambiguously, either by heart sharing or by true love’s kiss, but the writers didn’t do that, leaving many still skeptical.
3. “True love shove”, funny because the people that say that are the ones that like to mock CS and say that Emma and Regina are a romantic pairing.
I’m not shipper of Emma and Regina romantically, so I don’t really see what the relevance of that point is. You seem convinced that most of us here blindly hate on Hook while turning a blind eye to the misdeeds of Regina and Rumple. No, I hold Regina, Rumple and Hook all equally accountable for their sins, and I don’t ship Emma and Regina romantically. While I do think Emma and Regina love each other, I think it’s as friends and family members. Emma clearly sacrificed herself to spare Regina from becoming the dark one. Also, if we’re going strictly by canon, Neal and Emma shared true love, as evidence by the swan pendant crossing realms twice because it was born out of true love. But CS fans don’t like to admit it and claim it’s just Belle’s opinion. Again, it’s a matter of interpretation.
But enough about that, it’s not only CS fans though. The entire cast including Adam and Eddy spent the entire time at Comic Con reinforcing that Emma and Hook are true love. So not that ambiguous seeing as they point blank said it loud and clear at CC, and Jennifer and Colin said it in basically every interview.
I’m very aware that the cast have called CS true love but that just may be the party line. The scene was written in a very ambiguous way open to interpretation. Hades and Zelena and Ruby and Dorothy shared true love’s kiss in the same half season, verifiably demonstrating they those couples had true love, but I’ve yet to see irrefutable proof that Hook and Emma have true love. For all the kissing that Emma and Hook do on screen, I still haven’t seen them share TLK — not once. Emma and Hook’s curse didn’t even start to break the way that Rumple’s did when he and Belle kissed in Skin Deep–up until Rumple pulled away because it was working. Until such time that I see Emma and Hook share TLK on screen, I’m not going to call it true love. You can have your own take on it, and I can have mine. The script is open to interpretation still as far as I’m concerned.
1. So…you point blank admit you’re ignoring the shows canon and just coming up with headcanons and then try to defend those headcanons as fact? ….Alright. You do you, but…you have headcanons whereas I have what is stated specifically on the show. Also Jane Espenson stated when Going Home aired that the reason that kiss did not work was because Emma had her memory wiped. And TLK will never work with a memory wipe. And what drained her magic was Emma giving Hook CPR after Zelena whom cursed his lips tried to drown him. I’m sure you would have loved for Emma to let Hook drown but that is not what was gonna happen
2. Probably because if she shared her heart with him at the beginning of the season then we wouldn’t have had a S5B. They had to go to the Underworld for a reason. The writers also absolutely show that CS is very much like Snowing. Hence why Emma says the Snowing catch phrase “Hook I will find you, I will always find you”. That was a straight up confirmation that CS=Snowing.
3. Clearly since you basically stated you ignore canon and think your head-canons are somehow more canon than what actually happens on the show and what comes out of the creators and actors mouth that know way more about the character than you do.
“Built” is such a subjective word. CS are probably going to be endgame, it’s too late to change that at this point especially if season 6 or 7 is the last, but CS didn’t come about naturally. It was forced by the writers because certain vocal fans demanded it. A flashing neon sign would’ve been more subtle. It won’t be King George. George is dead. He starved to death off-screen in the mines where Charming dumped him before jetting off to Neverland for a week without telling anyone about George being in the mines. What’s worse is both of George’s hands were tied so he wouldn’t have been able to do anything for himself.
CS didn’t come naturally? I would say that’s just completely ignoring canon. CS was born in Tallahassee when they purposely paralleled SF flashbacks w/ CS in the present. It’s grown very much since then. It was not forced on anybody. Do you know whom are the people that claim this? The same ones that are still bitter Neal died. IDK why King George can’t be the murderer based on what you said. You are aware Charming’s father was murdered in the EF and not in SB correct? Cause based on what you said…you somehow think Charming’s father died while in SB and that’s not possible.
Hook very well could die or split from Emma. Unless you know what the writers have planned. Afterall, other characters who had relevance in the story and were built up died with absolutely no payoff at all.
Let me guess, you somehow think Neal is going to be miraculously resurrected in the finale don’t you? Hook is not a Neal, Robin, or anyone else that has died. He’s actually relevant. If I was to place money on somebody that was gonna die this season it would be Zelena. Because she is the definition of irrelevant right now.
