Why Peter Pan is NOT the Shadow

[kpercyman]

What I don’t get it how everyone states that Henry is from both light and dark magic. Bae was born prior to Rumple becoming the Dark One. So Bae is not the product of dark magic. Henry is only the product of light or good magic, i.e. Emma.

I don’t think the Shadow is Peter Pan but is controlled by Pan. Peter Pan was a cursed boy who was sent through the portal to NL. I believe he made a wish that he was afraid to grow up and was sent there. (Kind of Hook filmish) After there he discovered how much he missed his parents. Tinker Bell is the one who granted his wish, ala Fairy Godmotherish. However, magic always comes with a price. He begins to despise magic and looks for a way to take it down, while trying to find a cure so that he can return home. He discovers that the only way home is through a boy, Henry as we now know. His journey begins and he collects boys in the hopes of finding the one that will reunite him with his parents. However, times passes differently and he does not realize that his parents have been gone for centuries.

Not as creative as some but just as simple.

[Keb]

Henry’s birth mother is light magic; Henry was raised by Regina, who represents dark magic. And even though the DO was post-Bae’s conception, the BF was able to see that Bae had been touched by magic. In fact, magic colored and shaped Henry’s entire existence, as well as the lives of all three of his parents and almost all his grandparents, in some fashion (Cora – dark magic, Henry Sr. – married due to magic, killed by magic to enact the curse, Snow & Charming – brought together by magic (mostly Rumple) and both frequently almost killed by it, Rumple – The Dark One, Milah – killed by magic, and if we want to count Hook & Belle, they’ve both been pretty heavily affected by magic as well and used it on occasion). Oh, AND the Charmings were def True Love, so Emma was the product of True Love, and it seems likely that she had True Love with Neal, making Henry True Love Squared. And True Love is the most powerful magic of all.

He is, through both nature and nurture, the product of both.

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[thebassgal]

@Keb wrote:

Henry’s birth mother is light magic; Henry was raised by Regina, who represents dark magic. And even though the DO was post-Bae’s conception, the BF was able to see that Bae had been touched by magic. In fact, magic colored and shaped Henry’s entire existence, as well as the lives of all three of his parents and almost all his grandparents, in some fashion (Cora – dark magic, Henry Sr. – married due to magic, killed by magic to enact the curse, Snow & Charming – brought together by magic (mostly Rumple) and both frequently almost killed by it, Rumple – The Dark One, Milah – killed by magic, and if we want to count Hook & Belle, they’ve both been pretty heavily affected by magic as well and used it on occasion). Oh, AND the Charmings were def True Love, so Emma was the product of True Love, and it seems likely that she had True Love with Neal, making Henry True Love Squared. And True Love is the most powerful magic of all.

He is, through both nature and nurture, the product of both.

This.

[profion]

I think the shadow is peter pan shadow, and he commands it to retrieves boys to him, for he needs their shadows to become young forever, and Henrys is the shadow he really needs for being eternal young.

So, in the next season we´re going to have a creepy kid who is forever young and also steal shadows and it´s pretty mean?

[kfchimera]

I like the theory that Peter wants the Dark Ones powers (specifically the immortality & agelessness) so he doesn’t have to stay in Neverland but still won’t have to grow up. The Shadow could be his, ripped from his own body, but I think it was that of a Lost One, ripped and now a minion of limited intelligence that he can send to do simple tasks as long as it is night/dark.

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

[RumplesGirl]

@Profion wrote:

I think the shadow is peter pan shadow, and he commands it to retrieves boys to him, for he needs their shadows to become young forever, and Henrys is the shadow he really needs for being eternal young.

So, in the next season we´re going to have a creepy kid who is forever young and also steal shadows and it´s pretty mean?

