Why Peter Pan is NOT the Shadow

[Phee]

@RumplesGirl wrote:

It would also suggest that PP was manipulating Rumple in the creation of the Curse, and possibly even manipulating BF giving Bae the bean, all pieces of the puzzle that would ultimately lead to the birth of the prophecide boy (Henry) and his being brought to NL.

Perhaps?

If Peter is the boy from the Seer’s prophecy and NOT Henry, then yes. I can see him manipulating Rumple with the Curse. (which he “found out” from Blue…many a moon ago, many of speculated that the BF might be TinkerBell. I wonder if that theory still holds water now that we’re going to NL and Peter is not sweet and cute…)

Sorta wishing right now that Rumple wasn’t heading into PP’s realm. 😕

As far as Blue being Tink, I could totally live with that, or even just with Tink having been a close associate of hers. Maybe Tink’s a double agent of sorts, making nice with the other fairies and trading info with them, but also doing PP’s bidding?

[RumplesGirl]

Sorta wishing right now that Rumple wasn’t heading into PP’s realm. 😕

Sorta wishing Belle was going with him because if it’s true that PP is his undoing, the one thing that might save him is TLK.

As far as Blue being Tink, I could totally live with that, or even just with Tink having been a close associate of hers. Maybe Tink’s a double agent of sorts, making nice with the other fairies and trading info with them, but also doing PP’s bidding?

Blue and Tink in cahoots would be ok with me. For fairies to be in both worlds, I would hope they would link them somehow.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[Slurpeez]

@RumplesGirl wrote:

Phee wrote: It would also suggest that PP was manipulating Rumple in the creation of the Curse, and possibly even manipulating BF giving Bae the bean, all pieces of the puzzle that would ultimately lead to the birth of the prophecide boy (Henry) and his being brought to NL.

Perhaps?

If Peter is the boy from the Seer’s prophecy and NOT Henry, then yes. I can see him manipulating Rumple with the Curse. (which he “found out” from Blue…many a moon ago, many of speculated that the BF might be TinkerBell. I wonder if that theory still holds water now that we’re going to NL and Peter is not sweet and cute…)

I love your explanation, Phee! I’ve long maintained that the BF looked a bit too gleeful when she gave Bae that magical bean. I also think she was behind the scenes in making sure August would procure Henry. Maybe Peter Pan wrote Henry’s book about the curse, and gave it to Blue who passed it onto Mary Margaret, who gave the book to Henry.

Also, as for Peter Pan being the prophesied boy, I think it’s very possible. I had been wondering how it would all tie together, and I like this turn of events in 2×22 where Peter is really behind the Home Office. It’s all really mind-boggling!

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

[Phee]

@RumplesGirl wrote:

Sorta wishing right now that Rumple wasn’t heading into PP’s realm. 😕

Sorta wishing Belle was going with him because if it’s true that PP is his undoing, the one thing that might save him is TLK.

“Undoing” could still just mean a loss of his powers instead of death though, and losing his Dark One powers wouldn’t necessarily be a bad thing that he’d need TLK to save him from. There have been some discussions paralleling the Dark One Curse to the Shadow. Maybe there’s gonna be some sort of convergence of those two dark energies and they’ll end up cancelling each other out, leaving both Rumple and Peter alive and mortal? And then Peter can tell them how to get out of NL, and that will be when they find Nealfire. Thus, the boy who was Rumple’s undoing, will lead him to his son. #prophecyfulfilled

[RumplesGirl]

@Phee wrote:

@RumplesGirl wrote:

Sorta wishing right now that Rumple wasn’t heading into PP’s realm. 😕

Sorta wishing Belle was going with him because if it’s true that PP is his undoing, the one thing that might save him is TLK.

“Undoing” could still just mean a loss of his powers instead of death though, and losing his Dark One powers wouldn’t necessarily be a bad thing that he’d need TLK to save him from. There have been some discussions paralleling the Dark One Curse to the Shadow. Maybe there’s gonna be some sort of convergence of those two dark energies and they’ll end up cancelling each other out, leaving both Rumple and Peter alive and mortal? And then Peter can tell them how to get out of NL, and that will be when they find Nealfire. Thus, the boy who was Rumple’s undoing, will lead him to his son. #prophecyfulfilled

I like that. (speaking of Dark One magic, does Rumple have his dagger on him??) except does it imply that the Shadow is controlling Peter and not the other way around. I don’t know if I see Peter coming out a good guy in this story. I still think it’s his Shadow that he is sending out to bring back boys in order that Peter might rip off their shadows to eat/ingest/something equally creepy.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[Slurpeez]

@Phee wrote:

@RumplesGirl wrote:

Sorta wishing right now that Rumple wasn’t heading into PP’s realm. 😕

Sorta wishing Belle was going with him because if it’s true that PP is his undoing, the one thing that might save him is TLK.