In fact, I’d go so far as to propose that Emma and Hook were definitively revealed not to have true love in season five whenever their kiss failed to break Emma’s dark one curse (on multiple occasions) or when Emma failed to share her heart with Hook in season 5b. I know CS fans will point at the “true love shove” as “evidence” that Emma and Hook share real love, but in my estimation, all it revealed was that Emma’s heart has true love because she <em style=”box-sizing: border-box; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, serif; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0.74902);”>is the product of true love. It was just ambiguously written enough that people will interpret it according to their prior assumptions. While I don’t think A&E are especially gifted writers, I think they’re just talented enough to keep people guessing and debatin
Well the show completely contradicted your POV on multiple occassions. For someone whom pays attention to “canon” you sure are ignoring some pretty big things. 1. They gave specific reasons within the episode as to why those kisses did not work. The first one was that Emma did not think anything was wrong with her. The second failed one was specifically stated by Rumple. Emma liked the darkness, and the power charge she got from it. That’s why that kiss did not work. 2. Emma failed to share her heart with Hook because as the show stated Hook was a rotting corpse in SB. The only reason the Snowing one was successful was because Charming was dead for a very small amount of time. This was stated in dialogue. 3. “True love shove”, funny because the people that say that are the ones that like to mock CS and say that Emma and Regina are a romantic pairing. But enough about that, it’s not only CS fans though. The entire cast including Adam and Eddy spent the entire time at Comic Con reinforcing that Emma and Hook are true love. So not that ambiguous seeing as they point blank said it loud and clear at CC, and Jennifer and Colin said it in basically every interview.
Thirdly, CS did have chemistry in Tallahassee, then they had Hook betray Emma to Cora and leave her to die. When Hook got to Storybrooke, they had him torture Archie and shoot Belle. Both were innocents who hadn’t done any harm to Hook. Hook followed Emma to new York and pushed her into a wall so he could stab Rumple. He betrayed Regina to GOAT without a care before changing his mind and going to Neverland with the Nevengers. In Neverland Hook spent the majority of his time more interested in getting in Emma’s pants than he was in helping Henry (This was a major disservice to Hook’s character as Neverland should’ve been Hook’s chance to shine but instead he was reduced to a love triangle). 3B, He spends his time chasing after Emma despite her showing no interest, she eventually gives in during the 3B finale. In 4A, despite being with Emma, Hook acted shady with trying to blackmail Rumple then didn’t like it when it backfired on him. 4B, Hook was relegated to boyfriend patrol. 5A Hook turned on Emma as the dark one and wanted to send her and her family to hell. You can’t say “it was the darkness not him” otherwise you have to extend that excuse to Rumple’s actions as well since he was the dark one from 3B-4B. Rumple was still capable of love as the dark one. 5B, Hook was boyfriend patrol again and got resurrected because he’s Hook. 6A has actually been an improvement because Hook is showing some genuine effort in trying to make amends particularly with Belle. Essentially there is no reason why Emma would’ve given Hook the time of day as a romance before 6A but they were thrown together because a certain vocal part of the OUAT fandom demanded it. It wasn’t built up to. OQ suffers from similar lazy writing. If the writers wanted CS together from the start, then maybe they should’ve thrown out some more Tallahassee like episodes where you actually see the chemistry between the two and have Hook be more like he is in 6A. 6A Hook needed to happen several seasons ago, at the very least in 3B. Fourthly, the fact that you claim Neal dying is the only reason people don’t like CS because they’re “bitter” implies that the thought of SF still bothers you. SF was probably the biggest hurdle to CS and, despite two and a half seasons passing since then, you don’t seem to accept that people can dislike CS for other reasons beside Neal. Ironically killing off Neal was the worst thing to happen to CS because Emma never chose Hook over Neal. Neal was taken out of the equation, leaving Hook as the only option left. It does beg the question as to WHY Neal was killed off instead of having Emma and Neal move on from each other. Fifthly, nobody expects Neal to be magically resurrected because the writers have ballsed up the show enough without further complicating matters. People don’t like CS but they’ve accepted it at this point, why the hell would the writers throw the love triangle back into the mix? Sixthly, Hook’s not going to die. He’s not important enough for a big show ending death plus they threw aside the “dead is dead” rule for him so I seriously doubt they’d kill him off for good. Seventhly, TLK should’ve at least started to work. It began to work on Rumple in Skin Deep and he definitely “liked the darkness”. Saying it didn’t work at all because Emma “liked the darkness” is rubbish. Eighthly, The heart share failure because Hook was a rotting corpse doesn’t make sense when it comes to Hook’s resurrection. Assuming it was just Hook’s soul in the Underworld (which then begs the question how the regulars’ physical bodies could be in the Underworld), when Hook was brought back was his soul just made corporeal or was it just put back in his physical body? Hook didn’t look like he’d just crawled out of his own grave. Is there still a rotting Hook corpse buried in Storybrooke graveyard? Finally, the fact that A&E plus JMo and Colin constantly have to “reinforce” that Hook and Emma are “true love” says quite a lot about the writing. The audience shouldn’t have to be TOLD they’re true love, they should be SHOWN it. Every chance the writers had to show that CS is true love, they didn’t take it. Doesn’t it make you wonder why?
