Why the Evil Queen wants Snow and Charming's hearts

[nealfanforever]

I’ve been working on a theory and here it is:

The Evil Queen is Snow White’s dark side, not Regina’s.  Killing Regina will not destroy the Evil Queen.  Killing Snow and Charming will destroy her, because Snow and Charming’s hearts form the heart of the Evil Queen’s alter ego.

I think there was more than simple darkness in Snow.  I believe she had the darkest of magic.  Someone used the Shears of Destiny to cut away her dark magic and put it into Regina.  Perhaps Regina cut Snow’s dark magic away and then absorbed it to save Snow/Mary Margaret. Perhaps Snow cut her dark magic away and put it into Regina. Perhaps Cora, Queen Eva, or even Johanna cut it away.  However it happened, this Evil Queen is Snow’s personality, not Regina’s.

The Evil Queen that we’ve seen for five seasons has been the dark side of Snow White, not the dark side of Regina.  I don’t think it is retcon.  I see clues woven throughout the entire series, not only in the episodes but in the print interviews and comic con panels, going back all the way to 2011.

When Regina was injected by Snow White, the Evil Darkness of Snow White (the Evil Queen) was released from Regina’s body.  She is an Evil Queen we have never seen before because there is not any of Regina in the Queen. There is none of Regina’s goodness to keep the Evil Queen under control. It is full blown Dark Evil Queen Snow…Bloody Mary.

 

 

[Grimmsister]

Wow! well I was looking for a good reason for why EQ is still after Snows heart. And this theory is certainly different and unique. I certainly wouldnt have ever thought of that… But Im not sure I can ever get onboard to liking it though..

No No really I wouldnt like that  🙂 .. It would totally ruin my fave character Regina/EQ… she has to be both.

And what would be the meaning of twisting the story into that? Im just asking, cause its interesting how that would work…and I want to understand exactly what you mean..

edited in: Hmmm you have gotten me thinking.. so now i will be pondering over this idea all night… thanks for no sleep 😉 …kidding!

[nealfanforever]

Wow! well I was looking for a good reason for why EQ is still after Snows heart. And this theory is certainly different and unique. I certainly wouldnt have ever thought of that… But Im not sure I can ever get onboard to liking it though.. No No really I wouldnt like that .. It would totally ruin my fave character Regina/EQ… she has to be both. And what would be the meaning of twisting the story into that? Im just asking, cause its interesting how that would work…and I want to understand exactly what you mean..

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That is a good question and I understand what you are saying about Regina.  She is my absolute favorite character.

Eddie and Adam have said that the story they are writing is about hope and that “Ground Zero” is the relationship with Snow and Regina.  Some of my favorite moments have been between Regina and Snow.  There was the time Ghost Cora was coming after pregnant Snow and Regina put her arm in front of Snow to protect Snow and she told Cora that if Cora wanted Snow, she would have to go through Regina.  The look on Snow’s face to see Regina stepping in and putting her life on the line, well, it was an amazing look.  That episode, Bleeding Through, is one of my top favorite episodes because of the relationship between the two.

The twist, that is a good question.  We know the story is about redemption, and one of the first things that comes to mind is we have not been watching the story we thought we were watching.  Going back to the very beginning, all of Regina’s actions have to be reinterpreted and all of Snow’s as well.  We thought it was a story about a woman, Regina, who went through a tragic situation and blamed a little girl for ruining her life and then set out to destroy her happiness. I’ve always had a problem accepting Regina would turn her anger to Snow instead of Cora, but abused kids do that all the time.  They protect the abuser.  We were slowly shown Regina’s humanity and when we saw light magic and true love’s kiss for Henry it was an amazing moment.  Snow, on the other hand, has not been as easy for me to relate to.  Her altruism, sitting down to write a note to Regina while the huntsman waits to carve out her heart, it is larger than life.  We don’t respond that way.

If this theory proves true, and one of the strongest reasons I think it will is I had the theory before I saw the spoiler that the Evil Queen wanted Snow and Charming’s hearts, if it proves true I believe it will be an exploration into the depths of a narcissistic mind, the manipulation, the envy of everyone else and their happy ending, and the elevation of one’s self at the expense of all others. The darker everyone else can be made to look, the lighter snow whiter the one seeking the role of hero.   This kind of evil is all around us in our real world.  Perhaps the twist is that true redemption is when we all drop our masks and are real and vulnerable with one another.  If the theory is true I think we are going to a type of darkness, perhaps even madness we didn’t see in Regina, not the obvious crazy kook, but the subtle sadistic darkness of a subtle predator.  We’ve seen glimpses of it…when Snow was poised to kill Mulan, when Snow forgot Charming and stripped the soldier and bashed in his knee and threatened to skin him. We’ve seen glimpses of this Snow. I think about Snow’s birthday party.  She had no regard for Regina sitting alone at the table.  Snow glowed in the spotlight of her father’s love, even taking the Queen’s seat next to her father.  She seemed comfortable to usurp Regina. There is a cruelty in this.  Nothing is worse than being on the outside looking in.

