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So having a channel that would promote, celebrate, and encouraging young LGBT kids who are tired of not seeing themselves represented, to me, isn’t like its the end of the world or discrimination.
But it also reinforces the idea that they are different. All you’re doing is letting the wedge between races, sexualities, and cultures stay. If we want to change the attitudes of those who think blacks, Asians, LGBT, ect are inferior, then you do not cater to their whims. Because what comes next? LGBT only schools? LGBT only restaurants? Nobody should have to flee to another place to feel welcome.
What we need to do is change the culture. Change the TV landscape so that minorities like PoC and LGBT are more represented, not relegate them to their own ghetto (as @Myril calls it above and something I agree with)
Some people don’t want to see gay relationships and gay issues be the focal point in every movie or show. There’s nothing wrong with that. We all have prefrences in what we like to watch.
Sure. But that doesn’t mean that your preferences should dictate how TV is viewed or consumed.
[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I agree that there shouldn’t be segregated channels. We live in multicultural societies so all aspects of that should be represented. However, it is important to maintain a balance so that one particular group isn’t seen as taking over.
Fresh Prince of Bel Air was a great show. Had it been on a specific black channel, I probably wouldn’t have watched it because I wasn’t the channel’s targeted audience. However, because it was on mainstream, I got to see it and enjoy it.
Having mixed shows on a channel instead of segregating shows to specific channels because of their content, enables a wider range of audience to see that show and enjoy it that may not have watched otherwise.
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Keeper of FelixI agree. However would this extend to previously established true love couples (of which there are a surprisingly high number considering true love is meant to be so rare)? For example, if Snow suddenly decided to hook up with Red, despite the last 3 seasons being about her and Charming?
Well on the whole, I frown on adultery. But if Snow begins to question her sexuality then we shouldn’t box her in and say “you’ve already found true love” because did she fall for Charming, the person, or did she fall for his GENDER. There is a difference here.
I’m not talking about Snow committing adultery.
What I’m saying is that after 3 seasons of Snow happily married to Charming, true love and “I will find you”, how would you feel in season 4 if Snow suddenly decided to leave Charming and hook up with Red instead?
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixWhat I’m saying is that after 3 seasons of Snow happily married to Charming, true love and “I will find you”, how would you feel in season 4 if Snow suddenly decided to leave Charming and hook up with Red instead?
I think people who are questioning their sexuality should be allowed to do so, no matter what has happened in the past. And I doubt Snow suddenly up and leaves, chances are it would be a journey for her trying to negotiate between her past and what she feels at present. But, on the whole: should Snow feel like her desires and wants are changing, so long as she and Charming have severed their relationship beforehand, then people should be allowed to explore their sexuality, freely.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"What characters would you like to see in an LGBT relationship on the show?
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Keeper of FelixWhat characters would you like to see in an LGBT relationship on the show?
Elsa. I think it would be a bold and daring statement and one that ONCE honestly has no reason not to make. There is nothing stopping them, canon wise.
Red. I see Red as being very flexible in her sexuality.
I would love for Mulan to come back and have an honest relationship with someone.
I think Henry being gay would be a fantastic story to watch.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I would love to see Archie 😛 or Tinkerbelle. But more than a thing, I’d love to catch up on Mulan
"I could have the giant duck as my steed!" --Daniel Radcliffe
Keeper Of Tamara's Taser , Jafar's Staff, Kitsis’s Glasses , Ariel’s Tail, Dopey's Hat , Peter Pan’s Shadow, Outfit, & Pied Cloak,Red Queen's Castle, White Rabbit's Power To World Hop, Zelena's BroomStick, & ALL MAGICElsa. I think it would be a bold and daring statement and one that ONCE honestly has no reason not to make. There is nothing stopping them, canon wise.
This. I meant to say this yesterday but there is a good chance they may go this route with Elsa. We just saw sister/sister arc last half a season and had Elsa been planned to be introduced during that season, I would have said we had no hope as they would have focused on Elsa and Anna’s sisterly relationship in contrast to Regina and Zelena’a. But if they are planning to do a sister thing again, it might seem kind of repetitive? So while I do think Elsa and Anna will have plenty of focus, IF they do a relationship it could be a queer one with Elsa which would be nice
"I could have the giant duck as my steed!" --Daniel Radcliffe
Keeper Of Tamara's Taser , Jafar's Staff, Kitsis’s Glasses , Ariel’s Tail, Dopey's Hat , Peter Pan’s Shadow, Outfit, & Pied Cloak,Red Queen's Castle, White Rabbit's Power To World Hop, Zelena's BroomStick, & ALL MAGICI think Henry would be a good candidate for being gay and it would actually give him some story.
Both Red and Mulan’s other shows were cancelled weren’t they? so they could kill two birds with one stone. Bring both Mulan and Red back onto the show in a recurring capacity (and with Whale doing IZombie alongside Tinkerbell, Frankenwolf isn’t happening anytime soon) and have the two develop a relationship together. What would it be called, WarriorWolf? WolfWarrior? RedWarrior?