My goodness. Reading this entire post I see that very obvious double standard in this fandom shining like a neon light…where to start.
1. Why are you holding Hook to things he did in S2 now? Especially when since then he’s changed so much. I know that’s contrary to what many people’s headcanons of the character are. Yes he shot Belle, and in S6A Belle stated that she has changed since then and he’s not the same person.
But if we’re going to do this to S2, I would appreciate if you don’t forget some details you’re omitting. The biggest detail to recall is that after the beanstalk Emma and Hook were on opposite sides. Emma betrayed him because she could not take the chance she’s wrong about him like she was about Neal. So when he left her in the cell it was after she left him on the beanstalk and for all he knew she left him to die.
Continuing on you say that he left Regina to Gregmara. Let us not forget the previous episode when Regina pushed Hook to what she thought was his death at the hands of Malificent so she could get the failsafe. So Regina had it coming, she tried to kill him the previous episode so why should he assist her? He also changed his motive because Emma gave him the chance to be a part of something as well as what happened with him and Neal in the past. It wasn’t just for giggles that he changed.
Now as far as Neverland goes I have to ask how you honestly think Hook was trying to get into Emma’s pants. Cause from what I recall he was trying to get closer to her but not with the intentions of having sex with her. If that was the case he wouldn’t have backed off the way he did in episode 10. Besides that Emma initiated their first kiss and mind you he was joking about the “reward” and that has been confirmed by the writers and Colin. He had no idea that Emma was gonna kiss him. She’s the one that took the initiative and she clearly liked it. In Dark Hallow he told her that he has complete faith in her that she will find Henry and he’s made his intentions clear. Winning her heart to me doesn’t sound like wanting to get into her pants, and he even said it would be when she wants him. He wouldn’t force it on her. And that’s not to recall in 3×10 he backed off completely because Henry deserved a chance at a real family.
3B time, Hook chased Emma, may I ask what episode was this? And Emma showed no interest really…so that scene in the forest in 3×14 “if it can be broken means it still works” or Emma in 3×17 or Emma in 3×20…she showed zero interest in Hook? Please watch 3×05, 3×07, 3×11, Sure okay. Hook chased Emma though, that’s why he spent episodes 3×17 to 3×20 trying to avoid her because he did not want to place any of her family in danger and he wanted to protect them. Hook wanted to get in her pants and chased her…man he sure epically failed though. Because he had the key to her falling in his lap the entire season and yet he waited till she asked him once again in the season finale what happened to the Jolly Roger. The way you make it sound Emma was forced into a relationship with Hook in the finale, and maybe that’s how you see it in your headcanons, that is not how it was displayed on the show.
Your 4A point I’m not gonna entertain but S4B Hook was not just relegated to boyfriend patrol. He had many wonderful scenes with Emma, he discussed his happy ending, he and Emma both discussed the situation with Snowing. It’s because of Hook’s discussion with Emma that she saw the error of her ways and decided that her parents were doing what was best for her because they loved her.
