Why is Hook such a divisive character within the fandom?

[TheWatcher]

So this is my short response to another comment in the filming thread:

Much of it is an overreaction due to the nature of the character and him offending easily offended people.

I’m not offended at Hook. I am just unimpressed with his storyline or lack thereof. He’s boring and repetitive. He’s not a “Regina” or a “Rumpel” in the sense of being a layered villain, anti-hero, whatever you want to call it. He just isn’t doing anything besides swarming Emma all the time. What in this show would be effected if he were eliminated? In the words of Regina, he’s the pirate mascot of the group. I don’t care to see much of him unless or until he becomes a relevant character, and when that happens I do applaud it (him as Dark One Hook was very enjoyable and refreshing).

In short, I just want the character to be interesting. Seriously. What is he doing right now in the show? What is his purpose to the overall series? Outside of Emma, does the character have any weight and if so what is it??

Many people love her and just as many people hate her. It doesn’t help that Regina is a character that gets white washed a lot of her crimes, like the rape and murder of Graham for instance. And then she holds Zelena to some impossible standard when she literally has done the same if not worst things then her sister. However she doesn’t want to admit to them or the writers don’t want her too, and it makes her come off not in the best way.

I disagree that Regina generates as huge a divide as Hook because she was a fan favorite from day one. There are people who dislike her, but I wouldn’t say its a fandom wide war between those who love and those who hate her. Anyway,  I feel the exact same way about Hook. He’s the one who gets his crimes whitewashed. With Regina, she has had her ups and downs, but she has been going the road of a hero for a long time and struggling along the way. She is acknowledging and trying to get past her dark past and evil ways. So much so that she literally felt the need to rip it out of her. Hook on the other hand is constantly being given a free pass because so many of his fans are sensitive to any kind of criticism of him as a character. It seems the writers go out of their way to show him in a positive light, especially in flashbacks, where he was supposed to be this ruthless, tyrannical pirate out for revenge, but no guys he was really sensitive and nice the whole time.

No one on this show is great. But it seems like Hook is just handed the crown the of heroism while everyone had to work for it.  That everything negative he does gets pushed aside because he’s Hook and that he doesn’t actually need a story arc because…well I guess him being on screen and kissing Emma is enough for some people.  It’s not a competition, but to say that Regina gets her crimes whitewashed and not Hook is incredibly….wild. I acknowledge that may be the case though.

And also, I don’t have an issue with Regina getting “three hours of screen time” BECAUSE SHES ONE OF THE MAIN CHARACTERS AND IS ACTUALLY MOVING THE STORY FORWARD. Hook is not doing that. It has nothing to do with him just being Hook, if he were intereting, relevant, all the stuff that Regina is, i’d have no problem. But the CS fandom seems to require so little effort from Hook to stay invested.

Sorry, I need more than constantly reassuring Emma about stuff and making smexy eyebrows and quips to make an interesting character.

 

[hjbau]

Seriously, there are so many things like suggesting that Hook is somehow connected to Henry, Snow, and Charming that just prove how out there the theories are on Hook. Hook and Charming aren’t friends. That is made up by people who like Hook. They work together because Charming wants Emma to be happy and Hook wants Emma. Henry and Snow are the exact same way. They interact with Hook because he is always with Emma, so if they want to spend time with Emma, then they by default spend time with Hook. Also, Charming has no one right now because Snow is cursed and Emma and Regina are in another realm, that only leaves Hook. Also, Hook and Belle are not friends. They interact because they are side characters who serve no purpose, so they have them interact to not waste the main characters screen time.

Hook is without a doubt the most divisive character on the show. The majority of the fandom of this show want him off the show. People either seriously dislike him or are indifferent or just find him boring. The fans that like him are just more intense. Though, i know for me, i have no desire for them to develop Hook anymore. Either kill him off or just let him stand back there and stay unconnected from the rest like Zelena, Belle, and Robin.

[Michael]

<p style=”box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px 0px 1.5em; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, serif; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0.74902);”>Man do I agree with this.  And I don’t even love Hook anymore.  But that guy gets ridiculed more than anyone else it feels.  Some of it is warranted.  Much of it is an overreaction due to the nature of the character and him offending easily offended people.</p>

Actually I think most of this dislike of Hook can be summarised very simply. He gets in the way of a non-existent romantic relationship between Emma and Regina that is never going to happen and has been stated multiple times.

