Out in Storybrooke: Who should have a Queery Tale romance?

[Myril]

As far as the movie Elsa goes, I’ve never really seen anything to make me believe she was a lesbian. I just know ALOT of people believe it to be so, so thats why I wouldn’t be surprised if they made her such.

People might be surprised in real life who is lesbian or bisexual woman. 😉 Elsa is not set up already with her prince charming, she has no visible romantic interest so far so there is a chance she could be into women (yes we are that humble, we don’t want to take away anyone from anyone, fearing repercussions). Elsa was probably born a different person, having powers that made her an odd one out, were not understood, made her parents even to lock her in. Elsa breaks free and doing so the somewhat closed up figure (body language) turns into a confident, sexy young woman while singing a song of empowerment. When you listen to the lyrics as a queer person that is the song we all could sing, some have in their lives already, Elsa is like one of us. Of course can take it for any kind of empowering like a feminst one as well, but Elsa is a kind of archetype character queer people relate to, and especially queer women. We’re used to find relatable character more by subtext, in indirect ways and not that much as openly queer character.

I am very sure, and not just if it would be Elsa, that a few people and organisations will cry out, give at least advice not to watch OUaT or even call for a boycott. I doubt though that these people watch even OUaT anyway, nothing we have to be worried about concerning ratings.

While very sure in our world there are plenty of real issues for queer people, although varying a lot depending on other factors like gender, ethnicity, socio-economic status besides region of course, don’t think that this is something to tackle for OUaT. A lot of things are glossed over in this show, like most social issues for example. The show is about love and hope as they claim, the relationship one way or the other should be an important factor in defining the characters. I’ts not about denying, there are plenty and big issues, but I would find it nice to see for a change in the narrative no big issues in what gender a lover has. Being a rarity in fairy tale world it will be an issue anyway outside the narrative of the Once universe, outside the diegetic reality of the show, in the spectatorial reality, the reality of the audience’s perception and comprehension.

Concerning Snow being maybe pejorative at first:

Regina was without her heart when she kissed Henry and evoked true loves magic to get the memories for everybody back. Actually at least it seemed to do her good to have heart taken away, she finally opened up to a new person, a new love, overcoming her fears. So, how does that fit in with Snow closing her mind and becoming even a slightly different person because she has only half a heart now? Does that mean, taking out the heart of evil people betters them, while it destroyed the good guys? I mean, it could make sense that way, although it would make Cora’s story arc illogical inside the Once universe. But the whole having no heart thing has become as sad writing mess. I doubt it will make Snow a different person in the sense of becoming more intolerant for example. Her act was an act of deep love, it should grow her character and make her stronger again and not diminish the character even more.

Just because she was so focused on baby story Snow doesn’t now need to be a traditionalist. She might have some suburban housewife vibe at the moment, but making her because of that conservative in views on romance would be a cliche in itself.

I see it somewhat like RumplesGirl. Snow has proven to be open minded, she accepted Red the way she is, she befriended dwarfs, she is giving Regina chance after chance. Right, she tricked Regina and killed Cora, but at least for a while because of that Snow had a dark spot in her heart. Snow is far from perfect on the show, she was not even in season 1 while she was still a strong (aka more complex and interesting) character, and even more so if you look around in forums. so I don’t see a point in making her the one being dismissive of same gender romance at first. A lot of people see her as being a rather self-righteous person by now, it would be no surprising moment, just another nail in the coffin of the great character we had once upon a time ago. Unless TPTB plan to bring Snow as far down as Regina was, as a counterpoint to Regina, but all I see is some neglect and mediocre writing if it comes to Snow.

Would see more Rumple to be one reacting somewhat negative, because of him being such an outsider and as Rumplestiltskin such a flashy guy (and somewhat fashion-conscious, to trigger cliches here) he is less someone to be expected to have an issues with it. He had a major issue with true love in the first place for a while, he has been more of a laid back, traditional guy before he became the Dark One. And unfortunately some of those bullied sometimes become the worst bullies.

[obisgirl]

I doubt it will make Snow a different person in the sense of becoming more intolerant for example. Her act was an act of deep love, it should grow her character and make her stronger again and not diminish the character even more.

Just because she was so focused on baby story Snow doesn’t now need to be a traditionalist. She might have some suburban housewife vibe at the moment, but making her because of that conservative in views on romance would be a cliche in itself.

I see it somewhat like RumplesGirl. Snow has proven to be open minded, she accepted Red the way she is, she befriended dwarfs, she is giving Regina chance after chance. Right, she tricked Regina and killed Cora, but at least for a while because of that Snow had a dark spot in her heart. Snow is far from perfect on the show, she was not even in season 1 while she was still a strong (aka more complex and interesting) character, and even more so if you look around in forums. so I don’t see a point in making her the one being dismissive of same gender romance at first. A lot of people see her as being a rather self-righteous person by now, it would be no surprising moment, just another nail in the coffin of the great character we had once upon a time ago.