5A after a season where Hook was literally one of the only people that gave a dang about Emma and helping her fight the Dark One. This was demonstrated multiple times throughout the arc he was then forced to be the Dark One because Emma selfishly decided to save him and sorry Emma can definitely be selfish in this situation especially when Regina was being an absolute hypocrite in The Price. Hook told Emma he wasn’t as strong as her, he’s weak, he couldn’t fight the darkness and that was true. It was clearly painted as that was not Hook, it was Nimue manipulating him. When Hook snapped out of it in 5×11 he sacrificed his life to save everyone for the chaos he created and no that is not why Hook was resurrected in 5B. He was resurrected because he helped the heroes take down Hades and Zeus decided that he was going to go to where he belonged which was by Emma’s side. I mean when you’ve got a Greek God saying you belong together, that’s a pretty big indication.
Moving on to your other points.
4. No SF does not bother me, it’s irrelevant. It’s pointless, it’s not worth the time of day. Clearly cause you know look at what happened on the show and as far as Emma not choosing Hook over Neal. That kind of happened in Going Home when she told Hook to his “There’s not a day will go by when I won’t think of you” “Good”. That was a heavy indication and what did Neal get…yeah nothing. I mean if 3×10 wasn’t clear enough, you know Neal sitting alone in the shop…IDK what else to say.
On your 7th point, ah I see so you ignore actual canon and dialogue on the show and focus on head canons okay. Well that’s what was stated on the show, Emma liked the darkness, that’s why that kiss did not work. Rumple was also caught off guard and it was Belle that kissed him, not the other way around. Emma kissed Hook that time. Hook kissed Emma in SB when she believed nothing was wrong with her so it was never going to work on her. Again stated on the show in dialogue, not headcanons.
Eight point. Again stated on the show. Hades stated that Hook was a rotting corpse in SB while they were working in the UW to get him back. As for the other part Zeus said he’s bringing Killian back to where he belonged. It was clearly his pyshical body brought back. He was brought back literally in front of his grave, see the screencaps of that scene for further proof. If you don’t want to accept canon and dialogue over your own headcanons that’s your perogative but I choose to believe what’s on the screen and what is stated in the dialogue.
Final point, no it doesn’t make me wonder why because unlike you I don’t think it’s vague. The audience are shown how Emma and Hook are true love. The consistent parallels to Snowing(from there meaning, to the adventure, being able to sense one another), the echoing of the iconic quote, the passing of the true love test, which afterwards they literally stated “it’s true love. Emma you chose me, that was the test”. None of that is subtle or vague. It’s only subtle or vague to the people that refuse to see CS for what it is. A canon true love couple.
My goodness. Reading this entire post I see that very obvious double standard in this fandom shining like a neon light…where to start.
1. Why are you holding Hook to things he did in S2 now? Especially when since then he’s changed so much. I know that’s contrary to what many people’s headcanons of the character are. Yes he shot Belle, and in S6A Belle stated that she has changed since then and he’s not the same person.
And I said that 6A Hook was an improvement and that is the Hook we should’ve got a few seasons ago before CS got together. The point I was making was that between Hook’s introduction and when CS got together, Hook had done nothing to warrant Emma seeing him in a romantic light. 6A Hook, you can see why Emma would go for him, season 3 Hook, not so much.
Now as far as Neverland goes I have to ask how you honestly think Hook was trying to get into Emma’s pants. Cause from what I recall he was trying to get closer to her but not with the intentions of having sex with her. If that was the case he wouldn’t have backed off the way he did in episode 10. Besides that Emma initiated their first kiss and mind you he was joking about the “reward” and that has been confirmed by the writers and Colin. He had no idea that Emma was gonna kiss him. She’s the one that took the initiative and she clearly liked it. In Dark Hallow he told her that he has complete faith in her that she will find Henry and he’s made his intentions clear. Winning her heart to me doesn’t sound like wanting to get into her pants, and he even said it would be when she wants him. He wouldn’t force it on her. And that’s not to recall in 3×10 he backed off completely because Henry deserved a chance at a real family.
He told Emma “WHEN I win your heart, and I WILL win it, it won’t be of any trickery”. Now this line would’ve been so much better if they’d used the word “if” instead of “when” and cut out the “I will win it”. As it currently stands, Hook is declaring that he will win Emma’s heart and it’s only a matter of him, which kind of implies that Emma has no say at all because her and Hook being together is a foregone conclusion. Also 3A wasn’t good for Hook or Neal because it had them fighting over Emma as if she was a prize to be won.
