Out in Storybrooke: Who should have a Queery Tale romance?

[RumplesGirl]

RumplesGirl wrote:

As for the topic at hand, I like the idea of Elsa being the first openly gay character on the show. The only thing I wouldn’t want is a ONCE twist where Anna was her lover, instead of sister.The beauty of Frozen was the sisterly relationship

Don’t see them changing that, it would be a great and welcomed contrast to the bad sister relationship we just had with Regina and Zelena, and as much as they might like to put their own twist on characters, that would be too much of a twist even for OUaT. No, don’t worry about them making Anna anything else but Elsa’s sister.

🙂 Thanks!!

In that case, I like #ReditGo best. Any excuse to get Red back, right? Plus, in the movie, Elsa is often accused of being a monster, something Red knows a great deal about.

[Felie]

HappyEndings wrote:

No one!!!! These are Fairy Tales not Glee if you want that kind of stuff what Glee they have several on that show and others this doesn’t need to be in in Fairy Tales.

 

First off I understand that the inclusion of LGBT characters may seem a little daunting to some people, but as a member of this community I can’t stress enough how offensive it is to call LGBT romance/relationships ‘that kind of stuff’, as if you are referring to something dirty and sordid, akin to pornography.

Second, we know these are fairy tales. In fact, the whole premise of the show is a ‘spin on the classics’ (or more aptly, the Disney renditions), so why can’t it include the addition of an LGBT character or two (and I’m not satisfied with the Mulan/Aurora- barely detectable- lesbian angle)? What would be the harm in giving Elsa a female lover? Or turning Jasmine into a dude and making Aladin gay?

Just to be clear, I’m not asking these questions to be condescending or to try to make you look bad, I genuinely want to know people’s objections to LGBT characters.

"so there’s this new show….."
"there’s lesbians in it"

[Felie]

Thanks!!

In that case, I like #ReditGo best. Any excuse to get Red back, right? Plus, in the movie, Elsa is often accused of being a monster, something Red knows a great deal about.

I’m hoping she already has/had an established relationship, since I would like to see a positive portrayal of a happy, stable, same-sex relationship sometime in the show, instead of one brought about and built on a foundation of one partner being the other’s saviour/salvation. Whether they choose to have that in the past, in which it is ruined by Rumple (speculation!), and then have Elsa meet and fall for Red is not really that important to me (though #ReditGo is just pure win!). As long as the portrayal of the relationship is positive and based on mutual respect, with no major power imbalance, I really don’t mind who she’s with.

"so there’s this new show….."
"there’s lesbians in it"

[Grimmsister]

I think in a show like Once, a same sex romance would be a good idea. I dont think its good when its a ‘throphy’ thing or you know when its just put there for the sake of it being there.

But on Once it would make good sense because its about true love.. and especially the kids and Young folk watching, should see that true love can come in more than just the old fashioned way.

I can see Tink as a great character for a relationship with a girl. She and Mulan would be good together perhabs.

[PriceofMagic]

Just to be clear, I’m not asking these questions to be condescending or to try to make you look bad, I genuinely want to know people’s objections to LGBT characters.

I think you get two types of LGBT characters. The first is where they’re like any other character on the show and their sexuality is a minor detail in the grand scheme of things. They might get a storyline based around their sexuality such as coming out to the people they love or coming to terms with their own sexuality. The second is an LGBT character who is so over the top and so stereotypically effeminate that it’s extremely irritating.

An example of the first type is Willow and Tara from Buffy. They treated this relationship on the show just like any other relationship on the show, this one just happened to be between two women. They dealt with Willow coming out as a lesbian and they also wrote the characters in such a way where there defining trait was not their sexuality. They were well written, well acted and as an audience you were routing for them.

An example of the second type is the gay son of Betty’s sister from Ugly Betty. He was so over the top and so stereotypically effeminate that it was extremely irritating to the point where I used to either mute the tv or change the channel when ever the character had a major speaking part in a scene. I only watched a couple of episodes of Ugly Betty here and there so wasn’t a massive fan of the show but that character alone was enough to put me off the whole show. The gay son was practically screaming “I’m gay” in every scene he was in, that was his defining trait. The show also had a much more well written, better acted gay character on the show but the son was just an awful representation of an LGBT character.

