Will you feel sorry for Regina?

[darcyfarrow]

Just a thought…what if, instead of running away, Regina had used her head and decided to fight magic with magic–turning to someone who’s as powerful as Mama? I would’ve loved to see Cora and Rumple square off for a good old-fashioned fire fight.

[dorothy]

Cora vs. Rumple-that would have been EPIC. 😀

[Slurpeez]

I did feel sorry for Regina. Having such a dreadful witch of a mother clearly caused her to snap mentally. That doesn’t mean I can exacuse any of her horrible actions though. Her anger towards a naieve child like Snow White was clearly misdirected. I agree with the assessment that Regina took out her anger on the easier target because Regina couldn’t take on her mother or her magic at that stage. I think we’ll see that in another episode: how to do magic.

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

[darcyfarrow]

It seems like a safe bet that Regina acquired her magic through the same way that Rumple did (though probably with full knowledge of what she was doing). But can magic be inherited or given? How do the fairies get their magic?

[hjbau]

I think the real question is how to Cora acquire her magic? Rumpel i think.

[killianhookfan]

I just watched the episode again and I have this nagging feeling that somehow (and I KNOW the timeline doesn’t seem to make sense) that Cora was Rumple’s wife. In the scene in the stable right after Cora ripped Daniel’s heart out she is giving this big speech to Regina about everything she has sacrificed for her and she ends it by saying something like “Love is nothing. Power is more important. If you have power you never have to depend on anyone every again.” It just sounded so similar to when Rumple kicked Belle out by saying “My power means more to me than you” as a way of trying to deny that he loved her – as if he heard something similar said to him in a hurtful manner in the past. And based upon what the guard said to Rumple about his wife leaving him because he was a coward who ran from a war – Rumple was a stable-type guy like Daniel who Cora clearly detested and said she had worked her way up from that kind of life, it could be that she felt that Rumple being a poor “coward” was someone she couldn’t depend on so she needed to become powerful. And that could be the reason she left, and Rumple told Bae his mother was dead instead of letting him know what she is really like. So after watching a second time – I do feel sorry for Regina – I think her mother was so wacked and Regina had such a screwed up life that she literally snapped and just totally mentally lost it – and when that happened her mother told her “Well played, I’m so proud of you.” Even more wacked!!! I think that Regina and Rumple became acquainted because they both wanted to get revenge on Cora for how she had hurt them but Regina ultimately killed her and ended up becoming evil because of it. It gives us an entirely new context to when Regina told Rumple “You should get a new girl” when he kicked her out of his house after telling him that Belle had died.

[LisaFromOH]

To answer the title question (unlike my previous post on this thread, sorry), yes, I do feel sorry for Regina. While listening to the podcast today, it hit me why Regina is apparently more angry at Snow than at her mother; she had trusted Snow. That is doubly sad, that her confidence was betrayed by someone she trusted (even if all of us understand Snow acted with the best of intentions) and that she didn’t trust her mother. Cora acted in much the same way she had Regina’s whole life by killing Daniel (not meaning to imply she’s a mass murderer, just that she was consistently evil), which is a huge reason why I feel sorry for Regina.
Sorry for all the parentheses.

[Phee]

@LisaFromOH wrote:

Also, people keep pointing out that Snow was manipulated into telling the secret. That is true, but Regina doesn’t know that. For all Regina knows, Snow searched out Cora in order to tell her. Regina knows her mother is manipulative, but she does not know that Cora manipulated Snow into telling the secret, only that she is capable of doing so. Regina did not know Snow well enough to know that she would try to keep the secret and after this point her opinion of Snow is already prejudiced.

That’s a fair point, she didn’t know for sure how that conversation happened. It wouldn’t have been a stretch for her to put 2 and 2 together and realise that Cora had manipulated Snow, but in the heat of the moment when she found out Snow had blabbed, she probably wasn’t thinking that deeply about it, she just had a snap reaction.

@rumplegoldfan wrote:

In some ways has the curse actually caused Snow to provide Regina with a new love?

Ya know, it kinda has. Too bad for Regina that she’s failing at the mother – child relationship she’s been given the opportunity for.

@slurpeez108 wrote:

I agree with the assessment that Regina took out her anger on the easier target because Regina couldn’t take on her mother or her magic at that stage. I think we’ll see that in another episode: how to do magic.

Yes, I’m hoping we’ll see Regina unleash some rage on Cora in a future ep. That will be fabulous!