He also is blamed for the reason Neal died and SF which was a very small ship compared to CS in terms of popularity is still bitter to this day about Neal’s death and hates Hook/CS because of it.

Really being real this is literally what it comes down too.

I disagree that Regina generates as huge a divide as Hook because she was a fan favorite from day one. There are people who dislike her, but I wouldn’t say its a fandom wide war between those who love and those who hate her.

Clearly you’ve never been on social media nor have taken a peek at Adam’s twitter mentions daily. Cause it’s a war between Hook/Regina and CS/SQ fans daily.

BECAUSE SHES ONE OF THE MAIN CHARACTERS AND IS ACTUALLY MOVING THE STORY FORWARD.

Oh please what story!? There is no story this season. It’s a bunch of convoluted messes. Regina is just getting shoved down everyone’s throats not progressing anything. EQ is an absolute joke of a villain this season. She’s campy and a cartoon character, not the EQ from S1.  The ONLY scene this season where we’ve seen that S1 vibe was Snow and EQ in the woods in 6×07.

Emma is basically in the background except when she needs to pat Regina on the back and assure her how perfect she is and how good of a person she is. Emma’s savior story is shoved in the background for this mess of a half season.

The only story in 6A was the toxic Rumbelle relationship, disgusting Golden Queen making out, EQ looking like an idiot, and Regina getting whitewashed of creating the curse.

Charming’s father? Nope benched cause we need more Regina

Untold Stories? LMAO wuts that, nah more Regina

Jekyll and Hyde? What more EQ and only used to tell us EQ can’t die without killing Regina.

Snowing’s curse? Only one can be awake while the other takes care of the kid

CS? Henry and Hook had an episode together as did SJF w/ Cinderella. They also helped out Belle in 6×09

Zelena? A waste of space, literally. She’s had like 30 minutes of screentime total, kill her off. She’s doing nothing.

That’s it. This season is not balanced, this half season is a joke. Every character aside from Regina and Rumple has zero storyline and it’s not even a good storyline w/ Rumple. Just want to punch him in the face.

 With Regina, she has had her ups and downs, but she has been going the road of a hero for a long time and struggling along the way. She is acknowledging and trying to get past her dark past and evil ways.

So much so that she literally felt the need to rip it out of her.

Which is absolutely pathetic. You don’t blame your evil deeds on some evil entity in you. You’re responsible for what YOU do. She’s not acknowleding it at all and you just said it. She’s ripping out the “bad” part of her that did all those things.

Hook does not do that. Hook NEVER has done that. He always accepts the things he did in the past were his fault and he works to redeem himself for his past actions. He doesn’t rip out the “evil” part of him. His scene with Belle in 6×04 was a prime example of this. Even though she forgives him for what he did to her because he has changed he still can’t forgive himself.

What does Regina do? Oh that wasn’t me that was The Evil Queen. That’s not accepting the things you’ve done in the passed. That’s playing the victim and blaming some entity in you for doing the things you did.

 

Sorry, I need more than constantly reassuring Emma about stuff and making smexy eyebrows and quips to make an interesting character.

This season he’s had storylines with Emma, Henry, and Belle. He’s going to have one with Charming, and of course more CS.

 

[TheWatcher]

This season he’s had storylines with Emma, Henry, and Belle. He’s going to have one with Charming, and of course more CS.

Storylines? Which were what? He’s had dialog with them…he’s had scenes with them. What is Hook’s role in this season, let alone the show other than Emma? Let’s discuss that then I will address ur other points.

See, Regina is dealing with her inner darkness quite literally. Emma is dealing with what it means to be the savior. Rumpel….is addressing his issues as being a crappy father, husband, and all around bad guy. Whats Hook doing?

And just to prove my point, you are making every criticism about Hook as a character about ships. No, its not about Cs vs SQ. Its not about SF vs CS. For some it is, sure, but that’s not the entire fandom. It just seems like Hooks character exists solely because of CS, his entire function on this show is to be Emma’s boyfriend, and anyone saying he needs to be written better is taken as being a CS hater. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t see the appeal of the ship, but my issues with Hook go beyond that.