Hook essentially telling Neal that he’ll let him have first crack at Emma is not a point in Hook’s favour because, again, it implies he’s trying to make Emma’s decisions for her. It was also implied that if Neal failed, Hook would swoop in, obviously to have his shot at Emma.
As for CS’ first kiss, again the issue is the writing. We shouldn’t have to be TOLD that Hook was joking outside of the show. That needed to be made clear in-show either through dialogue or a look of surprise on Hook’s face. As it is, Hook just looks pleased with himself. Neverland really could’ve done with some daylight scenes though.
Your 4A point I’m not gonna entertain
Why ever not?
S4B Hook was not just relegated to boyfriend patrol. He had many wonderful scenes with Emma, he discussed his happy ending, he and Emma both discussed the situation with Snowing. It’s because of Hook’s discussion with Emma that she saw the error of her ways and decided that her parents were doing what was best for her because they loved her.
In other words, Hook was being the “supportive boyfriend” aka boyfriend patrol.
5A after a season where Hook was literally one of the only people that gave a dang about Emma and helping her fight the Dark One. This was demonstrated multiple times throughout the arc he was then forced to be the Dark One because Emma selfishly decided to save him and sorry Emma can definitely be selfish in this situation especially when Regina was being an absolute hypocrite in The Price. Hook told Emma he wasn’t as strong as her, he’s weak, he couldn’t fight the darkness and that was true. It was clearly painted as that was not Hook, it was Nimue manipulating him.
So are you defending Hook or CS, because you would think Emma’s actions in 5A (overriding Hook’s wish to not be turned into a dark one) would be a mark against CS.
Here’s the thing though, in the Storybrooke scenes before Hook knew he was a dark one, he acted fine. It wasn’t until AFTER he found out he was a dark one that he turned into a complete arsehole. He was a dark one all along so how do you explain the sudden change in behaviour other than finding out he was a dark one gave Hook “permission” to act as bad as he did.
Also here’s the rub, if you excuse DO Hook’s actions because of Nimue then in fairness you have to excuse DO Rumple’s actions too for the same reason. Likewise, if you hold Rumple accountable for his actions then you have to hold Hook accountable too. You can’t have one rule for Hook and another for Rumple because essentially they both had the same affliction.
Perhaps the reason Hook is so divisive is because it seems like there is a double standard when it comes to him and other characters. Hook is not held accountable for his actions when other characters are.
I mean when you’ve got a Greek God saying you belong together, that’s a pretty big indication.
Again, we’re being told than shown. Some things can be explained through dialogue (if the writers bother to do that) such as Hook joking about wanting a reward, other things need to be shown.
If A&E said in an interview that Granny and Sneezy were true loves or had another character in-show say it, would you believe them? They’re telling you they’re true loves but they’ve not actually shown you it. Do you take it as fact?
By the same logic, Neal and Emma had true love because the Swan pendant travelled across realms and Belle said it was born of true love.
I mean if 3×10 wasn’t clear enough, you know Neal sitting alone in the shop…IDK what else to say.
You mean when Emma was on her way to meet him but got distracted by the shadow attacking the blue fairy?
On your 7th point, ah I see so you ignore actual canon and dialogue on the show and focus on head canons okay. Well that’s what was stated on the show, Emma liked the darkness, that’s why that kiss did not work. Rumple was also caught off guard and it was Belle that kissed him, not the other way around. Emma kissed Hook that time. Hook kissed Emma in SB when she believed nothing was wrong with her so it was never going to work on her. Again stated on the show in dialogue, not headcanons.
You could argue that since Hook and Emma were both DOs and thus both cursed was the reason TLK didn’t work. But to says Emma “liked the darkness” was the reason it didn’t work is from a logical point rubbish. DO Rumple like the darkness in Skin Deep and TLK started working then. The writers make up rules as they go along to serve the plot, even if it contradicts established canon eg “dead is dead”.
Eight point. Again stated on the show. Hades stated that Hook was a rotting corpse in SB while they were working in the UW to get him back. As for the other part Zeus said he’s bringing Killian back to where he belonged. It was clearly his pyshical body brought back. He was brought back literally in front of his grave, see the screencaps of that scene for further proof. If you don’t want to accept canon and dialogue over your own headcanons that’s your perogative but I choose to believe what’s on the screen and what is stated in the dialogue.
