Out in Storybrooke: Who should have a Queery Tale romance?

[Crystal Princess]

Basically telling a marginalised person to “Let it go” especially when you’re the one who caused them upset is really messed up. Policing the upset of minorities is not your business.

ANd importantly – when you’re talking about queer issues – listen to queer people!

I can’t stress this enough. I just got taken out for drinks by two sex workers and it was amazing how humnaising it was listening to them talking about work etc. and how very human they were. All too often they are spoken over, portrayed as victims, unsafe around kids, whatevers, when they’re in many ways just like everyone else, and the ways in which they aren’t are okay too.

It’s really really harmful and dehumanising when straight/cis people talk over our issues and the things that affect us. Straight/cis people have a louder voice than us and you have to be responsible than that.

Erasing our problems is not being responsible, it’s really awful and people need to take responsibility for it. They’re not “Issues”, they’re Issues, full stop, and it’s not up for you to decide that when you’re not affected by or educated on the issue at hand.

[Gaultheria]

Elsa would be a bad choice as an openly-gay character on OUAT. Frozen shows the general experiences of repression and depression, and making Elsa’s story one about being gay would do a disservice to the broader population that has already found, in Frozen, a sympathetic portrayal of a kindred spirit who has a common and devastating mental condition. All kinds of people have to endure severe misery, and keeping the Frozen metaphor general doesn’t take anything away from homosexuals who relate to Elsa’s experience. An attitude of “we’re all in the same boat” helps increase understanding and sympathy across the board.

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[TheWatcher]

Frozen shows the general experiences of repression and depression, and making Elsa’s story one about being gay would do a disservice to the broader population that has already found, in Frozen, a sympathetic portrayal of a kindred spirit who has a common and devastating mental condition. All kinds of people have to endure severe misery, and keeping the Frozen metaphor general doesn’t take anything away from homosexuals who relate to Elsa’s experience. An attitude of “we’re all in the same boat” helps increase understanding and sympathy across the board.

This. All of this. Keeping it general (as far as the Disney movie goes) can include everyone whether they be gay, straight, whatever, as many people can identify with what Elsa has been through, not just gays and lesbians. Now if OUAT wants to go the route, I’m all for it. But Disney keeping it general is good and then Disney can make a princess that actually is a lesbian or a prince that is gay and not one that is just hinted to be in subtext. Or whatever. I think there was an article here about why having Elsa as like a LGBT icon in Disney is bad but I’m too lazy to look for it

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[RumplesGirl]

Elsa would be a bad choice as an openly-gay character on OUAT. Frozen shows the general experiences of repression and depression, and making Elsa’s story one about being gay would do a disservice to the broader population that has already found, in Frozen, a sympathetic portrayal of a kindred spirit who has a common and devastating mental condition. All kinds of people have to endure severe misery, and keeping the Frozen metaphor general doesn’t take anything away from homosexuals who relate to Elsa’s experience. An attitude of “we’re all in the same boat” helps increase understanding and sympathy across the board.

May I ask who you think would be better? And also, it’s worth noting that OUAT aren’t doing Frozen, they’re doing post-Frozen. And while you might be right that keeping Elsa a blank slate does not erase the icon that she has become to the LGBT community, acknowledging that many in that community now consider her and her story iconic to their lives would go a long way in fostering understanding as well.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[WickedRegal]

Basically telling a marginalised person to “Let it go” especially when you’re the one who caused them upset is really messed up. Policing the upset of minorities is not your business. ANd importantly – when you’re talking about queer issues – listen to queer people! I can’t stress this enough. I just got taken out for drinks by two sex workers and it was amazing how humnaising it was listening to them talking about work etc. and how very human they were. All too often they are spoken over, portrayed as victims, unsafe around kids, whatevers, when they’re in many ways just like everyone else, and the ways in which they aren’t are okay too. It’s really really harmful and dehumanising when straight/cis people talk over our issues and the things that affect us. Straight/cis people have a louder voice than us and you have to be responsible than that. Erasing our problems is not being responsible, it’s really awful and people need to take responsibility for it. They’re not “Issues”, they’re Issues, full stop, and it’s not up for you to decide that when you’re not affected by or educated on the issue at hand.

You know what…I’m so done with this conversation, it doesn’t make any sense. You want to start an argument about something from two weeks ago, that I initially apologized for. And the reason they were in quotations is because…what was hurtful about what I said? You know what…don’t even bother answering because we don’t see eye to eye on this topic.

Am I gonna take responsibility for something that came across to you, as I may have not meant to come across in that way, no, I won’t. Am I gonna apologize for a third time just to suit your hurt feelings, when I already apologized to the thread as a whole…no. The only person who I will apologize to for a third time is @Felie, who took the time to explain your point of view without being rude about it. Don’t get me wrong @Crystal Princess, you are a great spokesperson for this campaign, and I wish you the best of luck. I just personally don’t have the patience nor the time to argue something that should have never started as an argument with a simple question I asked, especially when it was TWO weeks ago.

Now @RumplesGirl may count this as being rude, but this is the nicest way I can say these things without having to explode. Now if you all want, everyone can continue the @WickedRegal is being mean, disrespectful, rude, insensitive, prejudice, which is really all untrue as I have not been mean, disrespectful, rude, or insensitive in many years. I let that “Bully” side of me go when I graduated college, and has only let “Bully Liza” out of me when it becomes absolutely necessary. And as I’ve told you, I was a Bully to the Bullies, which means I defended Every outcast. Like God…if you all think I’m being rude, mean, and insensitive now, you all would have hated the (beep) I was back in the day!

But enough about that…I’m making the call to END a debate that I unintentionally started, so @Crystal Princess, this thread of yours can resume whatever was happening before I asked my question. CUT…PRINT….AND MOVING ON!!!!!

Now that that’s off my chest…continue this storm if you want, it won’t bother me anyway.

 

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[RumplesGirl]

I don’t know if I, in good conscience, can let this thread continue trying to handle it the best way I can.

For now–and NOW ONLY–I am shutting it down and getting out Brave Leader. Clearly, I am going to useless in this endeavor to keep the peace since this isn’t a forum issue so much as a difference of culture and understanding.

 

When Daniel has addressed it, and if he wants, he will reopen. Until then I ask for understanding and patience.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[Daniel J. Lewis]

Hi, everyone.

This thread will remain closed, but unremoved. There has been some legitimate conversation in here (albeit controversial, but that’s welcome). It seems both sides have made their points and further discussion is only escalating into fights, which we can’t have here.

So for the sake of everyone involved, their valuable thoughts, and the time they invested in exploring this idea, we’re leaving this thread online. But it is now closed to further discussion.

Thank you for participating and I’m trying trying to keep things civil. Some of you didn’t hold it back anymore, but it’s time to let it go, turn away, because we closed the door. 🙂

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