Emma is basically in the background except when she needs to pat Regina on the back and assure her how perfect she is and how good of a person she is

This is exactly what Hook does! All he does it sit around and reassure Emma that she “can do it” and to believe in herself, blah blah. I can’t imagine what this show would become without all the other characters. Emma and Hook together don’t do anything but swoon. Tell me i’m wrong. Even Emma’s dark swan arc was downgraded to be nothing more than a CaptainSwan plug.

They work together because Charming wants Emma to be happy and Hook wants Emma. Henry and Snow are the exact same way. They interact with Hook because he is always with Emma

And let us not forget what Henry’s true feelings of Hook are, as revealed through the shattered mirror curse.

"I could have the giant duck as my steed!" --Daniel Radcliffe
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[hjbau]

I know that for me, i found Hook extremely boring in Season 2 when he was still just a villain and not a love interest, so it has nothing to do with him being Emma’s love interest. They wasted too much time with him then when they could have done more with Cora and with Emma/Snow and Regina/Snow storylines. When Colin broke his leg and he was 0n the show less, i was really hoping that he would go away by the end of the season and be done with.

Then we went to Neverland and he, Captain Hook, still added nothing of value to the storyline about Neverland. It was the Emma/Bae and Rumpel/Bae and Emma/Snow scenes that were the best part of that arc. Then Pan really become interesting later in the arc. Hook is just sort of there.

He is not friends with the Charming family. When they actually talk about him, it isn’t good. They do spend time with him, but as i said, it is mostly in service to saving their family members and not because they are friends or somehow enjoy spending time together. People constantly talk about there being some big friendship between Hook and Charming, but it does not exist. It is all down to people who rewatch Hook scenes over and over again and then take the entire show out of context.

[Michael]

And let us not forget what Henry’s true feelings of Hook are, as revealed through the shattered mirror curse.

Adam and Eddy already confirmed the shattered sight curse was not how they really felt and even so S5/S6 clearly showed that Henry does like Hook.

<p style=”box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px 0px 1.5em; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, serif; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0.74902);”>Storylines? Which were what? He’s had dialog with them…he’s had scenes with them. What is Hook’s role in this season, let alone the show other than Emma? Let’s discuss that then I will address ur other points.</p>
<p style=”box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px 0px 1.5em; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, serif; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0.74902);”>See, Regina is dealing with her inner darkness quite literally. Emma is dealing with what it means to be the savior. Rumpel….is addressing his issues as being a crappy father, husband, and all around bad guy. Whats Hook doing?</p>
<p style=”box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px 0px 1.5em; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, serif; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0.74902);”>And just to prove my point, you are making every criticism about Hook as a character about ships. No, its not about Cs vs SQ. Its not about SF vs CS. For some it is, sure, but that’s not the entire fandom. It just seems like Hooks character exists solely because of CS, his entire function on this show is to be Emma’s boyfriend, and anyone saying he needs to be written better is taken as being a CS hater. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t see the appeal of the ship, but my issues with Hook go beyond that.</p>

Yes he had episode storylines with Emma and Henry in 6×03. Which was the episode where Emma decided to ask Hook to move in with ehr</p>

6×06 was an episode which paralleled Hook longing for family and in the end finally being accepted into one with Henry and Emma. It focused heavily on the Henry and Hook relationship.</p>

6×04 focused on the Belle and Hook friendship, and showed how much Hook has grown as a character as well as Belle.</p>

If you don’t see this then IDK what to say.</p>
As far as Hook’s role on the show, it’s to be Emma’s kindred spirit. A lost boy much like her looking for a family and a place to call home which is basically what ALL of our characters storyline on the show is.  Hook suffers and owns up to his mistake and knows that redemption is a long winding road and it takes lots of work. Hence why he wears the rings on his finger as a reminder to himself about the things he’s done in the past and to be a better man. He still to this day even though he does view himself as a hero he still has a hard time forgiving himself for his past deeds even if the people around him have already forgiven him. That is how you do a correct redemption arc and I’m not sure how he’s never payed for the things he’s done. He’s literally died for it.</p>

You don’t see that with Regina and Rumple. With Regina you have her crimes literally being whitewashed. Oh the curse it was a good thing. Graham…who was that…rape nonsense. Oh she murdered and ruined countless lives….oh that wasn’t her that was The Evil Queen. It’s that kind of ridiculous crap that has her being a character a rarely can stand anymore. The fact that she blames this entity within her as the reason why she’s where she’s at is just a rehash of 4B albeit more poorly contructed and going nowhere.</p>