That was Robin’s grave they were stood at. Also, they could’ve had Regina do a preservation spell on Hook’s body (like she did for Daniel for decades) so they didn’t need to bury him hence it would’ve just been a case of reuniting his soul with his body rather than contradicting the “dead is dead” rule. Zeus could’ve still had his role, but what they did doesn’t make sense when you look at it more closely.
Final point, no it doesn’t make me wonder why because unlike you I don’t think it’s vague. The audience are shown how Emma and Hook are true love. The consistent parallels to Snowing(from there meaning, to the adventure, being able to sense one another), the echoing of the iconic quote, the passing of the true love test, which afterwards they literally stated “it’s true love. Emma you chose me, that was the test”. None of that is subtle or vague. It’s only subtle or vague to the people that refuse to see CS for what it is. A canon true love couple.
So you’re saying Emma wouldn’t have pushed anyone else out of the way of that thing that was harming Hook? So Emma would leave someone like Belle to suffer because they’re not true loves and therefore she wouldn’t push her out of the way?
The point still stands, the audience are being told that Emma and Hook are true loves rather than being shown it. It is lazy writing on the part of the writers, that’s the main problem.
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Keeper of FelixLet me guess, you somehow think Neal is going to be miraculously resurrected in the finale don’t you?
Where did I say this? please direct me.
Hook is not a Neal, Robin, or anyone else that has died. He’s actually relevant
Okay… HOW is Hook relevant to the show? The ONLY thing you’ve been saying is that Hook is Emma’s boyfriend. I was using Neal and Robin as examples as to how sure you can be of someone being safe in the story only for them to up and die because the writers had other plans. Neal was Rumpel’s son, Henry’s father, Emma’s True Love, the catalyst for the entire show, paralled Emma entirely, and he still died. That goes beyond a single ship.
Hook isn’t even half of that, yet you are very sure he is safe 100% because “he’s relevant”. I’ve been asking what his relevancy is and how he can move forward in the story and the only thing u are telling me is “hes with emma” over and over and telling me that other characters should die. Like, really?
Mmmkay, so Michael just wants Captain Swan to have a happily ever after and anyone who disagrees is angry because Neal died and not, ya know, because of issues with the story or the character. Moving on.
The point still stands, the audience are being told that Emma and Hook are true loves rather than being shown it. It is lazy writing on the part of the writers, that’s the main problem.
THIS. I feel this way about their whole relationship. I don’t see any reason to believe why these two are together other than wish fulfilment. The writers are giving us the bare minimum in terms of writing their relationship, but whats worse is that so many people are okay with that. Now don’t get me wrong, when Hook first came on the show, I knew he was going to be one part of a love triangle, and I was okay with that, but I never believed we would get to this point here where he is her bf and nothing else. He was never portrayed as being that kind of character. Reminds me of this quote from Eddy: “I think that in all life, there are the people who are right for you and there are the people who are wrong for you, and then there are the people you just choose,” Kitsis said, before adding later, “I don’t know if [Emma] would stare at [Hook] and think he’d be a great father for Henry but he might be fun in Vegas.”
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Keeper Of Tamara's Taser , Jafar's Staff, Kitsis’s Glasses , Ariel’s Tail, Dopey's Hat , Peter Pan’s Shadow, Outfit, & Pied Cloak,Red Queen's Castle, White Rabbit's Power To World Hop, Zelena's BroomStick, & ALL MAGIC<p style=”box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px 0px 1.5em; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, serif; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0.74902);”>Okay… HOW is Hook relevant to the show? The ONLY thing you’ve been saying is that Hook is Emma’s boyfriend. I was using Neal and Robin as examples as to how sure you can be of someone being safe in the story only for them to up and die because the writers had other plans. Neal was Rumpel’s son, Henry’s father, Emma’s True Love, the catalyst for the entire show, paralled Emma entirely, and he still died. That goes beyond a single ship.</p>
<p style=”box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px 0px 1.5em; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, serif; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0.74902);”>Hook isn’t even half of that, yet you are very sure he is safe 100% because “he’s relevant”. I’ve been asking what his relevancy is and how he can move forward in the story and the only thing u are telling me is “hes with emma” over and over and telling me that other characters should die. Like, really?</p>
<p style=”box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px 0px 1.5em; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, serif; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0.74902);”>Mmmkay, so Michael just wants Captain Swan to have a happily ever after and anyone who disagrees is angry because Neal died and not, ya know, because of issues with the story or the character. Moving on.</p>Girl the reason Neal died is because he did not hit well with audiences. Poor casting choice, poor writing choices for the character, poor everything. He did not buzz well with audiences. Unlike Hook, whom was overwhelmingly praised and is still to this day one of the most popular characters on the show.