I’m on board with this one. I think he needs the shadows of the young boys to power the island to make sure that it doesn’t move forward in time because time in Neverland is frozen, so long as he has shadows. Henry’s shadow would be the final shadow, once he had Henry’s Peter no longer needs them and maybe he himself becomes immortal and can leave NL without risk of aging.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[kfchimera]

There could be more than one shadow, if PP can “rip” them from people’s bodies. Perhaps PP is a shadow himself because that is just the type of magical creature he is, just like dwarfs and fairies and mermaids just are what they are.

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

[Phee]

@slurpeez108 wrote:

I don’t think the Lost Boys said Peter has ripped all of their shadows from them, because I believe Baelfire kept his shadow. I think Peter simply knows how to rip shadows, and has even done so to himself, making his own shadow his minion. Felix sounds like he’s even witnessed it. It might be a form of punishment or torture which Peter inflicts upon those who do not adhere to his wishes.

Felix: Do you know what he does to people who lie to him?
Hook: No. But I gather it hurts.
Felix: It does. He rips your shadow, right from the body. Rrrrrrrip.

I don’t think Felix has just witnessed it, I think he’s experienced it. Which is why I’m still sticking with it being Felix’s shadow who brought Bae to NL. Also note that it doesn’t say that PP rips everyone’s shadow, just those who lie to him. So I don’t know that he wants Henry’s shadow specifically, he wants the whole Henry package for some reason.

@thebassgal wrote:

Or perhaps in Neverland, a shadow acts like a heart?

This is an awesome concept!!

@SpinningGold wrote:

BTW if in Neverland no one ages I hope they shot all of Bae’s scenes NOW rather than in 6 months when he has had another growth spurth. 😉

😆 I think it was Jeremy in a podcast for the previous ep who noted that portals apparently change your voice. 😉

[RumplesGirl]

I don’t think Felix has just witnessed it, I think he’s experienced it. Which is why I’m still sticking with it being Felix’s shadow who brought Bae to NL. Also note that it doesn’t say that PP rips everyone’s shadow, just those who lie to him. So I don’t know that he wants Henry’s shadow specifically, he wants the whole Henry package for some reason.

I do think Felix has undergone the rrrrrrrriping but I wonder if there is a difference in what happens if you undergo it voluntarily. If you do it of your own free will, maybe you become a loyal servant to Peter, if you don’t do it of your own free will you become an ageless crying boy unable to leave NL.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[astrawoid]

Okay, I have some ideas but they don’t necessarily go together at least I can’t seem to get them into one cohesive theory. 😉

But what if PP is stuck in NL. Maybe his body can’t leave and that’s why he needs Henry. Not necessarily for his shadow but for him as a whole. But PP wants to stay young forever so he can’t just leave NL he has to have the right body to do so. Maybe Henry is the perfect vessel because he is born of true love and comes from a place with magic (FTL parents) but was conceived and born in the Land Without Magic. Therefore he has the ability to carry magic within himself and perhaps even produce magic where there isn’t any (just like Emma?).

The other thought I had was that PP and Henry looked exactly alike. (That’s how the Lost Ones are able to have a picture of him?)

I don’t think PP needs shadows to power NL. I do think NL is cursed so that people don’t age; however, who came up with the curse, I’m not sure. Maybe the original Dark One or PP himself.

Perhaps PP is the original Dark One (others have had this same idea) or the one that created the first Dark One.

I think the Shadow is PP’s but it kind of works in reverse to a heart in that you can control your shadow to do things and say things to others. PP himself can’t leave NL so the shadow does all his dirty work for him in other realms. I think the glowy eyes means that the shadow is separated and is controlled by someone just like a ripped out heart glows. Also the shadow seems to be drawn to kids like Henry (sweet, innocent, brave, full of hope and goodness) so he lures them back to NL in hopes that it’s the right one.

I think the Lost Ones are different than the boys that cry at night. I think the Lost Ones were orphans or kids that were recruited by PP or the shadow for the sole purpose of staying young and serving PP. The crying boys were the ones that the shadow brought back hoping to match the picture.

I don’t know if any of these ideas make any sense or if they even fit together but just some of my thoughts to add to the mix.

"We were happy."
"Because... it was born out of true love."

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