Out in Storybrooke: Who should have a Queery Tale romance?

[PriceofMagic]

Could Gothel from Tangled be a lesbian or at the very least anti-man?

[Felie]

Okay, now that I’ve seen Frozen finally – I feel like I can now really contribute to the discussion here. I understand how the LGBT theme is interpreted here but at the heart of the story it’s about sisters and their unconditional love for each other.

So I can see where Adam and Eddie can go with introducing Elsa to the Once universe. I think the heart of her story will still be her relationship with her sister and like the movie, she may not have a love interest on the show.

But I don’t think that’s an “open door” to make the character of Elsa a lesbian. She didn’t have a love interest in the movie but also remember how her parents locked her away so she never really had a chance for any kind of romantic relationship with either sex.

She grew up in fear of hurting people around her because of her parents decision to lock her away.

I am however very interested to see how Elsa got her ice powers and how Adam and Eddie will deal with that. Frozen I feel didn’t really deal with aspect of her character too much.

I said this in another thread but thought it might be relevant here too;

I hope Anna is ok though. I really like her character as to me she symbolises the unconditional love that people should show their lgbtq family members after they come out (Anna never once – ever – questioned or judged Elsa after finding out about her powers. Something most lgbtq people can only dream of).

Showing that Anna hasn’t got a judgemental bone in her body when it comes to Elsa being a lesbian would work way better than showing she accepts her sister’s powers without hesitation, as powers have already been dealt with in ouat, and they’re not considered to be the makings of a ‘bad guy’ any more, since Emma (the saviour) has them.

However, homosexuality has not seriously been covered in ouat yet, giving the writers the perfect platform to show the audience just how unconditionally Anna loves Elsa. Though admittedly the downside of this would be that the EF would have to hold homophobic views/traditions in order to provide a contrast between Anna’s acceptance and everybody else’s disapproval.

In other words; because the possession of magical powers (in humans) has been shifted from ‘sign of the bad-guy’ to the ‘no big deal’ side Elsa’s struggle for acceptance as a magic-wielding royal will be too old-hat to be an interesting or engaging storyline for the new big-bad in season 4, because everyone already accepts that good guys can have magic too. On the other hand, Elsa can still have an acceptance storyline with her sexuality as the focus. This, as I’ve said above, would be the perfect way to showcase just how loving and accepting Anna is.

"so there’s this new show….."
"there’s lesbians in it"

[RumplesGirl]

However, homosexuality has not seriously been covered in ouat yet, giving the writers the perfect platform to show the audience just how unconditionally Anna loves Elsa. Though admittedly the downside of this would be that the EF would have to hold homophobic views/traditions in order to provide a contrast between Anna’s acceptance and everybody else’s disapproval.

I don’t think the entire EF would have to have homophobic views. Just Arendelle. That way Anna is going against the traditional views of just her people, but the SB/EF folk are more welcoming. It all leads up to “this is where we truly belong” sort of storyline.

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[RumplesGirl]

Could Gothel from Tangled be a lesbian or at the very least anti-man?

Can you give us a bit more? Why do you think she’s a lesbian? Because she lives alone and has no children of her own?

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[PriceofMagic]

Mainly because of the lyrics of the Mother knows Best reprise

Rapunzel knows best
Rapunzel’s so mature now
Such a clever grown-up miss
Rapunzel knows best
Fine, if you’re so sure now
Go ahead, then give him this

This is why he’s here!
Don’t let him deceive you!
Give it to him, watch, you’ll see!

Trust me, my dear
That’s how fast he’ll leave you
I won’t say I told you so …

The lyrics not only sound like a mother warning her daughter about giving up her virginity so easily, but perhaps also a woman who has gone through a very similar experience and is warning a younger woman not to make the same mistakes she did.

Also Gothel makes no reference to Rapunzel having had a father and Rapunzel makes no reference to ever having a father. Gothel would’ve lied about it if she’d mentioned it saying he either left or died, but Flynn seems to be the first man ever that Rapunzel met.

The only time that Gothel mentions men to Rapunzel, it’s as “thugs and ruffians”

Gothel’s view of men seems to be as tools she can use so she might not be a lesbian but she’s not very man friendly.

Also she’s not got a love interest which seems to be one of the reasons for making Elsa a lesbian so why not make Gothel one too?

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[obisgirl]

I think I understand what you’re saying Price but again all Mother Gothel from Disney’s Tangled cared about was keeping the power of Rapunzels hair to herself. That’s why she kidnapped her in the first place.

[Felie]

I don’t think the entire EF would have to have homophobic views. Just Arendelle. That way Anna is going against the traditional views of just her people, but the SB/EF folk are more welcoming. It all leads up to “this is where we truly belong” sort of storyline.

Yeah I suppose it could be just a few select sections of their world. On the other hand, the sense of acceptance in her storyline won’t be as potent if the realms of the characters we know aren’t anti-gay, because who would really care about the views/traditions of some random kingdom 4 seasons into the show (which, like Oz, we will probably barely get to know)?

Another way to do it is to have Arendelle be the only kingdom in their world not to be homophobic, and have the queer queen create conflict between her land and others, as opposed to having an internal conflict in her own kingdom over it. Perhaps the heat on Elsa (intended :D) will come from a pressure to conform to international standards rather than the views of her own people, and Anna could be the only one in her court telling her to be true to herself and not buckle to the pressure.

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[RumplesGirl]

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[PriceofMagic]

RumplesGirl wrote:

I don’t think the entire EF would have to have homophobic views. Just Arendelle. That way Anna is going against the traditional views of just her people, but the SB/EF folk are more welcoming. It all leads up to “this is where we truly belong” sort of storyline.

Yeah I suppose it could be just a few select sections of their world. On the other hand, the sense of acceptance in her storyline won’t be as potent if the realms of the characters we know aren’t anti-gay, because who would really care about the views/traditions of some random kingdom 4 seasons into the show (which, like Oz, we will probably barely get to know)?

I agree Felie. The audience isn’t going to care about the views of a random kingdom especially when it doesn’t really have a bearing on the show. On the other hand, I don’t think they could make an entire kingdom homophobic that we know such as the EF otherwise it would mean that Storybrooke is a homophobic town. However, if they were to make the ruler of said kingdom homophobic, then it means that the whole kingdom doesn’t agree with the homophobic view but respect their queen not to challenge it, and that only the view of one person needs to be changed to make a difference.

I think it would be interesting if Snow held the homophobic view (maybe this could at least lead back to the dark spot storyline that went nowhere) especially with the birth of Neal because she wouldn’t want her baby to be around “that sort of thing”. Also young Eva had that line about a baby that was “pure”. Snow could’ve been raised to believe that homosexuality was “impure”.

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Keeper of Felix

[RumplesGirl]

Gothel’s view of men seems to be as tools she can use so she might not be a lesbian but she’s not very man friendly. Also she’s not got a love interest which seems to be one of the reasons for making Elsa a lesbian so why not make Gothel one too?

I see what you’re saying, but I don’t think she’s friendly to anyone–male or female (or animal or vegetable or mineral).

 

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