Neal was never popular. That’s why he died. It’s a business at the end of the day and Neal and Emma did not click the way Hook and Emma did.
Girl he was killed 3-4 times in one season and came back. He’s never gonna die. They even had a Greek God make sure of that. Come on now.
Don’t get it twisted aside from on this forum and a couple bitter shippers on social media, Hook and CS are widely loved in the GA. I’m pretty sure this is the only place online that has the anti Hook/CS fans on it. It’s probably why it’s mostly dead now with the same 5 people posting on it every day.
He told Emma “WHEN I win your heart, and I WILL win it, it won’t be of any trickery”. Now this line would’ve been so much better if they’d used the word “if” instead of “when” and cut out the “I will win it”. As it currently stands, Hook is declaring that he will win Emma’s heart and it’s only a matter of him, which kind of implies that Emma has no say at all because her and Hook being together is a foregone conclusion. Also 3A wasn’t good for Hook or Neal because it had them fighting over Emma as if she was a prize to be won. Hook essentially telling Neal that he’ll let him have first crack at Emma is not a point in Hook’s favour because, again, it implies he’s trying to make Emma’s decisions for her. It was also implied that if Neal failed, Hook would swoop in, obviously to have his shot at Emma. As for CS’ first kiss, again the issue is the writing. We shouldn’t have to be TOLD that Hook was joking outside of the show. That needed to be made clear in-show either through dialogue or a look of surprise on Hook’s face. As it is, Hook just looks pleased with himself. Neverland really could’ve done with some daylight scenes though.
Your 4A point I’m not gonna entertain
Why ever not?
S4B Hook was not just relegated to boyfriend patrol. He had many wonderful scenes with Emma, he discussed his happy ending, he and Emma both discussed the situation with Snowing. It’s because of Hook’s discussion with Emma that she saw the error of her ways and decided that her parents were doing what was best for her because they loved her.
In other words, Hook was being the “supportive boyfriend” aka boyfriend patrol.
5A after a season where Hook was literally one of the only people that gave a dang about Emma and helping her fight the Dark One. This was demonstrated multiple times throughout the arc he was then forced to be the Dark One because Emma selfishly decided to save him and sorry Emma can definitely be selfish in this situation especially when Regina was being an absolute hypocrite in The Price. Hook told Emma he wasn’t as strong as her, he’s weak, he couldn’t fight the darkness and that was true. It was clearly painted as that was not Hook, it was Nimue manipulating him.
So are you defending Hook or CS, because you would think Emma’s actions in 5A (overriding Hook’s wish to not be turned into a dark one) would be a mark against CS. Here’s the thing though, in the Storybrooke scenes before Hook knew he was a dark one, he acted fine. It wasn’t until AFTER he found out he was a dark one that he turned into a complete arsehole. He was a dark one all along so how do you explain the sudden change in behaviour other than finding out he was a dark one gave Hook “permission” to act as bad as he did. Also here’s the rub, if you excuse DO Hook’s actions because of Nimue then in fairness you have to excuse DO Rumple’s actions too for the same reason. Likewise, if you hold Rumple accountable for his actions then you have to hold Hook accountable too. You can’t have one rule for Hook and another for Rumple because essentially they both had the same affliction. Perhaps the reason Hook is so divisive is because it seems like there is a double standard when it comes to him and other characters. Hook is not held accountable for his actions when other characters are.
I mean when you’ve got a Greek God saying you belong together, that’s a pretty big indication.
Again, we’re being told than shown. Some things can be explained through dialogue (if the writers bother to do that) such as Hook joking about wanting a reward, other things need to be shown. If A&E said in an interview that Granny and Sneezy were true loves or had another character in-show say it, would you believe them? They’re telling you they’re true loves but they’ve not actually shown you it. Do you take it as fact? By the same logic, Neal and Emma had true love because the Swan pendant travelled across realms and Belle said it was born of true love.
I mean if 3×10 wasn’t clear enough, you know Neal sitting alone in the shop…IDK what else to say.
