Out in Storybrooke: Who should have a Queery Tale romance?

[PriceofMagic]

I think they would need to write some angst for the LGBT couple otherwise they’d just be swept under the rug because we don’t really get the character moments where everything is fine and well.

So either they need to create angst from within the couple themselves or they need to create angst externally for the couple.

[TheWatcher]

I think they would need to write some angst for the LGBT couple otherwise they’d just be swept under the rug because we don’t really get the character moments where everything is fine and well.

So either they need to create angst from within the couple themselves or they need to create angst externally for the couple.

This.

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[RumplesGirl]

I think they would need to write some angst for the LGBT couple otherwise they’d just be swept under the rug because we don’t really get the character moments where everything is fine and well.

So either they need to create angst from within the couple themselves or they need to create angst externally for the couple.

Oh I agree that there needs to be angst, but why does angst need to be an acceptance storyline? No one questions Snowing or Rumbelle being together–everyone accepts that they are true love and that’ its 100% a-okay.

By pointing out that the homosexual couple needs to work for acceptance from our established cast of characters, I think you run the risk of saying that ALL (non fictional_) homosexual couples need to work for heterosexual acceptance because the message is “there is something wrong with your type of relationship”. And that makes my insides sad.

So yes, angst to avoid rug sweeping, but I’d really rather it not be the same-sex true love couple fighting for acceptance.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[PriceofMagic]

Oh I agree that there needs to be angst, but why does angst need to be an acceptance storyline? No one questions Snowing or Rumbelle being together–everyone accepts that they are true love and that’ its 100% a-okay.

Technically Moe wasn’t really accepting of RumBelle, to the point where he tried to send Belle over the townline to forget herself just so RumBelle would be kept apart. He’s accepted it but he didn’t accept it initially. Also the reason why everyone “accepts” Snowing and RumBelle as true love and that it’s “100% A-Okay” is because both Snowing and RumBelle have been shown to be true love through the use of TLK. Give a TLK to the LGBT couple and the audience would accept them.

By pointing out that the homosexual couple needs to work for acceptance from our established cast of characters, I think you run the risk of saying that ALL (non fictional_) homosexual couples need to work for heterosexual acceptance because the message is “there is something wrong with your type of relationship”. And that makes my insides sad.

So yes, angst to avoid rug sweeping, but I’d really rather it not be the same-sex true love couple fighting for acceptance.

The majority of the established characters would be okay with the homosexual couple, it would just be one or two of the characters that has a problem (Snow would be an interesting choice because you wouldn’t expect it of her). The character with the problem wouldn’t be treated as being right in their opinion by the other characters. Homophobia is an issue that exists so it wouldn’t make sense to pretend it doesn’t happen. In a town like Storybrooke, there are going to be people that have a problem and Once would have a chance to show how that line of thinking isn’t right rather than sweeping it under a rug and pretending it doesn’t exist.

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Keeper of Felix

[RumplesGirl]

Also the reason why everyone “accepts” Snowing and RumBelle as true love and that it’s “100% A-Okay” is because both Snowing and RumBelle have been shown to be true love through the use of TLK. Give a TLK to the LGBT couple and the audience would accept them.

You have far more faith in an American audience than I do.
Any same-sex couple that comes to ONCE is already going to have detractors because people believe that this show is “family-oriented” and shouldn’t include homosexuality in any form. (I am not one of these people, but trust me…they exist in our audience). By making Snow or Charming, ect be homophobic or less accepting, you add fuel to those who are already against it. “Look at the classic love story couple! They get it. They know it’s wrong” That’s the mentality you’d see.

In a town like Storybrooke, there are going to be people that have a problem and Once would have a chance to show how that line of thinking isn’t right rather than sweeping it under a rug and pretending it doesn’t exist.

But they aren’t from Storybrooke. They are from the EF and we don’t know what the attitudes are toward same-sex couples homosexuals are in that realm. And why does being in SB mean that there are automatically going to be people who have a problem with it? What if they all are incredibly liberal? Maine is one of the more liberal states in the USA–they legalized gay marriage several years ago. Of course that bigotry exists–out there in the real world. But these aren’t people from our world. For all we know, being a homosexual in the EF is so commonplace (but as of yet unexplored) that no one even thinks twice about it. THAT’s the message ONCE should be sending–there is nothing wrong with this and it’s 100% normal.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[PriceofMagic]

@RG, I was thinking that Charming and Emma would be okay wit it and Snow would be the one with the problem.

