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October 6, 2014 at 11:05 am #284485FelieParticipant
Why, if the Ice Queen has been in SB all this time, would she only just decide to come out of the woodwork now? Wouldn’t she have had her powers back for a while now? And wouldn’t a Queen want revenge for being reduced to an ice cream shop owner (a little humiliating imo)?
Could Elsa’s presence in SB have set her off on a mission to prove she is the strongest Ice-magic wielding royal? Whatever her motives may be she’s definitely going to be an interesting character. What are your thoughts?
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"there’s lesbians in it"October 6, 2014 at 11:39 am #284489RumplesGirlKeymasterDo you want the in-show reason or do you want the out of show reason?
In show reason (my prediction): she is after Elsa’s powers; she doesn’t want there to be another Ice or Snow Queen. She somehow figured out that Elsa came through the portal with Emma and Hook and is seeking revenge or plotting Elsa’s downfall.
Out of show reason: Because Frozen wasn’t a thing until last winter and A and E never planned to introduce the Ice Queen, at least not in any villain of the arc way, so her appearance in town is because PLOT.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"October 6, 2014 at 1:18 pm #284505FelieParticipantDo you want the in-show reason or do you want the out of show reason? In show reason (my prediction): she is after Elsa’s powers; she doesn’t want there to be another Ice or Snow Queen. She somehow figured out that Elsa came through the portal with Emma and Hook and is seeking revenge or plotting Elsa’s downfall. Out of show reason: Because Frozen wasn’t a thing until last winter and A and E never planned to introduce the Ice Queen, at least not in any villain of the arc way, so her appearance in town is because PLOT.
LOL, Yes, in-show reasons please (probably should have stated that before, huh?).
Hmm… I believe there is an element of protecting her status involved with her motives too. Or, it could be some kind of revenge for something Elsa’s parents may have done to her. There is a possibility she already knew about Elsa before the curse if Elsa’s parents had approached her for help on their trip to the EF, but why wouldn’t she go after Elsa in Arindelle when she was still young (I think she was 18 when her parents died) and vulnerable, knowing that her parents hadn’t allowed her to practice her magic?
"so there’s this new show….."
"there’s lesbians in it"October 6, 2014 at 2:09 pm #284511PanTheManParticipantPossibility #1: Elsa’s arrival in town gives The Snow Queen a way to lay low and watch all the blame be put on Elsa, while the ice Queen’s plan unfolds… whatever her plan is.
Possibility #2: PLOT.
I’m gonna go ahead and cite RG for this one.
October 6, 2014 at 2:10 pm #284512Frozen QueenParticipantWhy, if the Ice Queen has been in SB all this time, would she only just decide to come out of the woodwork now? Wouldn’t she have had her powers back for a while now? And wouldn’t a Queen want revenge for being reduced to an ice cream shop owner (a little humiliating imo)?
I think she is the Snow Queen from the story by Hans Christian Anderson. Perhaps she was content to lay low until the right time presented itself for her to get what she wants. What does she want? One possibility is that the Snow Queen wants Elsa. Why? Because the Snow Queen is really Elsa’s birth mother. My theory is posted here.
"I'm not bossy. I'm the queen." Elsa
October 6, 2014 at 2:41 pm #284521FelieParticipantI think she is the Snow Queen from the story by Hans Christian Anderson. Perhaps she was content to lay low until the right time presented itself for her to get what she wants. What does she want? One possibility is that the Snow Queen wants Elsa. Why? Because the Snow Queen is really Elsa’s birth mother. My theory is posted here.
Cool! I also think that there is some sort of familial link between the two ice maidens, but I don’t think they’ll separate Elsa from Anna like that (not even by making them half-sisters). My theory (one I seem to share with RG!) is that the Ice Queen is Elsa and Anna’s aunt, who was banished from Arindelle for some reason.
I am in love with your avatar btw ;P
"so there’s this new show….."
"there’s lesbians in it"October 6, 2014 at 2:54 pm #284525Frozen QueenParticipantCool! I also think that there is some sort of familial link between the two ice maidens, but I don’t think they’ll separate Elsa from Anna like that (not even by making them half-sisters). My theory (one I seem to share with RG!) is that the Ice Queen is Elsa and Anna’s aunt, who was banished from Arindelle for some reason.
I agree there must be a family connection between Elsa and the Snow Queen. There is a resemblance when you see them side by side. Whether it’s birth mom and daughter or aunt and niece, I think it would be a nice explanation for where Elsa got her magic from if she did inherit her powers from the Snow Queen.
I am in love with your avatar btw ;P
Thanks!
"I'm not bossy. I'm the queen." Elsa
October 7, 2014 at 7:07 am #284627nonnieParticipantWhy, if the Ice Queen has been in SB all this time, would she only just decide to come out of the woodwork now? Wouldn’t she have had her powers back for a while now? And wouldn’t a Queen want revenge for being reduced to an ice cream shop owner (a little humiliating imo)? Could Elsa’s presence in SB have set her off on a mission to prove she is the strongest Ice-magic wielding royal? Whatever her motives may be she’s definitely going to be an interesting character. What are your thoughts?
I don’t know depends upon how much SNOW QUEEN liked ice cream.
But seriously, I can see a CELEBRITY enjoying anonymity especially if they retain their power and riches…. No one begging for favors … no one expecting anything from you. Anonymity has it allure. If you have magic you can work it when no one else knows about it …. problem comes when others know and make requests.
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October 7, 2014 at 8:17 pm #284677Jenna_BParticipantMy thought is she was only brought back during the second curse; she was off doing whatever those that weren’t caught up in the first curse were doing. I think she’s just emerging now because she’s got her sights on Emma, though, not Elsa. Emma’s powers are strong and everyone is realizing as time goes on just how much raw power Emma has inside her. It seems Elsa & the Ice Queen’s powers are rather limited – I mean, you can only do so much with ice walls and monsters – but Emma’s powers don’t seem particularly limited. Imaging already being quite powerful but getting your hands on even stronger and more varied power. She may have also just realized from Zelena’s silly kissy curse that Emma’s powers can be taken from her…so she’s got Elsa in town, the perfect scapegoat for anything the Ice Queen starts to do….she’s realized she can find the means to strip Emma of her magic…it’s perfect timing for whatever she’s got in store.
October 8, 2014 at 7:48 am #284702FelieParticipantMy thought is she was only brought back during the second curse; she was off doing whatever those that weren’t caught up in the first curse were doing. I think she’s just emerging now because she’s got her sights on Emma, though, not Elsa. Emma’s powers are strong and everyone is realizing as time goes on just how much raw power Emma has inside her. It seems Elsa & the Ice Queen’s powers are rather limited – I mean, you can only do so much with ice walls and monsters – but Emma’s powers don’t seem particularly limited. Imaging already being quite powerful but getting your hands on even stronger and more varied power. She may have also just realized from Zelena’s silly kissy curse that Emma’s powers can be taken from her…so she’s got Elsa in town, the perfect scapegoat for anything the Ice Queen starts to do….she’s realized she can find the means to strip Emma of her magic…it’s perfect timing for whatever she’s got in store.
Wouldn’t this mean that she wouldn’t have a SB alter-ego though? I thought only people brought over in Regina’s curse had businesses, knowledge of how our world works, etc. I don’t think she’d have the ice cream business if she had come to SB only after Snow’s curse.
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