With Rumple…I mean it’s just disgusting what he’s done this past half. From the disgusting GQ, to the literal mental and verbal abuse of Belle.</p>

Oh but Hook killed Merlin, and the show has never brought that up again. Same way it has never been brought back up that Regina murdered and raped Graham, the death of Johanna, etc.</p>

I’m just saying just within your words alone the double standard is shining through.</p>

And sorry to say this but Hook’s role on this show is not to be Emma’s boyfriend. It’s to be her true love and kindred spirit. 🙂 He’s not simply a boyfriend and anybody that says as such is just bitter. He’s much more than that and going from spoilers, he’s likely to be a very different title soon.

[TheWatcher]

In general, I think a lot of the bad guys are way more interesting when they are evil as opposed to when they become good. For Hook, its the same. As evil pirate Hook, I found his character interesting and he was different than the other guys on the show when he was first introduced. My issue came later when after he became “Redeemed” he just tended to float around Emma the majority of the time. Which brings me to:

Then we went to Neverland and he, Captain Hook, still added nothing of value to the storyline about Neverland. It was the Emma/Bae and Rumpel/Bae and Emma/Snow scenes that were the best part of that arc. Then Pan really become interesting later in the arc. Hook is just sort of there.

This! Hook took a backseat in an arc where he should have had the major role. It’s Neverland! He’s HOOK! He and Rumpel should have learned to bury their hatchet as enemies, worked together to defeat Pan, and Hook would have solidified himself as a hero through his actions. But instead he just says “Hey, I’m good now” and spends the majority of the Neverland arc trying to appeal to Emma over Baelfire. Hook’s biggest potential should have been right there but he was just “there.”

 

 

"I could have the giant duck as my steed!" --Daniel Radcliffe
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[RumplesGirl]

*sigh*

Really? We’re doing this again? I’m not saying this as a way to shut down conversation but…why? After–what–fiveish years of constant fighting and arguing does anyone really think they have the necessary linchpin to sway someone to the other side?

People like Hook for valid reasons. People do not like Hook for valid reasons. And still others simply shrug and care deeply neither way.

The only thing this is proving is that Hook is still a divisive character because–oh,shocking–texts are subjective and we read them differently based on our own morals, experiences and ideas about right/wrong, good/bad. Everyone’s argument is boiling down to “if you can’t see X then I don’t know what to tell you…”

But by all means….debate away. Even though it’s 100% futile.

(But for the love of heaven, blacken out your spoilers! Even allusions to future events are spoilers. As they have been for 6, years.)

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[thedarkonedearie]

Well I’m going to come to Michael’s defense a little here.  I don’t agree with everything but there are certain things that bug me that I’m going to try and pick out.

Hook and Charming aren’t friends.

Have you seen this season?  Or last half season?  I think it’s clear as day that they have moved past the whole “you’re a pirate and you’re not good enough for my daughter” phase.  Either you aren’t watching closely, or you aren’t watching.  I don’t even feel this is up for interpretation.

They interact with Hook because he is always with Emma, so if they want to spend time with Emma, then they by default spend time with Hook.

This also is just not always true.  Many times, yes.  But just this season, Henry and Hook bonded a lot in Dark Waters and Hook was willing to sacrifice his life for Henry, and then Henry in turn, came back and saved Hook.  Their relationship has been growing with each passing season.  So again, not sure if you missed this episode…Also Hook and Belle hung out without Emma.

Also, Hook and Belle are not friends. They interact because they are side characters who serve no purpose, so they have them interact to not waste the main characters screen time.

So I’m going to ask it again….Did you miss the episode Strange Case?  Where he saved her life and killed Jekyll which oh by the way, killed Hyde thus saving Belle, Rumple, and Rumple’s baby?  What about in the beginning of the season where she turned to Hook for a safe place to hide from Rumple?  And he let her stay on his ship and what not.  Like this isn’t even an opinion.  These are facts.  And you could say he’s not friends with Belle and that he’s only doing this bc anyone would have done the same thing or that he’s actually doing it for selfish reasons and doesn’t actually care about Belle but that is pretty thick.

He is not friends with the Charming family. When they actually talk about him, it isn’t good. They do spend time with him, but as i said, it is mostly in service to saving their family members and not because they are friends or somehow enjoy spending time together. People constantly talk about there being some big friendship between Hook and Charming, but it does not exist. It is all down to people who rewatch Hook scenes over and over again and then take the entire show out of context.

