Why Peter Pan is NOT the Shadow

[Slurpeez]

Consuming boys’ shadows sounds eerily creepy, so I sort of hope that isn’t the case. 😕 I’d rather that Peter Pan needs Henry, perhaps because Henry is the key to undoing Rumple’s curse (more in lines with what Phee was suggesting):
@Phee wrote:

“Undoing” could still just mean a loss of his powers instead of death though, and losing his Dark One powers wouldn’t necessarily be a bad thing that he’d need TLK to save him from. There have been some discussions paralleling the Dark One Curse to the Shadow. Maybe there’s gonna be some sort of convergence of those two dark energies and they’ll end up cancelling each other out, leaving both Rumple and Peter alive and mortal?

Peter sounds sinister, but perhaps he is working for the “greater good” to eliminate Rumple’s curse, as well as his own. In the end, I’d prefer it if Peter Pan were actually a little boy afflicted with a curse, and hopefully, Henry is simply the one to break that curse (as the Savior’s son, that could be Henry’s destiny to free the Lost Boys and Peter Pan himself). It sounds like NL is afflicted with a curse, since the mermaids are sadly accursed, too.

[RumplesGirl]

@slurpeez108 wrote:

Consuming boys’ shadows sounds eerily creepy, so I sort of hope that isn’t the case. 😕 I’d rather that Peter Pan needs Henry, perhaps because Henry is the key to undoing Rumple’s curse (more in lines with what Phee was suggesting):
@Phee wrote:

“Undoing” could still just mean a loss of his powers instead of death though, and losing his Dark One powers wouldn’t necessarily be a bad thing that he’d need TLK to save him from. There have been some discussions paralleling the Dark One Curse to the Shadow. Maybe there’s gonna be some sort of convergence of those two dark energies and they’ll end up cancelling each other out, leaving both Rumple and Peter alive and mortal?

Peter sounds sinister, but perhaps he is working for the “greater good” to eliminate Rumple’s curse, as well as his own. In the end, I’d prefer it if Peter Pan were actually a little boy afflicted with a curse, and hopefully, Henry is simply the one to break that curse (as the Savior’s son, that could be Henry’s destiny to free the Lost Boys and Peter Pan himself).

Maybe? But with Regina, Rumple and Hook all seemingly reformed we need a bad guy for the season and with GOAT working for Peter and given how nasty they’ve been set up to be, I hesitate about seeing the good in Once’s Peter.
If Peter is a poor kid who has been afflicted with a curse and is working for the greater good both for himself and for Rumple, then when that is discovered, who is the bad guy? We need a villain.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[Demileto]

@Phee wrote:

Possibly. He just seemed super intense, and he had ultimate confidence in PP not failing, so he felt like someone in a powerful and favoured position to me.

That particular group of Lost Ones are likely to Peter what the Death Eaters were to Voldemort: his closest associates, his most valuable servants, the people that are most devoted to his cause. He definitely had a Bellatrix Lestrange level of devotion to Peter, didn’t he? 🙂

[RumplesGirl]

@Demileto wrote:

@Phee wrote:

Possibly. He just seemed super intense, and he had ultimate confidence in PP not failing, so he felt like someone in a powerful and favoured position to me.

That particular group of Lost Ones are likely to Peter what the Death Eaters were to Voldemort: his closest associates, his most valuable servants, the people that are most devoted to his cause. He definitely had a Bellatrix Lestrange level of devotion to Peter, didn’t he? 🙂

Very nice comparison. Felix with his stick (seriously, what was that) is very similar to Bellatrix and her intense devotion to the Dark Lord.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[MatthewPaul]

@Clessidor wrote:

I agree. I don’t think that the shadow was Peter Pan himself.

That Peter Pan can ripp off the shadow of someone reminds me about the character Gecko Moria from the manga One Piece who once ate the shadow fruit which gave him the power over Shadows. So he can separate his shadow from his body and he can ripp off the shadow of someone else by using a giant scissors. Then this people have to live the rest of their life in darkness because if they would step into the sunlight they would vaporize.

