Why Peter Pan is NOT the Shadow

[spinninggold]

Luckily this is next season we are talking about.

BTW Daniel, now you have finally dodged the coffee bullet, shall we have a tea party instead? 😆

[RumplesGirl]

Oh and I think the lost boys are the same as the crying boys… They just aid the Pan to avoid punishment and get a slightly better deal than the rest. They aren’t different, they have just resigned to their fate in order to survive.

I don’t know about that. Felix (I’m going to continue to call him that until we are told otherwise) seemed pretty into the whole “I’m a scary dude with a big stick and I will take your children muahahahahah”
I think the crying boys are the boys who have had their shadows ripped from them by Peter after the Shadow (Peter’s shadow) brought them to NL.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[Phee]

@Demileto wrote:

@Phee wrote:

And he appears to be the leader of the Lost Boys, making him a favoured servant of PP’s. PP sent him to retrieve Bae from the ship, so it stands to reason that it was his shadow that PP sent to retrieve Bae from London.

I didn’t get the feeling that he was the leader of the Lost Boys, just of the group that was tasked to deal with Hook.

Possibly. He just seemed super intense, and he had ultimate confidence in PP not failing, so he felt like someone in a powerful and favoured position to me.

Side note: Hook refers to them as the Lost ONES. I think that was a deliberate change to allow girls into the group.

Just got done with a re-watch and I was trying to make out if any of them could have been girls, but it’s hard to tell when it’s dark and you can only see their eyes. It must be a deliberate change in the wording, and I think maybe it’s because GOAT are essentially in the same role. It seems like every time I think of how Tamara ended up in the position she’s in, I come back to her being the displaced child of Robin and Marian. The Lost Ones in NL, looking for Henry, are orphans. Greg, (who just kidnapped Henry to NL, knowing he was important) is an orphan. So it would fit if Tamara is too. So Lost Ones means that she’s part of the same gang.

[kfchimera]

I doubt Felix is a young Jefferson. Jefferson is not blonde so why would blonde hair be a clue if they wanted to hint that? I do think it is possible however that Jefferson encountered Bae while working for Rumpel. Rumpel never told Jefferson why he wanted to go to a Land without Magic. So it’s probable he never told him about his son. We do know something had to sever the lucrative working relationship between Rumpel and Jefferson to the point Jefferson is pretty much trying to live on nothing out in the forest with his daughter–and within the bounds of Regina’s kingdom to boot. Something that also explains why the moment the curse broke and he could leave his house, he did not immediately rescue Belle to gain favor with Gold. He waited until Regina betrayed him to do it out of revenge since he didn’t have it in him to kill Regina.

If they want to include busy Seb Stan next season, it can’t be too big of a plot point as he won’t have time for a long arc. Something like being the one to help Bae escape NL could work.

I do agree about the logic that the Shadow can’t be the same entity as Peter Pan or he would have already known Bae wasn’t the right boy. Felix definitely seemed to be more than the regular run of the mill minion, a 2nd in charge perhaps? What I can’t figure out about Tamara and Greg though is where all the “science” stuff came in for them as NL didn’t seem like a science driven place.

*edit– Unless the shadow ripping is shown not to be magical but “scientific”?

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

[RumplesGirl]

Didn’t the Lost Ones check the scroll against Bae to see? I think the Shadow is bringing boys for Peter to rip our their shadows and consume. But I also think the Shadow is Peter, his shadow to be precise. No matter what Peter needs the shadows of boys, but Henry’s shadow is special.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[Phee]

@KFChimera wrote:

What I can’t figure out about Tamara and Greg though is where all the “science” stuff came in for them as NL didn’t seem like a science driven place.

*edit– Unless the shadow ripping is shown not to be magical but “scientific”?

Maybe it’s just that the non-magical-land branch of the operation has no choice but to use science instead because they have no magic. Info they get about magic from the NL branch of the operation helps them to figure out the science they need.

GOAT report to the head of THO in our world. Their boss is the only one with a connection to NL. This is how they can get info on magical stuff so quickly. I pondered in another thread if the failsafe could have actually come from PP because he’d foreseen Henry in our world. If so, that would explain why GOAT got answers about the failsafe so quickly, because the guy who invented it was giving info to their boss in our world.

It would also suggest that PP was manipulating Rumple in the creation of the Curse, and possibly even manipulating BF giving Bae the bean, all pieces of the puzzle that would ultimately lead to the birth of the prophecide boy (Henry) and his being brought to NL.

Perhaps?

[RumplesGirl]

It would also suggest that PP was manipulating Rumple in the creation of the Curse, and possibly even manipulating BF giving Bae the bean, all pieces of the puzzle that would ultimately lead to the birth of the prophecide boy (Henry) and his being brought to NL.

Perhaps?

If Peter is the boy from the Seer’s prophecy and NOT Henry, then yes. I can see him manipulating Rumple with the Curse. (which he “found out” from Blue…many a moon ago, many of speculated that the BF might be TinkerBell. I wonder if that theory still holds water now that we’re going to NL and Peter is not sweet and cute…)

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[shack1212]

Furthermore from a television perspective, it’s extremely likely Peter is played by a living breathing actor and not a CGI shadow

[Clessidor]

I agree. I don’t think that the shadow was Peter Pan himself.

That Peter Pan can ripp off the shadow of someone reminds me about the character Gecko Moria from the manga One Piece who once ate the shadow fruit which gave him the power over Shadows. So he can separate his shadow from his body and he can ripp off the shadow of someone else by using a giant scissors. Then this people have to live the rest of their life in darkness because if they would step into the sunlight they would vaporize.

That’s him cutting off a shadow
That’s him with his own shadow called “Doppelman”

Well it could be that this is just a coincident because it might be that the creator of Once Piece was inspiried by Peter Pan when he created Moria’s abilities. Even if he doesn’t look like Peter Pan at all. (More like Dracula or a creature from Nightmare before Christmas or like Hades from the Disney movie).

Anyway I wanted to mention this because it might be important.

“There were thousands and thousands of forms of joy in the world, but that all were essentially one and the same, namely, the joy of being able to love.”

— from the Neverending Story by Michael Ende

[RumplesGirl]

Yes, Peter is a real boy. A real actor that we will meet and engage with. But there is nothing to stop them from making his shadow a character as well that does Peter’s bidding.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

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