Elsa would be a good option for an LGBT character on Once, especially as she doesn’t have a Disney canon true love. Red would be a good option though the writers seemed to like Frankenwolf. Mulan and Elsa would be a good combination.

Henry would be a good choice of LGBT character as well. He’s a regular and they could deal with all he issues of him realising he doesn’t like girls in the way he likes boys.

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[Crystal Princess]

I Really think it’s important to remember that there is no one way to be queer and that “Loud” queers do exist and shouldn’t be shamed. Some overly camp gay guys do grate on me a bit, but so do lots of other sorts of people.

I don't cause commotions, I am one.

[Crystal Princess]

No one!!!! These are Fairy Tales not Glee if you want that kind of stuff what Glee they have several on that show and others this doesn’t need to be in in Fairy Tales.

So in other words, queer people don’t deserve a happy ending?

That’s probably one of the most hateful and depressing things I’ve read on here, I already get that feeling a lot but to see it said outright is just :/

I’m going to cry now. I just found out about a transgirl in my extended circle who killed herself a few days ago.

Feeling pretty sad and angry about everything and how people like me are treated.

I don't cause commotions, I am one.

[RumplesGirl]

I am going to repeat what I said  a few pages back

Please remember that this is a thread for discussing the possibility of a Queer romance on ONCE, for people who would like to see it. If you are opposed to this, please try to find a more polite way of discussing it without shouting at people.

 

In other words: let’s not turn this thread into a battle ground of whether or not you think LGBT is “good” or “bad” (for wont of better terms cause 11:00pm). People who are commenting in this thread believe that an LGBT character/relationship has just as much right to be in this show as any sort of heterosexual one and are discussing who would be ideal in our minds.

Daniel and I have had a few talks about this very topic and I will stress what he and I have come up with now: this forum is open to any sort of conversation about what we would like to see on ONCE. All thoughts, so long as they abide by the rules set by Daniel (no swearing or foul language and nothing sexually explicit) will be allowed. What will not be allowed is intolerance. If you are opposed to the idea of an LGBT relationship/character on ONCE please remember that we do not want this to become a moral, political, ethical, or religious war zone. This is a topic that is being given careful and thoughtful consideration and conversation, like any other ‘ship thread on this site. If you are opposed to the ideas being presented here, refrain from flaming, hatred, or vilifying. It will not be tolerated.

 

Ok. I’m stepping off my Keymaster box now.

I Really think it’s important to remember that there is no one way to be queer and that “Loud” queers do exist and shouldn’t be shamed. Some overly camp gay guys do grate on me a bit, but so do lots of other sorts of people.

I do agree with this, but this leads me to a question and honestly I’m trying to figure out the best way to put this…
Is there a WRONG way for ONCE to do an LGBT relationship? In other words, as a member of that community (Crystal and others who are reading this and are)–is there a way that would NOT be acceptable for your community–if we leave anything abusive or manipulative, ect.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[TheWatcher]

In regards to Elsa, as I said earlier in chat this morning, I’m fine with her going either way (being gay, straight or simply not having a love interest at all, that is). But my MAIN concern with this character is that I dont want whatever relationship she has to overshadow that of her sisterly relationship with Anna. Regardless of the gender, Elsa’s relationship with Anna should be first and foremost and if it gets the backseat just to showcase Elsa being in love with whomever then I will be very disappointed and will flip so many orcas. Same with Merida and her relationship to her mother. A relationship is nice but there are other aspects to the character that shouldn’t be ignored.

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[Phee]

Crystal, I’m so sorry about your friend. Even if it’s not someone you were immediate friends with, that doesn’t dull how tragic it is when someone takes their own life. *HUGS*

Is there a WRONG way for ONCE to do an LGBT relationship? In other words, as a member of that community (Crystal and others who are reading this and are)–is there a way that would NOT be acceptable for your community–if we leave anything abusive or manipulative, ect.

I second that question. I’ve said before certain things about how I wouldn’t want to see LGBTQ characters represented, but that’s just the opinion of a straight person who doesn’t want others with already negative views to be given more fuel to add to the fire because it saddens me to see people buy into that ignorant mindset. If this show portrayed a same sex relationship in a way that challenged and changed the negative views that some people have, that would be a wonderful thing.

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