You mean when Emma was on her way to meet him but got distracted by the shadow attacking the blue fairy?
On your 7th point, ah I see so you ignore actual canon and dialogue on the show and focus on head canons okay. Well that’s what was stated on the show, Emma liked the darkness, that’s why that kiss did not work. Rumple was also caught off guard and it was Belle that kissed him, not the other way around. Emma kissed Hook that time. Hook kissed Emma in SB when she believed nothing was wrong with her so it was never going to work on her. Again stated on the show in dialogue, not headcanons.
You could argue that since Hook and Emma were both DOs and thus both cursed was the reason TLK didn’t work. But to says Emma “liked the darkness” was the reason it didn’t work is from a logical point rubbish. DO Rumple like the darkness in Skin Deep and TLK started working then. The writers make up rules as they go along to serve the plot, even if it contradicts established canon eg “dead is dead”.
Eight point. Again stated on the show. Hades stated that Hook was a rotting corpse in SB while they were working in the UW to get him back. As for the other part Zeus said he’s bringing Killian back to where he belonged. It was clearly his pyshical body brought back. He was brought back literally in front of his grave, see the screencaps of that scene for further proof. If you don’t want to accept canon and dialogue over your own headcanons that’s your perogative but I choose to believe what’s on the screen and what is stated in the dialogue.
That was Robin’s grave they were stood at. Also, they could’ve had Regina do a preservation spell on Hook’s body (like she did for Daniel for decades) so they didn’t need to bury him hence it would’ve just been a case of reuniting his soul with his body rather than contradicting the “dead is dead” rule. Zeus could’ve still had his role, but what they did doesn’t make sense when you look at it more closely.
Final point, no it doesn’t make me wonder why because unlike you I don’t think it’s vague. The audience are shown how Emma and Hook are true love. The consistent parallels to Snowing(from there meaning, to the adventure, being able to sense one another), the echoing of the iconic quote, the passing of the true love test, which afterwards they literally stated “it’s true love. Emma you chose me, that was the test”. None of that is subtle or vague. It’s only subtle or vague to the people that refuse to see CS for what it is. A canon true love couple.
So you’re saying Emma wouldn’t have pushed anyone else out of the way of that thing that was harming Hook? So Emma would leave someone like Belle to suffer because they’re not true loves and therefore she wouldn’t push her out of the way? The point still stands, the audience are being told that Emma and Hook are true loves rather than being shown it. It is lazy writing on the part of the writers, that’s the main problem.
1. So we’re just ignoring that he says “it will be because you want me”? He’s not forcing her, he’s not taking away her agency. He’s making his intentions clear but like with everything that has happened in the CS relationship it’s at Emma’s pace. Emma makes all the decisions and Hook is fine with that.
2. I’m not going to entertain it because it’s your headcanon and not based on actual canon of the show. Hook screwed up because he wanted to be able to hold Emma with two hands on their date and so he bit off more then he could chew. Meanwhile Rumple was being Rumple.
3. How do I explain the sudden change with Hook? The fact that Zelena gave him back the memories of what happened to him. They were all mindwiped but she waved the Dreamcatcher in his face and he was able to regain everything that happened. That’s why the change was so sudden, and that’s when the Darkness took over again. Because of Zelena giving him back his memories. I will never excuse DO Rumple for the crap he’s done especially ever since he made Hook’s sacrifice in vain and became the DO once again. In the beginning I did, but not anymore. It’s not a double standard either, he just loves power more than everything else and people just have to accept that about him.
4. Well they are the creators of the show, and from the show that just gave us the disgusting Rumple and EQ pairing it would not surprise me.
5. Yeah after she asked Charming if he wasn’t pushing her towards Neal because he wanted to keep her away from Hook. 😉 Cause that’s what she said. If that wasn’t enough the following episode Going Home made things pretty clear that it was CS. They got the meaningful goodbye.
6. No it was not, it was Hook’s. (x)
If you look at the background you can clearly see Hook’s grave. That’s where Hook popped out from then he walked a couple of feet where Emma ran to him. Killian and Robin were buried less then 50 feet apart but that doesn’t mean they were at Robin’s grave. They were not.
7. I am saying this is what the show said, this is what the writers said, this is what the actors said, and if people choose to accept it or not is not my problem. It’s canon, it happened, they’re true love, it’s done.
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