“Undoing” could still just mean a loss of his powers instead of death though, and losing his Dark One powers wouldn’t necessarily be a bad thing that he’d need TLK to save him from. There have been some discussions paralleling the Dark One Curse to the Shadow. Maybe there’s gonna be some sort of convergence of those two dark energies and they’ll end up cancelling each other out, leaving both Rumple and Peter alive and mortal? And then Peter can tell them how to get out of NL, and that will be when they find Nealfire. Thus, the boy who was Rumple’s undoing, will lead him to his son. #prophecyfulfilled

I like this theory. In a way though, Peter Pan already did lead Rumplestiltskin to his son. By bringing Bae to NL in the first place, Bae’s life has been preserved for centuries, which is also how long it took for Rumple to create the Dark Curse to locate his son. If it weren’t for Peter Pan’s quest to locate Henry, Baelfire would have aged normally in Victorian London and died as an old man years before Emma was ever even born. What I want to know is whether Peter Pan can glimpse the future. Perhaps Peter realized Baelfire would father Henry, which is possibly why Peter let Bae return to Earth, which was around the time Emma was approaching adulthood. 💡

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

[batclaw]

I still think Bae will be Peter Pan reason why is one he wants to go back to the darlings but Hook said he can,t also his feet touch the ground and Wendy said once your feet touch the soil you can,t leave. But Bae,s feet touch the soil but he came back to the land without magic and when Felix said put him with the rest the other lost boys. I wonder if those boys are Nibs Slightly Curly Toddles and the Twins and Bae is Pan after all Rumple got the dark one powers and saved the kids what if Bae got Pan,s powers and saved the kids in Neverland but the price for the magic he used is Henry like Rumple he saved the kids but the price was Bae .

[RumplesGirl]

Ilike this theory, but in a way, Peter Pan already did lead Rumplestiltskin to his son. By bringing Bae to NL in the first place, Bae’s life has been preserved for centuries, which is also how long it took for Rumple to create the Dark Curse to locate his son. If it weren’t for Peter Pan’s quest to locate Henry, Baelfire would have aged normally in Victorian London and died as an old man years before Emma was ever even born. What I want to know is whether Peter Pan can glimpse the future, and whether he realized Baelfire would father Henry, which is possibly why Peter let Bae return to Earth, which is around the time Emma was approaching adulthood. 💡

I do think PP can see the future and now that we know Bae wasn’t running from Hook like some of us thought, it makes sense that PP let Bae go in order to fulfill his destiny. Remember that line very sentimental line from Manhattan?

Everything that happens, happens by design, and there’s nothing we can do about it. Forces greater than us conspire to make it happen. Fate, destiny, whatever you want to call it. The point is… Maybe we met for a reason. Maybe something good came from us being together.

We all knew Emma was thinking of Henry, but maybe PP was too. He knew Henry would be the byproduct of Emma and Neal so he let Bae leave. Fate did conspire, but it was in the form of PP who (in my theory) wants to eat Henry’s shadow in order to live forever.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[Slurpeez]

@RumplesGirl wrote:

Ilike this theory, but in a way, Peter Pan already did lead Rumplestiltskin to his son. By bringing Bae to NL in the first place, Bae’s life has been preserved for centuries, which is also how long it took for Rumple to create the Dark Curse to locate his son. If it weren’t for Peter Pan’s quest to locate Henry, Baelfire would have aged normally in Victorian London and died as an old man years before Emma was ever even born. What I want to know is whether Peter Pan can glimpse the future, and whether he realized Baelfire would father Henry, which is possibly why Peter let Bae return to Earth, which is around the time Emma was approaching adulthood. 💡

I do think PP can see the future and now that we know Bae wasn’t running from Hook like some of us thought, it makes sense that PP let Bae go in order to fulfill his destiny. Remember that line very sentimental line from Manhattan?

Everything that happens, happens by design, and there’s nothing we can do about it. Forces greater than us conspire to make it happen. Fate, destiny, whatever you want to call it. The point is… Maybe we met for a reason. Maybe something good came from us being together.

We all knew Emma was thinking of Henry, but maybe PP was too. He knew Henry would be the byproduct of Emma and Neal so he let Bae leave. Fate did conspire, but it was in the form of PP who (in my theory) wants to eat Henry’s shadow in order to live forever.

I agree with most of this thinking (i.e. Peter conspiring with fate to make sure Henry is born). However, I’m not sold on the Peter-consuming-Henry’s-shadow-to-gain-eternal-life theory. Why would consuming a shadow cause Peter to remain young? Even if doing so could somehow garner the consumer to remain young, there is no need for that in Neverland. Time is frozen there, as it was in SB under the curse. We know that to be true because Hook lived in NL for centuries without aging, as did Baelfire before he returned to Earth. So, Peter Pan would have remained a perpetual teenager since there is no time. There is no need to introduce an Elixir of Youth to the equation, because no one ages there anyways. Sometimes simpler is better (e.g. Occam’s razor).

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

[RumplesGirl]

I agree with most of this thinking (i.e. Peter conspiring with fate to make sure Henry is born). However, I’m not sold on the Peter-consuming-Henry’s-shadow-to-gain-eternal-life theory. Why would consuming a shadow cause Peter to remain young? Even if doing so could somehow garner the consumer to remain young, there is no need for that in Neverland. Time is frozen there, as it was in SB under the curse. We know that to be true because Hook lived in NL for centuries without aging, as did Baelfire before he returned to Earth. So, Peter Pan would have remained a perpetual teenager since there is no time. There is no need to introduce a Elixier of Youth because no one ages there anyways.

Well maybe it doesn’t “eat” them to stay young (though we don’t know that NL is frozen in time just that time at least moves very very very slowly, but I take your point) but rather it sustains him in a different way. Maybe he’s controlling time on the island but that requires a steady diet of boys shadows (this is really strange to talk about without really knowing what is going on 😆 ). Their shadows are precious resources, all that youth and innocence, and that allows Peter to make sure the island doesn’t move in time. Henry’s shadow, though, is maybe the shadow that will end his constant need for shadows.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

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