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[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
This made me happy.
It would make me even happier if it were to become canon 🙂
Alas, something tells me they’ll give her a man-hero. Someone who’ll ‘save’ her and make her ‘good’ again. I think I may stop watching the show if that happens.
There’s no way the writers haven’t seen/heard of Elsa’s HUGE queer following, right? Even they must know that they’re walking on thin ice (pun so intended) when it comes to ouat’s queer fans and the depiction of Elsa as a character on the show. I think I’d rather them make her asexual than straight, and I think that would be a safer path for the show in general if they refuse to make her a lesbian.
"so there’s this new show….."
"there’s lesbians in it"Alas, something tells me they’ll give her a man-hero. Someone who’ll ‘save’ her and make her ‘good’ again. I think I may stop watching the show if that happens.
That needs to not happen. To Elsa or any other woman on the show. With Elsa in particular, though, since the Frozen story is really the story of two sisters, I can see them making Elsa unattached and not give her any kind of love interest for the sake of the sisterly bond. Though, my biggest fear right now for this arc is that Elsa will be a former flame and former student of Rumple. Just like Cora and Zelena.
There’s no way the writers haven’t seen/heard of Elsa’s HUGE queer following, right? Even they must know that they’re walking on thin ice (pun so intended) when it comes to ouat’s queer fans and the depiction of Elsa as a character on the show. I think I’d rather them make her asexual than straight, and I think that would be a safer path for the show in general if they refuse to make her a lesbian.
Well their bosses are Disney. And Disney is *certainly* aware of it. How they feel about it might be a different story.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"There’s no way the writers haven’t seen/heard of Elsa’s HUGE queer following, right? Even they must know that they’re walking on thin ice (pun so intended) when it comes to ouat’s queer fans and the depiction of Elsa as a character on the show. I think I’d rather them make her asexual than straight, and I think that would be a safer path for the show in general if they refuse to make her a lesbian.
Heard of quite sure, but they still can ignore it. And if they’d made her asexual it could be even interesting (even less represented than transgender and transsexual people, and widely misunderstood) that doesn’t mean that she is or has to be at the same time a-romantical. It is debated, if asexuality can be seen as a sexual orientation, and it questions the common view, that romantic love pretty much doesn’t exist without sexual attraction/desire. If there is no sexual desire than people equal it with platonic love (another somewhat misunderstood concept), friendship relation, good buddies (while bromance can have a slight level of some sort of sexual tension eventually), but that is not what some asexual people would agree with. They know the desire for a special someone, but it’s not about sexual attraction. Many asexual people identify as hetero, bi, gay or lesbian.
I guess though you meant it in the sense of not giving Elsa any kind of even the slightest romantic interest, attraction at all, just spare that part of a character out. Quite like with Archie and the Blue Fairy, although those are minor characters (despite being a plot device at times, the Blue Fairy is no major character on the show, we know more about Archie even), while Elsa will be in one or the other way a major character. They couldn’t help it and pepper even Zelena with some sexual innuendo, and it was already in the writing, not a matter of how Rebecca Mader played her. Right, they didn’t do it that obviously with Pan, although there was a lot of subtext reading possible with that guy, and of the sometimes rather dubious kind.
Well their bosses are Disney. And Disney is *certainly* aware of it. How they feel about it might be a different story.
Hard to speculate about that. While Disney as a branch seems sometimes stuck with 1950s world views though in a more modern outfit (which has a lot to do with the figure of Walt Disney), it is a huge company and its assets are following diverse strategies and are sometimes even rather progressive, like ABC Studios and ABC Television Network. Grey’s Anatomy is in some ways groundbreaking in queer representation, with treating their lesbian couple as equal to the het couples. In a certain way the show is as well conservative though, applying the same rules for het couples now simply to same gender couple, as conservative as same-gender-marriage is, but it is progress (and yes, some or even most queer people are rather conservative in their views on relationships if it comes to matters like true love and infidelity). Disney Animation could have set up some strict rules concerning character development as well as giving A&E creative freedom on such levels, they could feel uncomfortable about taking Elsa that road or be relaxed and think, could be an interesting test even, if people accept it – as long as it is on the show they still could insist it was interpretation and go on theater stage and in probable later sequels of the movie a different way.
Either way IMO it’s up to A&E, either because they can see it and take the character there or not, or because they’re eager to do Frozen even if it means to keep it more traditional if that is what Walt Disney Animation Studios only let’s them do.
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Hard to speculate about that. While Disney as a branch seems sometimes stuck with 1950s world views though in a more modern outfit (which has a lot to do with the figure of Walt Disney), it is a huge company and its assets are following diverse strategies and are sometimes even rather progressive, like ABC Studios and ABC Television Netwo
Yeah that’s why I didn’t elaborate further, because I honestly don’t know how Disney would feel. On the one hand, ABC is a bit more progressive with representations of LGBT characters–take your pick of any of Shonda Rhimes’s shows. But this isn’t your typical ABC owned show. Elsa is very precious to Disney right now and for the progress that Disney has made, they still tend to stick with stories/characters that are of a type. Mulan was the fist PoC main character, Tiana was the first African-American, Merida was much younger and again unattached. But has Disney ever alluded to any homosexuality in one of its films…(asking honestly here cause i can’t think of an example)
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"In Aladdin, one of the male flamingos took a fancy to Iago disguised as a flamingo and impersonating Jasmine’s voice.
Also Frozen has a gay couple!
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Keeper of FelixIn Aladdin, one of the male flamingos took a fancy to Iago disguised as a flamingo and impersonating Jasmine’s voice.
Yeeeeeeeees but I’m not going to count that as Iago is a parrot who is impersonating a woman for trickery. And Iago beats the male flamingo. so the male flamingo is attracted what he thinks is a lady and Iago, realizing this, rejects the flamingo. It’s not a case for homosexuality or transgender relationships.
(the things I write…)
Also Frozen has a gay couple!
Yes, I’ve heard a lot about this. While I do think it’s Disney stepping forward there are arguments against this being a homosexual couple.
For starters Oaken never says that is his husband and children. He calls them his family. Family can mean just about anything–brother, cousin, husband, ect. Disney leaves it open and vague.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"You probably can’t think of an example because there is none. Some supporting characters have been read over time as queer, but that was subtext, never openly done.
Recently an article made arguments for Disney movies nevertheless helping queer young people, that queer reading already does a lot, and that the movies are open to that. Interesting view, though I don’t share it. Here some arguments why the view of queer reading does the trick is short sighted at best. And a some months older article questioning, what image Disney movies creates by pretty much ignoring queer love.
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And I also think that very slowly, Disney movies are getting more progressive. But they’re still not anywhere near where they should be. It’s far past time for a lesbian princess or a gay prince. And I know that bisexual, trans*, asexual, and non-binary folks have much longer to wait for equal representation in Disney movies, when even adult media can’t seem to manage it. But I refuse to accept anything less. Queer kids today deserve so much more, and we can’t settle for hidden sub-text.
THAT.
That is, IMO, a perfect summation of what a lot of us have been saying in this thread now. ONCE could be groundbreaking if the decided to put–in text!–that Elsa is a lesbian. Don’t make is subtext, don’t make is “maybe or maybe not” like they did with Mulan.
Have her declare it!
Great articles. Thanks for the linkage!
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Also Frozen has a gay couple
Well that’s slightly debateable. If you look at the positions of the towel, you can see that this a man, woman, two sons, and a daughter. So I would assume that the children belong to the man and woman, either of which may be related to Oaken… But ya know… Idk >_>
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