The LGBT couple have to have some sort of drama. If not that, what would it be?

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Keeper of Felix

[TheWatcher]

I think what RG is saying is that the LGBT couple can have drama,  but that it shouldn’t be drama that calls attention to the fact that they are an LGBT couple? Just “normal” drama that any other couple should also be able to go through regardless of whatever. Is that correct RG?

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[Crystal Princess]

I think it’s really important to understand that glossing over the real issues faced by LGBT people and just having them “exactly the same as everyone else” is NOT representative of reality and can give people the false impression that there are no issues of privilege etc. that we need to tackle to achieve real equality/social justice. There is the idea, mostly held by straight people who consider themselves not atallhomophobic(looking at you Jim Sterling) that understated gay romances are the best way to do it, period. Because it’s not making a “big deal of it”, as if art should never be used to teach anything.

HOWEVER OUAT is a fairytale show and while it’s possible to deal with those issues here I do agree that there are all sorts of problems that could come up here, and in this case, because it’s providing queer people with their fairy tale romances at long last etc., it should just be a thing that happens. OUAT is already dangerously close to soap opera territory and we need to avoid that. Most likely it’ll be minor quips etc. that reference the idea of homophobia but not something any one character commits to – which would be very in character for Snowing for example – so we don’t ignore the idea but it’s not an actual part of the story that affects anything.

S1 Snow White is one of my favourite characters and there was a time when I looked on Snowing fondly, so I would hate for a character I identify with be one that does not truly accept my existence. That’s really important to consider.

Interestingly enough, the whole “Surprise! Being queer is actually super normal here, we just haven’t talked about it yet.” is something Gregory Maguire’s Wicked Years series did with Oz and it’s kind of interesting. They could actually use this, far from glossing over the idea of homophobia, to make a sort of mockery of it. “Wow, you accept all this weird crap with reanimated dragon fairy witches and magic portal beans but two guys kissing is too much? Really?” that sort of subtext could be very powerful.

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[RumplesGirl]

@RG, I was thinking that Charming and Emma would be okay wit it and Snow would be the one with the problem.

The LGBT couple have to have some sort of drama. If not that, what would it be?

I really don’t think Snow will. Snow is an iconic Disney Princess. They can’t put that sort of hate in her mouth because statements that come from iconic Disney princess carry more weight. I really don’t know why you think Snow would (the power of Disney characters speaking to audiences aside). The Snow we’ve been presented with think LOVE the the singular thing we should strive for. For her to be homophobic could be totally OOC. It would be “twisty” but it wouldn’t be true to her character–this is a woman who still loves Regina after Regina made numerous attempts on her life.

I think what RG is saying is that the LGBT couple can have drama, but that it shouldn’t be drama that calls attention to the fact that they are an LGBT couple? Just “normal” drama that any other couple should also be able to go through regardless of whatever. Is that correct RG?

Exactly. Their drama shouldn’t be fighting for acceptance among the heterosexuals because it’s saying that the way they were born and whom they love is unacceptable to begin with. Their drama can be separation or magical or mythic, but it shouldn’t be proving to heterosexuals that their love is “right.” By needing to prove something right, you automatically classify it as “wrong” to begin with.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[RumplesGirl]

I think it’s really important to understand that glossing over the real issues faced by LGBT people and just having them “exactly the same as everyone else” is NOT representative of reality and can give people the false impression that there are no issues of privilege etc. that we need to tackle to achieve real equality/social justice. There is the idea, mostly held by straight people who consider themselves not atallhomophobic(looking at you Jim Sterling) that understated gay romances are the best way to do it, period. Because it’s not making a “big deal of it”, as if art should never be used to teach anything.

Oh I 100% percent agree. But this show isn’t based in reality, right? I mean..dragons. These people aren’t from our world, haven’t been fostered with our cultural understandings. Their world is the mythic and magical, an almost utopia that we strive for. Them having understanding and love for heterosexual, homosexuals, pansexuals, ect would feel more in line with how the OUAT universe works, as opposed to bogging them down in our present day conflict which stems from culture and religion and social agenda.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

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