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I agree with all the posts that it is difficult to completely empathize with Regina.
First, Daniel pleaded with her to tell her parents.
Second, she knows what evil her mother is capable of.
Third, you really can’t trust a young child to keep a crucial secret. (I know at our house my daughter reveals everyone’s Christmas and birthday presents within five minutes of being told the secret surprise). Or at least Regina should have be more clear with young SW that Cora was that evil. And as many have mentioned, Cora really manipulated a very naive SW into spilling the beans.
Finally, at least at this point, SW doesn’t even realize that Daniel is dead, so it is rather unfair of EQ to hold such as grudge against SW when the girl doesn’t even understand the repercussions of what she had done.
It does seem obvious that EQ has totally shifted all the blame to SW when it should really have been on Cora. I can only say, Regina may have had a moment when she mentally snapped (when she lied to Snow that Daniel ran off) and has never been able to be rational ever since.
Still, the way the story went, it was hard to end up compassionate for the EQ. It’s strange that the way the OUAT cast & crew built up this episode, they all seemed to hint that we would truly feel for the EQ. Unfortunately, it was not nearly the same as the heart wrenching conflicted feelings about Rumplestiltskin that you get knowing his back stories with Bae and Belle.
[adrotate group="5"]I now pity Regina more than before. Simply put.. Regina is not firing on all cylinders, she’s a few fries short of a happy meal, she’s gone to lunch, the lights are on but nobody’s home, she’s crazy. What I see is that she feels a ten year old girl who only wants for her (Regina) to not live without her mother because her own mother (SW) loved her dearly. And that Regina feels that as contempt because she’s only know pain and suffering from her’s. She feels contempt from a ten year old! She hides a secret for many years, kills the king, kills her horse, kills her father, makes deals with the devil all to ruin the life of a little girl who just wants a mommy. Yep Regina is coo coo for CooCoo Puffs.
Seeing how good and kind she once was makes me sad about what she lost when she decided to turn evil.
I agree with cptcave. It kind of feels like those people who leave cults and have to go through deprogramming before they can function in society again. She seemed to have snapped and then decided to kill everyone who was involved with Daniel’s death. Then she just couldn’t stop being evil – then she started killing people (and things) that weren’t involved with Daniel’s death in order to continue being evil (her horse, her father) and I don’t think she even understand WHY she wanted to be evil or even IF she wanted to be evil at that point. It’s like she needed to go through deprogramming.
BUT – I do feel sorry for her for ONE reason, I think she COULD have been saved except for the fact that I think she did kill her mother and according to Rumple, if you kill someone evil you become as evil as they are. I have the feeling she killed her mother not understanding that. So if that is true, I do feel sorry for her because I don’t think she necessarily has control over her actions the way a normal person would. And I think Regina may be one of the reasons that Rumple wants to do away with magic – not because they are enemies, but because he sees her as a victim as well, even if he doesn’t admit it to her.
I don’t feel sorry for Rumpel at all. I feel more sympathy towards Regina because she at least had a completely messed up childhood. As far as we know Rumpel was already a bad man when he became the dark one.
King Arthur, I agree with you 100%.
Snow was a child, who was manipulated by Cora in a particularly vicious way. When she told her Regina’s secret, she honestly thought she was doing something good. She had such a great mother, that it was difficult for her to imagine that a mother could be so evil. For Regina to hate a child so much and for so long is just not acceptable. Besides, look at all the people she hurt just to get her revenge. Those people had nothing to do with what happened. It’s just plain evil. If anything, this episode made me despise her even more.
For me, it also hints as to why she wanted to adopt Henry: she wanted to be the kind of parent her mother never was, and instead wanted to be like her father (hence the name). It’s ironical that she failed miserably: the kid hates her just as much as she hated her mother. And she is just as evil.@cptcave wrote:
I now pity Regina more than before. Simply put.. Regina is not firing on all cylinders, she’s a few fries short of a happy meal, she’s gone to lunch, the lights are on but nobody’s home, she’s crazy.
Yes, pity is what I feel for her after this ep. She made the wrong choice, like, REALLY wrong, when she took that anger that should have been directed at her mother and instead directed it at an innocent child. But considering how abusive her mother was, I guess it’s not surprising that Regina had a twisted view of things.
@rumplegoldfan wrote:
And I think Regina may be one of the reasons that Rumple wants to do away with magic – not because they are enemies, but because he sees her as a victim as well, even if he doesn’t admit it to her.
Interesting thought. So in screwing her over, he’s actually trying to do her a favour. He knows she’d never give up her own power, but maybe he can do it for her. Hmmm, puts a whole new spin on his motives.
@hjbau wrote:
As far as we know Rumpel was already a bad man when he became the dark one.
Really? I didn’t get that at all, actually quite the opposite. The only reason he wanted any kind of power was so he could prevent his son from going to fight in a senseless war. Saving your child’s life is a perfectly acceptable reason to want power to wield IMO.
This episode definitely made me pity her but it didn’t really make me understand her anger towards Snow White because if anyone should know how manipulative her mother could be it should have been Regina. But perhaps Regina took her anger out on Snow White because she knew it would be impossible to do so against her mother.
After watching last night’s episode I find it particularly interesting the position the curse has put Regina in. Snow lost her mother who she dearly loved at a young age. Regina had a horrible mother who clearly messed up Regina beyond repair (and Regina may have been the child that Rumple wanted to take away from Cora). Regina could have been a loving stepmother to Snow. Snow never had the opportunity to be a mother to her own child, Emma who Rumple gave to Regina. Now Regina has the opportunity to change the odd parenting patterns and actually love Henry who is also Snow’s grandson. In some ways has the curse actually caused Snow to provide Regina with a new love? And if Regina is the child that Rumple wanted to take from Cora, I wonder if he feels some kind of bizarre guilt over how Regina turned out because he wasn’t successful in getting her away from Cora.
I disagree with thosenwho think that Regina is not angry with her mother for killing Daniel. She(Regina) didn’t exactly seem happy with her (Cora) atthe end of the episode.
Also, people keep pointing out that Snow was manipulated into telling the secret. That is true, but Regina doesn’t know that. For all Regina knows, Snow searched out Cora in order to tell her. Regina knows her mother is manipulative, but she does not know that Cora manipulated Snow into telling the secret, only that she is capable of doing so. Regina did not know Snow well enough to know that she would try to keep the secret and after this point her opinion of Snow is already prejudiced.
I hope this makes as much sense in writing as it does in my head. 🙂
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