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Okay, one more crazy theory. I think some other people have said a similar thing but here’s my take on it.
Maybe Henry isn’t just the kid that will lead to the Dark One’s undoing but maybe he is the child that will lead to eradicating all magic. (And therefore the Dark One’s power as well.) PP has some reason to hate magic himself. Whether it’s because he was taken from his family when he was young by fairies and brought to NL or because he fell in love with a fairy (Tinkerbell) but something happened to her (or she didn’t love him back) and he blames magic or maybe he got cursed and thinks the only way to get rid of his curse is to get rid of all magic.
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"Because... it was born out of true love."Read over your theory a few times, and here are some of my takes
But what if PP is stuck in NL. Maybe his body can’t leave and that’s why he needs Henry. Not necessarily for his shadow but for him as a whole. But PP wants to stay young forever so he can’t just leave NL he has to have the right body to do so. Maybe Henry is the perfect vessel because he is born of true love and comes from a place with magic (FTL parents) but was conceived and born in the Land Without Magic. Therefore he has the ability to carry magic within himself and perhaps even produce magic where there isn’t any (just like Emma?).
My original thought after SSTR was that the Shadow was looking for a vessel, a host and that’s why it wanted Bae. But if Peter isn’t the Shadow and instead is a real flesh actor, how would he use Henry as a vessel unless we’re talking body swap a la Freaky Friday.
I think the Shadow is PP’s but it kind of works in reverse to a heart in that you can control your shadow to do things and say things to others. PP himself can’t leave NL so the shadow does all his dirty work for him in other realms. I think the glowy eyes means that the shadow is separated and is controlled by someone just like a ripped out heart glows. Also the shadow seems to be drawn to kids like Henry (sweet, innocent, brave, full of hope and goodness) so he lures them back to NL in hopes that it’s the right one.
I do agree that the Shadow belongs to PP and is doing his work, we just have different ideas about why.
Maybe Henry isn’t just the kid that will lead to the Dark One’s undoing but maybe he is the child that will lead to eradicating all magic. (And therefore the Dark One’s power as well.) PP has some reason to hate magic himself. Whether it’s because he was taken from his family when he was young by fairies and brought to NL or because he fell in love with a fairy (Tinkerbell) but something happened to her (or she didn’t love him back) and he blames magic or maybe he got cursed and thinks the only way to get rid of his curse is to get rid of all magic.
Does PP hate magic? It could be that the hating magic bit is just to attract recruits like GOAT. If PP can rip shadows off boys (for whatever reason) that sounds pretty magical to me.
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Okay, I have some ideas but they don’t necessarily go together at least I can’t seem to get them into one cohesive theory. 😉
I can totally empathise with that state of mind right now! 😆
But what if PP is stuck in NL. Maybe his body can’t leave and that’s why he needs Henry. Not necessarily for his shadow but for him as a whole. But PP wants to stay young forever so he can’t just leave NL he has to have the right body to do so. Maybe Henry is the perfect vessel because he is born of true love and comes from a place with magic (FTL parents) but was conceived and born in the Land Without Magic. Therefore he has the ability to carry magic within himself and perhaps even produce magic where there isn’t any (just like Emma?).
I definitely think that PP needs Henry for more than just his shadow, considering Felix told Bae he was gonna get to live because he didn’t match the photo. Henry is certainly a unique being. The position he ended up in, he was the only person in SB who was able to age. If PP is trapped in a young body, but wants to grow up, then it stands to reason that he’d believe that Henry is some special mix of ingredients that’s exactly what he needs.
I don’t think PP needs shadows to power NL. I do think NL is cursed so that people don’t age; however, who came up with the curse, I’m not sure. Maybe the original Dark One or PP himself.
I posted in another thread just before that perhaps the tears of all the sobbing children have a magical quality, which leads me to wonder if perhaps it’s all of those tears that’s what fuels something in NL?
Perhaps PP is the original Dark One (others have had this same idea) or the one that created the first Dark One.
Going along with the idea that everything we’ve seen thus far has been orchestrated by PP to bring Henry to NL, perhaps PP creating The Dark One curse was just another step in his plan?
I think the Shadow is PP’s but it kind of works in reverse to a heart in that you can control your shadow to do things and say things to others. PP himself can’t leave NL so the shadow does all his dirty work for him in other realms. I think the glowy eyes means that the shadow is separated and is controlled by someone just like a ripped out heart glows. Also the shadow seems to be drawn to kids like Henry (sweet, innocent, brave, full of hope and goodness) so he lures them back to NL in hopes that it’s the right one.
The issue I have with the shadow being PP’s is that PP would know exactly what Henry looks like, so his shadow wouldn’t be bringing back kids that are an almost-but-not-quite match, and the kids wouldn’t have to be compared to the pic like Bae was. This is why I’m still thinking that that particular shadow belonged to Felix. Felix’s shadow lost Bae, so Felix had to find Bae, and Felix had to compare Bae to the pic to see if he’d hit the jackpot.