I’m sorry, but again, this is so incredibly wrong.  I really should go back and cite specific scenes where they talk fondly of him, but I won’t.  To say only Hook fans see it because they are delusional and take things out of context is incredibly rude, presumptuous, and ignorant.  So just bc you hate Hook means people who like Hook are seeing the show wrong and making up stuff?  Maybe they pay more attention to his scenes bc they care more about him?  Who knows?  But to dismiss an entire fandom bc they disagree with you is ridiculous.  And I’m sorry, but I would love to know the last time anyone in the Charming family said something bad about Hook.  Certainly hasn’t been this season.

As far as Hook’s role on the show, it’s to be Emma’s kindred spirit. A lost boy much like her looking for a family and a place to call home which is basically what ALL of our characters storyline on the show is.  Hook suffers and owns up to his mistake and knows that redemption is a long winding road and it takes lots of work. Hence why he wears the rings on his finger as a reminder to himself about the things he’s done in the past and to be a better man. He still to this day even though he does view himself as a hero he still has a hard time forgiving himself for his past deeds even if the people around him have already forgiven him. That is how you do a correct redemption arc and I’m not sure how he’s never payed for the things he’s done. He’s literally died for it. You don’t see that with Regina and Rumple. With Regina you have her crimes literally being whitewashed. Oh the curse it was a good thing. Graham…who was that…rape nonsense. Oh she murdered and ruined countless lives….oh that wasn’t her that was The Evil Queen. It’s that kind of ridiculous crap that has her being a character a rarely can stand anymore. The fact that she blames this entity within her as the reason why she’s where she’s at is just a rehash of 4B albeit more poorly contructed and going nowhere. With Rumple…I mean it’s just disgusting what he’s done this past half. From the disgusting GQ, to the literal mental and verbal abuse of Belle. Oh but Hook killed Merlin, and the show has never brought that up again. Same way it has never been brought back up that Regina murdered and raped Graham, the death of Johanna, etc. I’m just saying just within your words alone the double standard is shining through. And sorry to say this but Hook’s role on this show is not to be Emma’s boyfriend. It’s to be her true love and kindred spirit. He’s not simply a boyfriend and anybody that says as such is just bitter.

Honestly, I have to agree with everything here.  I too have always believed there was a double standard, especially in this forum.  Regina and Rumple’s misdeeds often go brushed aside (slaying a village, stealing babies, raping Graham, etc etc etc etc etc) and Hook’s get put in the spotlight.  I’ll use a recent example.  We saw a flashback where Rumple stole an innocent family’s child and was willing to let Black Fairy take it away.  Did ANYONE dwell on the fact that Rumple is a horrible person for doing that?  He stole a child!  Nope, instead most talked about how it made sense bc that’s what Rumpelstiltskin does, he takes children.  Now, can you imagine if it was a Hook flashback and it showed him taking a child like that in an attempt to find his mother?  HE WOULD BE RIDICULED!  People would say his redemption arc this season is utter bull and his head would be on a pike.  People are just quick to jump on his behavior, even though it is plain to see the man is trying to change and is doing very similar things Regina has done over the past couple years to redeem herself as well.  But people view them very differently.

That being said, I love Regina and I have zero problem with the EQ’s story this season.  What are the biggest things the EQ ever wanted to accomplish before Regina started redeeming herself?  1. Revenge on Snowing, specifically Snow for not keeping secret.  She did that.  2. Create chaos as she always loved to do and I think she has done plenty of that.  3. Get rid of the Savior from her son, which she just did.  So I will defend this season and defend Regina as a character.  But there is no doubt she gets more of a pass than Hook does.  It seems like people who do not like Hook are putting the character on egg shells, just waiting for him to say or do something they disagree with.  And because they don’t like him and are looking for slip ups, they don’t really give him credit when he helps Emma.

