Out in Storybrooke: Who should have a Queery Tale romance?

[PriceofMagic]

I’m not sure why Snow or Charming would have an issue. I get that they come across as the family oriented dull-ish couple of the show, but that doesn’t mean they’d be homophobic. I know many family oriented people who are also dull and not homophobic. And, to be fair to Snow and Charming, they’re the couple that believes in love above all else. I honestly don’t think they’d take issue with a non-heterosexual pairing.
Same with Rumple. Rumple is so flamboyant (Dark One Rumple especially) at times, I’ve often wondered if Bobby is playing him as bisexual.

I think, Snow especially, gets images in her head about how things should work out and she likes to try and make those images a reality. For example, she probably thought that telling Cora about Regina and Daniel would lead to a heartfelt reunion between mother and daughter and everybody would live happily ever after. Look how well that worked out. Likewise Snow was trying to push Regina and Robin together in the EF and Emma and Neal. Snow can’t leave things alone.

Snowing would probably be okay with an LGBT relationship, I just thought it would be interesting if their view of it wasn’t necessarily what you’d expect of them.

[TheWatcher]

Snowing would probably be okay with an LGBT relationship, I just thought it would be interesting if their view of it wasn’t necessarily what you’d expect of them.

Exactly. We would assume Snow White of all people would be more than accepting of homosexual relationship. It’d be kind of twisty if she isn’t, or starts out that way and eventually gets over it. Sure, they may be fairy tales, but they are people too, and not everyone agrees with this or that. I actually see Snow having a problem with it more so than Charming for whatever reason 😛

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[Felie]

Exactly. We would assume Snow White of all people would be more than accepting of homosexual relationship. It’d be kind of twisty if she isn’t, or starts out that way and eventually gets over it. Sure, they may be fairy tales, but they are people too, and not everyone agrees with this or that. I actually see Snow having a problem with it more so than Charming for whatever reason

Because two hot women hooking up would… you get the picture.

But on a more serious note, I agree that it would be a twist if Snow (or someone else unexpected) was against/disgusted by same-sex relationships. Regina comes across as someone who would never be bothered by such things, except maybe to keep Henry away from it? Then there’s Granny, Jepeto (sp?), that mean king… just the older generation in general, though I admit that it’s an extremely negative stereotype which is not always true. And as someone mentioned earlier the writers may just by-pass the expected homophobia by having same-sex relationships be nbd in FTL.

I think I have my heart set on head-cannoning Elsa into a lesbian, and I fear I will be extremely disappointed with the portrayal of her character next season 🙁

"so there’s this new show….."
"there’s lesbians in it"

[RumplesGirl]

And as someone mentioned earlier the writers may just by-pass the expected homophobia by having same-sex relationships be nbd in FTL.

I think I would actually prefer them to bypass it. Not because it’s not an important issue, but because I fear it would get to PSA-ish. If you just show that homosexual love is NO BIG DEAL, is 100% normal, just like heterosexual love, and you don’t have your heterosexual couples weighing the merits of a homosexual love story then your audience might be more predisposed. But you take Charming or Snow or even a more minor character like George or Granny and put homophobic thoughts and words into their mouth, I think you run the risk of giving that position more power. Just make it no big deal: love is love is love. It shouldn’t be treated like a spectacle.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[Myril]

I have to disagree here, OUAT has yet to present a male/male relationship at all, whereas at least they have shown Mulan/Aurora. I’m not a queer woman, but I too feel slightly misrepresented since I’m black. Every black character we’ve had has either been unimportant, evil, gone missing from the show, dead, or all of the above. But that doesn’t mean just because the black viewers of OUAT may be minimal than other races, that we shouldn’t get shown more often either so that they can have something for the others. Besides, shouldn’t showing great portrayal of a queer couple in general be a good thing for ALL members of the LGBT community?

TheWatcher – I agree with you, that OUaT lacks diversity in more than one way, and even more so on the level of recurring or regular characters. Why make Robin Hood a white man for example? And I guess, plenty of people would ask, how that could be, with alleged historical English background for that character, but so what? It’s still just a legend and this is a fantasy show. Advantage of Sean Maguire is his “natural” British accent, but come on, it’s not like there are no British actors of color, as there are people good with imitating accents, it worked for Lancelot.

But back to queer representation

I don’t mind if we get gay or lesbian queer couple in general. There is just one thing for me: OUaT stands out as a show with having a nearly even number of female and male main and lead characters , while the majority of TV still have a majority of male main characters and leads (and with recurring and supporting characters the number is not better). If it comes to equality of gender (though this is bound to a binary modell, the number of transgender or non-binary is close to zero) it looks a bit better with queer characters, but it was just past year that it was as good as equal,, before the same that goes for characters in general, a majority of male characters, was true for queer characters as well. So, like Crystal think of lesbian romance as a story arc for a recurring or regular character more fitting for the show

Hook is a pirate…. His spent a lot of time on the open sea with tons of sea men, I wouldn’t be surprised if he reveals he had a few flings at one point.

Hook reminds me somewhat of Jack Harkness sometimes (Torchwood, Dr. Who; time traveler and con man turned mostly good guy, openly bisexual). So, yes, why shouldn’t he be bisexual even.