They could make Elsa a lesbian, however I like the idea in Frozen that love can come in many forms and it doesn’t necessarily mean romantic love.
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Keeper of FelixCrystal, I’m sorry you’re hurt I have already dealt with the issue, as is my duty on this site. I understand being upset, but since the issue was resolved, can we please get back to the topic at hand?
Geez Luiz…we had this argument what last week, or the week before?? I thought we were passed this. @RumplesGirl, if you can, delete any posts I made on this thread if it was that offensive. I apologized, what the hell else am I supposed to do? And FYI @CrystalPrincess…@Felie helped me understand some of your point of view on these sensitive matters. So know that on some lines now, I can see your perspective on a few things. And I think the best way to handle my so called “hurtful” posts is to delete them, keep calm, and let it go.
Look this is exactly the problem here. I know people want to move on, but personally I can’t.
When you have to put “Hurtful” in quotation marks like that and talk down to and condescend queer people who you’re hurting, it’s really oppressive. It’s wrong, it’s discouraging to LGBT members of the forum and the other mods need to take note of that. You are not being remotely respectful here. It’s not “hurtful” it’s Hurtful. You are not affected by it, you don’t get to decide the effect it has on others.
Again:
http://whattamisaid.blogspot.com/2009/11/when-allies-fail-part-one.html
And what do we do when this happens–when allies fail? How can we address mistakes, while preserving relationships and maintaining the power that comes through alliances with people outside of our group? How do I think an ally should respond when their bias or privilege is called out? How do I think marginalized groups should handle the mistakes allies make?
This is the first of two posts on maintaining alliances in the face of failure. Today, I will tackle the responsibilities of anti-racist and feminist allies. What should an ally do when he or she has made an unwitting show of prejudice or privilege?
Listen. Good relationship habits 101–listen to the person(s) that you have harmed. It may be helpful to repeat what you understand the grievance to be in order to demonstrate that you are making an effort to understand. Before you speak, think about what is being said. Try to put aside your ego (hard as that is) and examine the “offense.” Can you see your privilege peeking through? Have you uncovered a hidden bias? Even if your actions were unintentional, can you see how they could be misconstrued?
Don’t defend. Everyone wants to believe they have their prejudices in check. And when you are generally diligent about examining your biases and privilege, and you have good intentions, hearing that you have failed can feel like a slap. It is easy to become defensive, rattling explanations and defenses rather than truly listening to the person who is offended. And you may feel angry: “After all the ways I’ve proven myself, how could anyone think I am (racist, sexist, etc.).” Resist the urge to defend yourself at first. This doesn’t mean you need be endlessly berated or that the person who you have offended is right. It simply means that you can’t listen and hear where another person is coming from if you are talking.
Allow us our anger. It isn’t easy being a member of a marginalized group. For instance, I have written before about the dull aches of racism. I have also written about how members of marginalized groups are expected to hold their tongues in the face of mistreatment–to be the “bigger persons.” What may seem like a very small deal to you, to us may be yet another wearying and soul-destroying slight. Any human being has a right to be angry about injustice. Again, this does not mean that we have the right to dehumanize or insult you. It is not an ally’s job to be endlessly flogged and called to account for the sins of all society. But marginalized people do have a right to be pissed off and to show it.
Apologize. If you understand and agree that you have committed an offense, apologize. No “I’m sorry, but…” No need to explain the whys and wherefores or attempt to minimize. Just say, “I’m sorry. I was wrong and I should have known better.” Period. Own your mistake. Now, I am not suggesting that you apologize for something you didn’t do or don’t think you’ve done. If, after truly listening, you believe you have been misunderstood…well, that situation is more difficult. That I am a black woman does not automatically mean that I am always right in identifying a white person’s race bias or a man’s gender bias. There is a way to acknowledge what another person is feeling, even if you ultimately don’t apologize. But know that if you’re a guy on a womanist Web site, for example, and multiple women tell you that you are being a sexist asshole, you probably need to check yourself.
(If Possible) Correct. If what you have done can be undone, do it immediately.
Educate yourself. The best way to come to understand how, say, “racism” works, to identify your own biases and to learn the language of the movement, is to get smart about racial prejudice and privilege, as well as other cultures. Don’t rely on people of color to do your work for you. As allies, we will naturally share some information with you, teach a little. But teaching is not our responsibility. Read the books by important thinkers on race. Note new study results. Pay attention to pop culture, media and art beyond the mainstream. Seek a diverse group of friends. Lurk on popular anti-racist blogs. Get involved offline. And again, listen…listen…listen. This is the best way to avoid missteps and to recover when you fail. Your education is your responsibility.
Reaffirm your commitment. Proof that you are a true ally to a cause–whatever the cause is–is that you slog through and keep going, even through rough patches and arguments. Your continued presence post-mistake, whether on a feminist blog or in a local grassroots anti-racist organization, is a demonstration of your commitment.
I don't cause commotions, I am one.
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