Which brings me to my next point I agree with Matt on.  I don’t view him as just a boyfriend either.  Emma is the center of the show.  And Emma is going through some tough times right now.  Yes, maybe Hook has been someone who just makes her feel better but that is IMPORTANT bc she is important to the show.  He is the Robin to her Batman.  Is he a central part of the show?  Ehh.  Don’t forget Dark Waters where his brother Liam came back and was seeking revenge on Henry and Hook.  But if you took him away from Batman, it wouldn’t be the same.  Emma is going through a crisis as a Savior and with all the Savior Mythology coming up that they have been teasing, and with her death sentence future dream with Gideon, Hook’s part has become important.  Emma needs to believe she is the Savior and that she can do anything bc she is the product of true love!  Regina has helped her realize this in the Wish Realm and Hook did it in Storybrooke as well.  I don’t remember anyone complaining when Robin was Regina’s moral compass and helpful boyfriend.  No one said he was a bad character.

It just seems like Hooks character exists solely because of CS, his entire function on this show is to be Emma’s boyfriend, and anyone saying he needs to be written better is taken as being a CS hater.

 Well I said Robin needed to be written better.  I never said I didn’t like OQ.  And Hook’s character exists bc when he came on the show, he was different and gave the show someone we hadn’t seen before.  He still exists bc he’s dating the main character of the show but it’s not why he exists in the first place.

And let us not forget what Henry’s true feelings of Hook are, as revealed through the shattered mirror curse.

And again, that was in season 4A.  We are halfway through season 6.  People change.  Hook has changed and people around him have noticed, including Henry.  People are becoming more accepting of him.  Should I pull quotes from season 2 when everyone said Regina was a bad person?  Nope, let me pull one from Dark Waters this season which you conveniently seemed to have ignored to better suit your argument.

Killian: You understand why I need those shears, right?<br style=”box-sizing: border-box; font-family: Raleway, sans-serif; font-size: 20px;” />Henry: You love her too.

 

Killian: I thought I told you to leave.<br style=”box-sizing: border-box; font-family: Raleway, sans-serif; font-size: 20px;” />Henry: And if I listened, you’d be dead.<br style=”box-sizing: border-box; font-family: Raleway, sans-serif; font-size: 20px;” />Killian: Well I’m glad you didn’t. What made you come back?<br style=”box-sizing: border-box; font-family: Raleway, sans-serif; font-size: 20px;” />Henry: You said you couldn’t ruin one more family, neither could I.<br style=”box-sizing: border-box; font-family: Raleway, sans-serif; font-size: 20px;” />Killian: Are you saying you think of me as part of?<br style=”box-sizing: border-box; font-family: Raleway, sans-serif; font-size: 20px;” />Henry: Don’t push it.

Man that really sounds like someone who hates Hook right?  Henry has come a long way.  And if you’re going to cite something a little boy said years ago when he recently lost his actual father and now was watching this new guy date his mom, and not chalk up a lot of it to him not being ready to see his mom date someone new, then you are being very thick.

And I’ll end on this.  As RG said, clearly Hook is a very divisive character.  Look at the difference of opinions!  But bc he is divisive, it’s what makes him interesting, for me at least.  When half the fandom loves him and half hates him, it’s hard to say he’s boring.  Those are the types of characters that spawn debate and interesting conversation.  I don’t view EQ/Regina as divisive as Hook at all.  Everyone loves her.  But because she has done horrible things, like Hook, and has been trying to redeem herself, like Hook, the fact that Hook is way more divisive than EQ/Regina only further highlights the double standard that is going on here.

[TheWatcher]

And sorry to say this but Hook’s role on this show is not to be Emma’s boyfriend. It’s to be her true love and kindred spirit. He’s not simply a boyfriend and anybody that says as such is just bitter. He’s much more than that and

Wow. Okay. It seems I was mistaken. Sorry. His role is not to be her romantic partner…its to be her romantic partner. Wow, thanks for clarifying. Here i was thinking he should offer more to the show on his own, but i guess being a boyfriend/true love/ romantic partner is enough. Mhmm . And what? I’m bitter all because I think the character should be more interesting and have way more to do in the story because he is now one of the main cast?

Are you really content that Hook just floats around Emma’s character for the show? Is that all it takes to keep you invested? You were complaining that Hook doesn’t get enough screen time, were you not? So I’m bitter by saying that if he does get more it needs to be something interesting, relevant, and something that pushes the story forward?

 

He still exists bc he’s dating the main character of the show but it’s not why he exists in the first place.

Boom. I agree. Hook wasn’t centered around Emma at the start. He had a goal, a storyline (getting his revenge on Rump) and was being deliciously dark trying to achieve it. Now he just floats around whatever Emma is doing. Then he gets a centric episode,  has some dialog scenes with other characters, and then goes back to Emma. Wash and repeat.