At this stage I’m going with the idea that Regina didn’t get her powers in exactly the same way that Rumple got his, I’m thinking she just stole her mother’s powers (perhaps with some help from Rumple?) and banished her to Wonderland.

@rumplegoldfan wrote:

I just watched the episode again and I have this nagging feeling that somehow (and I KNOW the timeline doesn’t seem to make sense) that Cora was Rumple’s wife. In the scene in the stable right after Cora ripped Daniel’s heart out she is giving this big speech to Regina about everything she has sacrificed for her and she ends it by saying something like “Love is nothing. Power is more important. If you have power you never have to depend on anyone every again.” It just sounded so similar to when Rumple kicked Belle out by saying “My power means more to me than you” as a way of trying to deny that he loved her – as if he heard something similar said to him in a hurtful manner in the past. And based upon what the guard said to Rumple about his wife leaving him because he was a coward who ran from a war – Rumple was a stable-type guy like Daniel who Cora clearly detested and said she had worked her way up from that kind of life, it could be that she felt that Rumple being a poor “coward” was someone she couldn’t depend on so she needed to become powerful. And that could be the reason she left, and Rumple told Bae his mother was dead instead of letting him know what she is really like.

Timeline impossibilities aside, I think it’d be interesting if this ended up being true. It’d mean that Rumple DID in fact get the miller’s daughter’s first born. No, he wasn’t magical at the time, and there was no straw spinning involved in the story, but it’d still be a shoutout to the theme of the original story. Considering they’ve injected Rumple into all the other stories, he probably doesn’t need his own told in the way we know it, so maybe it just never happened like that in the Once-iverse.

Maybe he was married to the miller’s daughter, and she had a son, but it was the result of an affair, (the Dark One implied that Rumple might not actually be Bae’s father). Rumple comes back from war labeled a coward and Cora takes off, either with Bae’s bio dad, or on her own, leaving the baby behind, (safe to assume that Bae’s mother disappeared when he was a baby coz he’s relying on Rumple’s info as to what happened to her). Maybe Cora came back at some point, after Rumple had become the Dark One, and ended up taking some of his powers? Have we seen Rumple do that trick that the Dark One did? Where he raised his fist and the magic controlled people? Zoso did it, Cora did it, but I dunno that we’ve seen Rumple do it? So perhaps Cora somehow stole just enough of Rumple’s powers that it granted her some sort of immortality? That’d solve the timeline problem.

@rumplegoldfan wrote:

– and when that happened her mother told her “Well played, I’m so proud of you.” Even more wacked!!!

What got me was when he told Regina she’d done something right for the first time ever. Gee, thanks mum. 🙄 Then it tuns out that that whole situation had been set up by Cora anyway.

@rumplegoldfan wrote:

I think that Regina and Rumple became acquainted because they both wanted to get revenge on Cora for how she had hurt them

I could totally see that a common enemy like Cora could bring them together. To pick up from the other theory I speculated on just above, maybe Regina goes to Rumple because she’s desperate to have some power over her mother and he’s all, “Ya know, she did this trick on me once where she stole some of my powers. Turn about is fair play, here’s how you can do the same thing to her.”

[adevilishdiva]

I’m afraid that I honestly don’t agree with the excuse that Snow White is just a child. Yes, if she was a five year old then obviously she wouldn’t know any better. But at ten years old, only three years away from being a teenager, she should know better. She should know that all promises should be kept! Regina has every right to be angry with Snow White for betraying her trust. Especially when it cost Daniel his life. I do agree that she should also be angry with her mother for everything that transpired, as it was she who actually killed Daniel. Of course, we don’t exactly know what happened to Regina’s mother yet. Regina could very well have sought her vengeance on her mother as we don’t see her in flashbacks of earlier episodes that portrayed Regina’s fairy tale life.

However, to answer your question. Yes, I do feel sorry for Regina. As it is stated many times “Evil is not born. It’s made.” She wasn’t evil until she lost her love. Snow White made that evil spark to life within Regina when she betrayed her secret and created that metaphorical snowball that ruined EQ’s life.

[hjbau]

I actually agree that Regina has every right to be angry with Snow for what she did. She just does not have the right to kill her father, kill her, and curse everyone in their world. And Regina made the choice to react that way, even if she snapped a bit, which she did, there is still a choice to go down this path. I do feel sorry for Regina because of how her mother was and because of what happened to Daniel.

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