Great connection with the glowing eyes being similar to the glowing hearts!
I join the Pan needs Henry as a vessle to get out of Neverland theory, and who knows, if Pan can look into the future like Rumpel, he might even know he’s coming and uses Henry to get to Rumpel’s power.
Somehow I have this feeling that Pan will possess Henry, and we are gonna see a dark dark version of him. If Jared can pull that off that would be SO cool.
Although Felix’s last words suggested Pan would wanna kill the boy.
It would also be nice if we saw Emma practicing more magic, she’s obviously getting a knack for it, and time and again proves herself more powerful than Regina.
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I join the Pan needs Henry as a vessle to get out of Neverland theory, and who knows, if Pan can look into the future like Rumpel, he might even know he’s coming and uses Henry to get to Rumpel’s power.
Somehow I have this feeling that Pan will possess Henry, and we are gonna see a dark dark version of him. If Jared can pull that off that would be SO cool.
Although Felix’s last words suggested Pan would wanna kill the boy.
It would also be nice if we saw Emma practicing more magic, she’s obviously getting a knack for it, and time and again proves herself more powerful than Regina.
If PP want´s to use Henry as his vessel, then Henry as we know would be dead, just the body would survive. So it makes sense, and I would love to see a Dark version of Henry, that would give Regina another test: try to regain her real son or joining her dark version of a son xD
I think you all need to read the peter pan novels- particularly “Peter Pan and the Shadow thief”. The Shadow thief is Lord Ombra- described as pure evil. Clearly the Shadow in OUAT is Lord Ombra- we obviously have yet to meet him- The twist in OUAT is that Peter Pan is actually working for the shadow- ie searching for and bringing boys to the Shadow. Peter Pan is the guy who brought Bae to the Shadow and is now searching for Henry- He says, when asked if he can find Henry : “It may take some time but I’ll find him. Peter Pan never fails” (clearly meaning “I” never fail).
@ltlbearlaw wrote:
I think you all need to read the peter pan novels- particularly “Peter Pan and the Shadow thief”. The Shadow thief is Lord Ombra- described as pure evil. Clearly the Shadow in OUAT is Lord Ombra- we obviously have yet to meet him- The twist in OUAT is that Peter Pan is actually working for the shadow- ie searching for and bringing boys to the Shadow. Peter Pan is the guy who brought Bae to the Shadow and is now searching for Henry- He says, when asked if he can find Henry : “It may take some time but I’ll find him. Peter Pan never fails” (clearly meaning “I” never fail).
I never read that book but I agree that PP is working for someone not the other way around
@ltlbearlaw wrote:
He says, when asked if he can find Henry : “It may take some time but I’ll find him. Peter Pan never fails” (clearly meaning “I” never fail).
Except that A&E said he wasn’t speaking the third person. I can’t remember where that was now, some interview.
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This is why I’m still thinking that that particular shadow belonged to Felix. Felix’s shadow lost Bae, so Felix had to find Bae, and Felix had to compare Bae to the pic to see if he’d hit the jackpot.
Great connection with the glowing eyes being similar to the glowing hearts!
I’m not sure, since we see Felix has a shadow attached to him in the scene in the below-deck cabin with Hook. All the lost boys walk out, and their shadows reflect on the door opposite, including Felix. It’s the scene right after he tells Hook about the “rrrrripp” so, it would have been a prime moment to edit out HIS shadow verus all the other boys as they pass the door. It could be his shadow if after it is ripped, it hangs around with him unless sent to another world I guess. Sort of an assumption that after a shadow is ripped, that one no longer makes shadows.
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
@Phee wrote:
It would also suggest that PP was manipulating Rumple in the creation of the Curse, and possibly even manipulating BF giving Bae the bean, all pieces of the puzzle that would ultimately lead to the birth of the prophecide boy (Henry) and his being brought to NL.
Perhaps?
I keep coming back to this, Phee, in my mind. Rumple was all gung-ho about fighting in the Ogre War. So excited and proud until he just happened to come across the seer. The seer just happens to find the one person who is going to have this fantastical journey crossing hundreds of years and innumerable curses and magic. I know we talk about fate, but this just reeks of the seer being planted there to set off the events of everything. It’s only after the seer talks to Rumple that the dominos start falling.
So this means the seer could have been working for someone else. She was a child. Maybe she was one of the children that PP took and found out she had special powers and she prophesized all that would be. The she was set back to FTL to set everything into motion. Rumple had to do everything so that Henry would eventually be born…without his machinations Bae would have never left and Henry would never have been conceived.
I still also think that Morraine’s talk with Henry was some kind planning. She just happened to talk to him about Reull Gorhm and the Blue Fairy just happened to have just one bean left that would help him. I can’t quite figure out how BF fits into everything. Unless she’s the role of Tinkerbelle who, imo, desperately loved and extremely jealous of Peter.
My brain hurts, now. :geek:
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