As far as Hook’s role on the show, it’s to be Emma’s kindred spirit.

Exactly as I’ve been saying… It should be more than that.

A lost boy much like her looking for a family and a place to call home

Oh there are huge similarities between them in this relationship.  A (literal) lost boy….a lost girl….both sent away from their families…one a child of dark magic…the other a child of light magic…who found each other even though they were centuries apart, connected through fate and destiny, have a story and relevance that exists outside of one another and were original characters to the series…..Oh wait….

But i’m not here to turn this into a ship war. Just my view.

Hook suffers and owns up to his mistake and knows that redemption is a long winding road and it takes lots of work. Hence why he wears the rings on his finger as a reminder to himself about the things he’s done in the past and to be a better man. He still to this day even though he does view himself as a hero he still has a hard time forgiving himself for his past deeds even if the people around him have already forgiven him. That is how you do a correct redemption arc and I’m not sure how he’s never payed for the things he’s done. He’s literally died for it.

I totally disagree….. Hook giving a reason for his stylish accessories is good and all but come on…. Once again, Regina has had her redemption through entire seasons, having ups and downs, falling back into villainy, and out of it, and growing as character and striving to be different than who she was before, and is still doing that… It didn’t happen overnight. Its not just saying “Hey, I’ve changed now!” and moving on. There is a huge difference between Regina saying “I’m not that person anymore” and “It wasn’t me, it was a different version of me, called the EQ”.

Hook went from villain to “redeemed” when he turned his ship around at the end of season 2 and everything after that was basically the writers trying to tell us “hey, look, he’s not that bad of a guy!” Hook’s is the poorest redemption arc on the show because they aren’t even trying. Rumpel had a great redemption arc before they ruined his character. Regina still hasa good one because she isn’t giving up. Some Hook fans accept the bare minimum from him as a character. He was bad. Now he’s good. The end. I just don’t find it interesting. I don’t think Hook has changed all that much (and I cite season 3B again, where they all went back to the Enchanted Forest. See, Regina didn’t revert back to the Evil Queen and start terrorizing people. She stayed with her family and tried to help the issue they were facing. Hook up and abandoned everyone and went back to…being a pirate.. Oh, but hey at least he’s not sleeping around anymore because he loves Emma, so hes a good guy afterall, guys. He only did something heroic when he believed it would get him back to Emma. That’s the only thing driving his character).

 

. Emma is going through a crisis as a Savior and with all the Savior Mythology coming up that they have been teasing, and with her death sentence future dream with Gideon, Hook’s part has become important. Emma needs to believe she is the Savior and that she can do anything bc she is the product of true love! Regina has helped her realize this in the Wish Realm and Hook did it in Storybrooke as well. I don’t remember anyone complaining when Robin was Regina’s moral compass and helpful boyfriend. No one said he was a bad character.

Because she totally hasn’t had to believe in herself, ever? That’s not against Hook, that’s against the writers, Emma is constantly in a loop of saying “I cant do it, I don’t know who I am, I have walls!” and people (usually Hook, Regina, or Henry) having to constantly reassure her. I don’t like that at all, nothing to do with him, but that’s his role entirely when it comes to her. They literally need to just bring Rob Schnieder into this show so whenever Emma starts doubting herself he’ll be in the crowd like:

Anyway, I’ve summed up everything as best I could:

– I have no issue with hook solely because he is Hook. I loved Hook. I don’t like what he has become.

– My issues with Hook are because he isn’t very well written, the writers want us to accept everything he does as kosher, and he isn’t actually doing anything new.

– He is entirely nothing but the Pirate Mascot and a lot of major Hook fans are okay with this. I am not.

– In order for me to be happy with Hook, I just want the character to be fun again. Swooning over Emma is not fun. Flashbacks mean to show that he was really good all along, is not fun. Other characters liking him and talking to him won’t make me like him as a character.

I loved Hook’s episode with Ursula. I loved the Dark Hook thing. I even loved his Hades adventure with Arthur. I give hook props when props are due. But I’m just not here for the constant lap dog Hook who exists solely to be Emma’s mate/kindred spirit/true love/boyfriend/ whatever ya’ll want to call it.

I don’t see the issue with that.

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