That’s him cutting off a shadow
That’s him with his own shadow called “Doppelman”

Well it could be that this is just a coincident because it might be that the creator of Once Piece was inspiried by Peter Pan when he created Moria’s abilities. Even if he doesn’t look like Peter Pan at all. (More like Dracula or a creature from Nightmare before Christmas or like Hades from the Disney movie).

Anyway I wanted to mention this because it might be important.

Glad to see I’m not the only member here who’s a fan of One Piece. I love that you found that connection. And on a side note, I highly recommend everybody else check One Piece out. Definitely an amazing show!

[Slurpeez]

@RumplesGirl wrote:

@slurpeez108 wrote:

Consuming boys’ shadows sounds eerily creepy, so I sort of hope that isn’t the case. 😕 I’d rather that Peter Pan needs Henry, perhaps because Henry is the key to undoing Rumple’s curse (more in lines with what Phee was suggesting):
@Phee wrote:

“Undoing” could still just mean a loss of his powers instead of death though, and losing his Dark One powers wouldn’t necessarily be a bad thing that he’d need TLK to save him from. There have been some discussions paralleling the Dark One Curse to the Shadow. Maybe there’s gonna be some sort of convergence of those two dark energies and they’ll end up cancelling each other out, leaving both Rumple and Peter alive and mortal?

Peter sounds sinister, but perhaps he is working for the “greater good” to eliminate Rumple’s curse, as well as his own. In the end, I’d prefer it if Peter Pan were actually a little boy afflicted with a curse, and hopefully, Henry is simply the one to break that curse (as the Savior’s son, that could be Henry’s destiny to free the Lost Boys and Peter Pan himself).

Maybe? But with Regina, Rumple and Hook all seemingly reformed we need a bad guy for the season and with GOAT working for Peter and given how nasty they’ve been set up to be, I hesitate about seeing the good in Once’s Peter.
If Peter is a poor kid who has been afflicted with a curse and is working for the greater good both for himself and for Rumple, then when that is discovered, who is the bad guy? We need a villain.

Peter may be a villain, but only in the way that Rumplestiltskin is one. We know pre-Dark Rumple was simply a well-intentioned desperate father who wanted to save his son’s life. Well, perhaps Peter is just a little boy who wanted to remain forever a child. Perhaps a bad fairy (Tinker Bell perhaps) tricked Peter into coming to NL, where he became accursed to remain a parentless, lonely child forever. That would be such an E&A move, to first make us fear Peter, but then to show us how he really was just a misunderstood youth who only became a kidnapper out of a desperate need to be rid of his accursed state.

ETA: On another thread, someone suggested that Henry is actually Peter Pan’s look-alike, and I recognized this as the doppelgänger effect. Maybe Peter needs Henry, his look-alike, to somehow reverse this curse that Peter suffers from! 😮 I just noticed Matthew’s post above, in which he mentioned the character who can rip shadows, who is called Doppelman! 😯

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

[spinninggold]

To be honest I found “Felix” a bit Nazi camp “we’re just following orders”-ish. Like he knows what horrors awaits him if he fails, and that fear makes him follow orders. He will do what is asked of him in order to save his own skin. All the boys are of a nervous disposition I think, afraid of what might happen to them. They are afraid, rather than see it as their Holy Grail to do Pan’s bidding. (Which is why I still don’t get Tamare and Greg. They want to destroy magic and then hop the first bean to Neverland, that is teaming with it? Was there perhaps a mass outbreak when Neal got out and did the Pan think it was time for a new game plan?)
Of course Felix believes Pan is able to beat them. After al,l he probably tried to escape Pan himself and lost. He’s broken.