It is not absolutely crucial to the theory but for a long time I have pondered Regina being Snow’s real birth mother. Some time ago I laid it out on this site. The ultimate tragedy would be for Regina to have saved her daughter, taken the evil dark magic into herself, and then lost the memory and the relationship. There was that moment when Emma and Snow first met, and we knew they were daughter and mother but they did not know.  If Regina is Snow’s mother, we’ve got five+ seasons of those moments, but we’ve not been in on the secret. But even if it is a step-mother/daughter relationship the pictures still works.

The ultimate twist for me would be Regina finding out she was good all along, and despite how large the darkness became, ultimately she was able to become a hero while the darkness was still in her. She broke a curse with true love’s kiss.  She beamed light magic from her hands and when Zelena asked her what she was doing, her response was, “changing”.  All of this happening while under the abusive shadow of a great darkness.  She found herself despite all that was done to her and if this turns out to be true, she now has the opportunity to grow even more by fighting the battle to help Snow deal with the reality of the truth.  Evil isn’t born, it’s made and perhaps that is the ultimate lesson, when we are in pain, our actions can help others to become heroes or villains, and no one is beyond redemption.  This twist makes Regina’s story all the more tragic thus her victory all the more triumphant.

Here is an interview with Ginnifer Goodwin back in 2011. It is one of many, many interviews and panel discussions and a myriad other clues that point me to a story behind the story.  http://www.backstage.com/interview/ginnifer-goodwin-brings-snow-white-to-life-in-once-upon-a-time/

*We are in the process of moving so I will check back in on the thread when I can.  Listening to Once Comic Con panels and interviews has been a fun way to pass the time while packing.

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[Grimmsister]

I wanted to think more about this theory, because it is a different idea that I hadn’t considered. I would like this as a story.. but only if told on a different show. Not on Once, because I think that then the reveal of it, would come much too late. Our characters would all of a sudden be completely different people from those we know…. I woudnt like this.

But on some positive notes to the theory..- I always wanted Snow to be more corrupt, because metaphorically, it would fit nicely with the Snow White character. Like snow is a beautiful white vail or mask that covers the rotting stuff underneath. And Snows character has always lacked some edge.. there was a bit of it in Bandit Snow, but since coming to Storybrook,, she really hasn’t been doing too much. It seems like she (and Charming) is kind of sidelined all the time… So in a sense, it would be awesome if we found out a reason for that.. like if there actually was a part of her personality that was missing all this time.. but please, lets not rob that personality of off Regina 🙂

I also, like you, always had a problem with how they wrote the reason for Regina turning against Snow and turning to dark magic. It was too weak a reason.. I mean really! Why would she blame an 11 year old girl for telling a secret?… even if Regina thought Snow did it because she wanted her as a stepmother…. The reason is still not good enough in my mind… And I have had to come up with different or more fleshed out reasons in my head, that I think of as my own head canon 😉

But I don’t see any clues, or I cant remember any, that would point to your theory in the show? The scenes you mentioned, I think are just to show that Snow is not ALL good, she does have a potential for darkness or for making wrong decisions, just like the rest of the characters. But again, because of the weakness in the writing,, we sort of feel the need to come up with more fleshed out story for her in our own minds.

The interview, I think, we cant really consider as a clue, since Ginny hasn’t known where her or the overall story was gonna be going from the beginning to the end and she dosnt even know where its going to go now.

I did try considering how this theory could work. And I guess it would be something like this: Around the time when Regina came to Snows fathers castle, or in the first couple of years of her living in the castle, Something happened (but what?) To make Regina’s and Snow’s personalities mix.. Now! I kind of like this part of the idea… it would be interesting if something like that had happened. Also wasn’t this sort of the thing that happened with Lily and Emma?– the Charming couple put Emma’s darkness into Lily right? Knowing Adam and Eddy’s fondness for telling the same type of stories multiple times.. it wouldnt surprise if they were doing it again here. It could have been Rumple who manipulated someone to want to put Snow’s darkness into Regina. If Rumple knew that it was only Regina that he would be able to manipulate into casting the curse. But again, I think, this would be bad for the Regina character. On the other hand, It would put a reason behind Regina’s unrelenting bloodthirst for Snows heart, if it was the evil side of Snow that was longing to have its own heart beating in its chest.. that’s also a cool part to this idea.

So I guess, perhaps it could work.. We never know with this show… I just really wouldn’t like it. Because as I mentioned, it would take away too much from Regina’s character. And I also don’t know what kind of moral that would give to the story.

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