I agree.

[RumplesGirl]

Elsa was probably born a different person, having powers that made her an odd one out, were not understood, made her parents even to lock her in. Elsa breaks free and doing so the somewhat closed up figure (body language) turns into a confident, sexy young woman while singing a song of empowerment. When you listen to the lyrics as a queer person that is the song we all could sing, some have in their lives already, Elsa is like one of us. Of course can take it for any kind of empowering like a feminst one as well, but Elsa is a kind of archetype character queer people relate to, and especially queer women. We’re used to find relatable character more by subtext, in indirect ways and not that much as openly queer character.

I heard the argument that Elsa was a lesbian before I ever saw Frozen (took me forever to see it). So I went in hearing all the things people said, but I definitely agree that Elsa being a lesbian on ONCE would make a lot of sense given the subtext of Frozen. Her message of “conceal, don’t feel, put on show” can–yes–extend to multiple social issues, but after talking with you guys for so many pages now, I am going to be really disappointed if they ignore Elsa’s sexuality.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[Felie]

Perhaps it would make more sense for FTL to have its own unique issues surrounding LGBT relationships. For example, they accept LGBT people and relationships, but things could get a little tricky if two princesses get together, marry, and rule a kingdom together, because then they’d have suitors from all over the world trying to win the right to be their baby-daddy. What would the procedure be for this? Would the child be considered a bastard? Would they need a different kind of ‘marriage’ ceremony to make it so that the child wasn’t considered a bastard by the people?

Also, there’s an opportunity for a bit of comedy here, like the girls getting jealous of the stunning new girl when she’s around their men, only to be flirty with her once they find out she’s gay (happens to me… only without the stunning part :/)

"so there’s this new show….."
"there’s lesbians in it"

[TheWatcher]

Felie, thats a really interesting idea 😮

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[obisgirl]

I agree, that would be a very interesting scenario for the show Felie.  If it doesn’t happen, there needs to be a fanfiction about it.

[PriceofMagic]

I agree that would be an interesting scenario

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[RumplesGirl]

For example, they accept LGBT people and relationships, but things could get a little tricky if two princesses get together, marry, and rule a kingdom together, because then they’d have suitors from all over the world trying to win the right to be their baby-daddy

That’s a much stronger issue and more important issue than an acceptance storyline

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[Felie]

I told TheWatcher this tale and she told me to post it here, so I did! 😀

I had a weird ouat dream the other night, where Elsa went on a rampage after finding out that her love, Merida, used to be in Storybrooke, and her torment was being trapped in a loveless marriage with an abusive husband, until she took her own life. I woke up crying as I switched from being a spectator of my dream to playing the part of Elsa. It was so sad, she was devastated and heartbroken. She blamed Regina more than the abusive husband because his torment, as a gay man, was to be trapped in a heterosexual marriage too (not that that excuses him in my mind, but Elsa seemed ok with letting him get away with it). I think Blue was trying to tell Elsa something but I woke up too soon. So lying awake I thought that perhaps Merida was alive, and was living in the convent after faking her death to try and escape her husband.

I would love it if this were to happen in ouat, it simply oozes angst! It definitely made me cry :'(

Felie, thats a really interesting idea

I agree, that would be a very interesting scenario for the show Felie. If it doesn’t happen, there needs to be a fanfiction about it.

I agree that would be an interesting scenario

That’s a much stronger issue and more important issue than an acceptance storyline

If you think about it it’s a win-win for the neighbouring kingdom(s) who gets to breed with the queen(s);

Say kingdom A had two queens and queen 1 had a child with a prince from kingdom B, and queen 2 had a child with a prince from kingdom C. Then the princes B and C married princesses from kingdoms D and E. That’s five kingdoms who are allied by blood now, and in the end the offspring of one of the princes’ will rule AL LEAST two kingdoms (if all goes well)! Happy days all round, especially for kingdoms who’s royal family only have one male heir and no daughters, since he can rule his kingdom with his family AND have his offspring guaranteed to rule another one (again, if all goes well). It’s kind of like when princesses are sent to marry the sons of neighbouring kings to create alliances (How much more complicated would it be if we added this little gem of alliance-making to the mix? XD), It could be used as a way to create blood-ties with other kingdoms. And suddenly homosexuality seems a lot more appealing to royal families in FTL…

"so there’s this new show….."
"there’s lesbians in it"

[PriceofMagic]

Just had a thought. FTL seemed quite patriarchal. Belle’s line “There’s not many opportunities for women in this land” seems to suggest that. 2 Queens may be looked down upon, not because of their sexuality, but because of their gender because they don’t have the hand of a king to “steer them right”.

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Keeper of Felix

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