[RumplesGirl]

Peter may be a villain, but only in the way that Rumplestiltskin is one. We know pre-Dark Rumple was simply a well-intentioned desperate father who wanted to save his son’s life. Well, perhaps Peter is just a little boy who wanted to remain forever a child. Perhaps a bad fairy (Tinker Bell perhaps) tricked Peter into coming to NL, where he became accursed to remain a parentless, lonely child forever. That would be such an E&A move, to first make us fear Peter, but then to show us how he really was just a misunderstood youth who only became a kidnapper out of a desperate need to be rid of his accursed state.

I agree it would be a very A and E thing to do…but why does he rip the shadows out of the boys. It sounds like he needs them for something. And if it a curse that was placed upon him, then the first half of the season is them finding out that Peter isn’t a villain just a cured boy and then the second half is them trying to rid him of his curse? (again, we need a villain)
The ripping shadows off of boys and then holding them hostage just seems so….villain. Like “I’m going to be the big bad for the season” villain, and maybe you’ll understand my motivations someday, but I’m still going to be the big bad.

EDIT

ETA: On another thread, someone suggested that Henry is actually Peter Pan’s look-alike, and I recognized this as the doppelgänger effect. Maybe Peter needs Henry, his look-alike, to somehow reverse this curse that Peter suffers from! 😮 I just noticed Matthew’s post above, in which he mentioned the character who can rip shadows, who is called Doppelman! 😯

Yes, I just read both those posts. I agree that Peter needs Henry for a s very specific reason. But then there are all those little boys who are shadowless. Why does he need them?

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[Slurpeez]

@RumplesGirl wrote:

Peter may be a villain, but only in the way that Rumplestiltskin is one. We know pre-Dark Rumple was simply a well-intentioned desperate father who wanted to save his son’s life. Well, perhaps Peter is just a little boy who wanted to remain forever a child. Perhaps a bad fairy (Tinker Bell perhaps) tricked Peter into coming to NL, where he became accursed to remain a parentless, lonely child forever. That would be such an E&A move, to first make us fear Peter, but then to show us how he really was just a misunderstood youth who only became a kidnapper out of a desperate need to be rid of his accursed state.

I agree it would be a very A and E thing to do…but why does he rip the shadows out of the boys. It sounds like he needs them for something. And if it a curse that was placed upon him, then the first half of the season is them finding out that Peter isn’t a villain just a cured boy and then the second half is them trying to rid him of his curse? (again, we need a villain)
The ripping shadows off of boys and then holding them hostage just seems so….villain. Like “I’m going to be the big bad for the season” villain, and maybe you’ll understand my motivations someday, but I’m still going to be the big bad.

EDIT

ETA: On another thread, someone suggested that Henry is actually Peter Pan’s look-alike, and I recognized this as the doppelgänger effect. Maybe Peter needs Henry, his look-alike, to somehow reverse this curse that Peter suffers from! 😮 I just noticed Matthew’s post above, in which he mentioned the character who can rip shadows, who is called Doppelman! 😯

Yes, I just read both those posts. I agree that Peter needs Henry for a s very specific reason. But then there are all those little boys who are shadowless. Why does he need them?

I don’t think the Lost Boys said Peter has ripped all of their shadows from them, because I believe Baelfire kept his shadow. I think Peter simply knows how to rip shadows, and has even done so to himself, making his own shadow his minion. Felix sounds like he’s even witnessed it. It might be a form of punishment or torture which Peter inflicts upon those who do not adhere to his wishes. Despite how horrid this sounds, Peter’s ability to rip souls is probably comparable to Rumplestiltskin’s ability to be very menacing with his dark magic (e.g. turning men into slugs). Peter the kidnapper probably threatens to rip the shadows as a way to maintain complete control of the Lost Boys. But, despite being plagued with a dark power, Peter the boy could desperately have been searching for a way to be rid of his affliction.

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

[thebassgal]

Or perhaps in Neverland, a shadow acts like a heart?

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