I think this depends on the attitudes in the EF over THEIR history with homosexuality, not our history, though. The EF and our world aren’t the same. For all we know, the EF is super tolerant and has been 100% gay friendly for thousands of years.

Agreed, just because it looks like they had more of medieval world in the Enchanted Forest doesn’t mean they have the same religious and philosophical views that were dominant in medieval Europe. Even though someone like the Blue Fairy seemed to have a bit of conservative view on things, for example if it came to fairies or dwarfs and true love – although it was more about them having a certain role in the world which seemed to come with the downside of giving up finding your true love for yourself, and the dwarfs were thought of incapable of it, more the situation of nuns, monks, eunuchs (so consequently the fairies became some sort of order of nuns in Storybrooke).

But I am reluctant about making the reactions to a queer romance a point in the show, because I don’t want another coming out story, exactly not focus on it being a queer romance but simply a romance. So if conflict with other characters or others questioning it, then I’d rather prefer it to be not because of gender but because of other issues, their background, appearance, behavior. More in the sense for example of, that it’s just a peasant, not worthy of a princess, or a queer variation of Romeo and Juliet.

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[RumplesGirl]

TheWatcher – I agree with you, that OUaT lacks diversity in more than one way, in even more so on the level of recurring or regular characters. Why make Robin Hood a white dude for example? And I guess, plenty of people would ask, how that could be, with alleged historical background for that character, but so what? It’s still just a legend and this is a fantasy show. Advantage of Sean Maguire is his “natural” british accent, but come on, it’s not like there are no British actors of color as there are people could with imitating accent, it worked for Lancelot.

Robin is a perfect example of where they could have been really bold in their representation. There are plenty of Robin Hood films staring white guys, but if we’re going by Disney standards–he was a fox. Meaning they literally could do anything they wanted with a more Disney-esque version of Robin Hood. They could have made him white, black, green haired, red haired, bisexual, pansexual…ect.

But I am reluctant about making the reactions to a queer romance a point in the show, because I don’t want another coming out story, exactly not focus on it being a queer romance but simply a romance. So if conflict with other characters or others questioning it, then I’d rather prefer it to be not because of gender but because of other issues, their background, appearance, behavior. More in the sense for example of, that it’s just a peasant, not worthy of a princess, or a queer variation of Romeo and Juliet.

Yes I agree.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[Felie]

I think I would actually prefer them to bypass it. Not because it’s not an important issue, but because I fear it would get to PSA-ish. If you just show that homosexual love is NO BIG DEAL, is 100% normal, just like heterosexual love, and you don’t have your heterosexual couples weighing the merits of a homosexual love story then your audience might be more predisposed. But you take Charming or Snow or even a more minor character like George or Granny and put homophobic thoughts and words into their mouth, I think you run the risk of giving that position more power. Just make it no big deal: love is love is love. It shouldn’t be treated like a spectacle.

This.

I also like the fact that taking this road means more time to progress the actual story, instead of going off on an anti-homophobic tangent (even though I know these messages are valuable).

"so there’s this new show….."
"there’s lesbians in it"

[TheWatcher]

Hmmm. I agree, I wouldn’t want it to be all PSA-Ish… But at the same time, I find it hard to believe that EVERYONE in SB would simply agree with the LGBT lifestyle. It could be a good way to…combat negative views? But again, hopefully not to preachy, and not as a full storyline. A brief bit of dialogue would suffice if done correctly.

There are plenty of Robin Hood films staring white guys, but if we’re going by Disney standards–he was a fox.

I suddenly had an image of Regina kissing an anthropomorphic fox wearing cloths xD

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[PriceofMagic]

Hmmm. I agree, I wouldn’t want it to be all PSA-Ish… But at the same time, I find it hard to believe that EVERYONE in SB would simply agree with the LGBT lifestyle. It could be a good way to…combat negative views? But again, hopefully not to preachy, and not as a full storyline. A brief bit of dialogue would suffice if done correctly.

I agree. They could have the antagonist be the one with the issue but that might make it too preachy. Having Snow be the one with the issue would be much more interesting because she would be the one you least expect to have a problem.

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[obisgirl]

>Felie wrote:

And as someone mentioned earlier the writers may just by-pass the expected homophobia by having same-sex relationships be nbd in FTL.

I think I would actually prefer them to bypass it. Not because it’s not an important issue, but because I fear it would get to PSA-ish. If you just show that homosexual love is NO BIG DEAL, is 100% normal, just like heterosexual love, and you don’t have your heterosexual couples weighing the merits of a homosexual love story then your audience might be more predisposed. But you take Charming or Snow or even a more minor character like George or Granny and put homophobic thoughts and words into their mouth, I think you run the risk of giving that position more power. Just make it no big deal: love is love is love. It shouldn’t be treated like a spectacle.

I agree RG. I watch my soaps (when there’s good writing) and sometimes, the writing when it comes to gay couples can be very good or there’s a nice build up to the relationship but falls flat very quickly.

And the way Adam and Eddie write, I can see them doing something like that and disappointing the fans with the way it was done.

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