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Keeping a Disney pairing and just gender bendering one character is fine with me. I just feel all the Disney couples should be together and stay together. I’m sure Mulan will find her Shang whether or not Shang is male or female. I wouldn’t want Belle to be with anyone other than her “beast” and her beast just so happened to be Rumplestiltskin. Rapunzel on the other hand isn’t based on the Disney Rapuznel. She could be with anyone, but if she were the Disney Rapunzel then I would say she should be with Flynn.
They can take artistic license when it comes down to their intrepreations of the characters. But still they shouldn’t completely abandon where they came from. Some of us want to see our favorite characters and their stories come to life on OUAT. If they just stop caring about the Disney aspect all together, id lose a bit of interest. Bring in a same sex couple all they want, but at the expense of a Disney couple? I would not prefer that. There are plenty of characters and fairytales who have no one, they are open candidates. Or again, they could just gender swap a Disney couple.
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Except they don’t come from Disney. Disney adapted stories and made them popular to the point where we think of them as the original.
In the version of Snow White I have read (pretty sure Grimm brothers…someone correct me if not), Snow isn’t awakened by TLK but by a servant hitting her and the apple being dislodged from her throat. But Disney made it TLK and now we associate TLK with that pairing.
Ariel died in the original! And since this is a same-sex paring thread, one of HCA’s reasons behind writing it was his own homosexual desires. Crystal knows more about it than I do. But all of that gets ignored by Disney and now people claim that ONCE should ignore it because “Disney canon” but Disney’s is a skewed interpretation of “original” sources.
And if they stick with Disney and Disney only then we’ll never get a same-sex pair. I mean, look how long it took them to have an African-American main character (Tiana).
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I know these things. But when it comes down to Ariel, SHE is the Disney version of it, not the original. In the Disney, she doesn’t die, she gets the guy, she lives happily ever after. I mean, I’m a pretty dark person, if they wanted to go with the death and unhappy ending, id have enjoyed it slightly 😛 but I digress. OUAT has mostly been playing in the Disney side of the field., if they want to make MAJOR changes, then they shouldn’t get peoples hopes up for the Disney version and use the original or generic version. We could have same sex Disney couplings. Why can’t Elsa or Merida have a homosexual relationship? It would contridict nothing Disney that we’ve seen in their film and a lot of people would want to see it because both Elsa and Merida are thought to be lesbians for whatever reasons (I think just because they don’t get males in there films). I can see Aladdin being gay, and so long as his TL js a male version of the sultans daughter, then id be fine. Thats the heart if my argument. Keep our Disney couples together… And if for the sake of showing a great sane sex relationship, that means turning a female character into a male or a male character into a female, that’s be fine. That, or just give a same sex relationship to character who had no pairing at all in their film. Like Archie. Or Sebastian (who I might add had a very subtle sexual moment in the musical with some kind of…fish? “You gotta put ur back into it *thrusting movement* xD”)
"I could have the giant duck as my steed!" --Daniel Radcliffe
Keeper Of Tamara's Taser , Jafar's Staff, Kitsis’s Glasses , Ariel’s Tail, Dopey's Hat , Peter Pan’s Shadow, Outfit, & Pied Cloak,Red Queen's Castle, White Rabbit's Power To World Hop, Zelena's BroomStick, & ALL MAGICAgree to disagree 😉
But I like the idea of the gender swapping. They said they want to do Aladdin and Jasmine, so I’m going to assume for the moment that they won’t be switching anyone there.
Elsa is a good choice given that her whole life was “conceal it, don’t feel it. Don’t let it show”
But, this is a question I have and I honestly don’t have answer to: would Disney let them? We know they stepped in before early on (killing Charming) and right now Elsa is their #1 star. So I have to wonder how much license A and E are allowed to have with her.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I’m pretty sure Disney would let them do it. It would bring in a lot of attention for the show, the character, and the movie. I’m sure it would be all over the internet and the news even. It would be a pretty big deal and I think a lot of people would be happy to see it 🙂
"I could have the giant duck as my steed!" --Daniel Radcliffe
Keeper Of Tamara's Taser , Jafar's Staff, Kitsis’s Glasses , Ariel’s Tail, Dopey's Hat , Peter Pan’s Shadow, Outfit, & Pied Cloak,Red Queen's Castle, White Rabbit's Power To World Hop, Zelena's BroomStick, & ALL MAGICSo why are American (for the most part) preferences dictating the show? Why haven’t we seen legends and stories that exist outside of Disney or even just western culture? I get that they are the most well known (from our biased perspective) but there *tons* of myths in other parts of the world that could easily be brought in because of the overall nature of the show.
And you can keep to Disney canon and still make it a same sex pairing. Like my idea of Mulan and Shang, where Shang is a nobleman’s daughter. Technically, still Disney canon but they’ve gone and done a classic ONCE twist. They’ve gender swapped before, Jack for instance.
American preferences “dictate” the show because Americans are the primary audience. If a show doesn’t keep its audience reasonably happy then it loses viewers, rating and could end up getting cancelled. It’s no good catering to an audience in a far off country when they might not even get to see it if it doesn’t do well enough in America.
Also I’m agreeing on keeping the Disney pairing but changing the gender so it is a same sex pairing. Everybody wins.
In fact Robin and Marian would’ve been the perfect pairing to make a same-sex relationship with as both Robin and Marian are both male and female names so you would’ve had the same character names, the same story with the only difference being a different gender.All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixKeeping a Disney pairing and just gender bendering one character is fine with me. I just feel all the Disney couples should be together and stay together. I’m sure Mulan will find her Shang whether or not Shang is male or female. I wouldn’t want Belle to be with anyone other than her “beast” and her beast just so happened to be Rumplestiltskin. Rapunzel on the other hand isn’t based on the Disney Rapuznel. She could be with anyone, but if she were the Disney Rapunzel then I would say she should be with Flynn.
They can take artistic license when it comes down to their intrepreations of the characters. But still they shouldn’t completely abandon where they came from. Some of us want to see our favorite characters and their stories come to life on OUAT. If they just stop caring about the Disney aspect all together, id lose a bit of interest. Bring in a same sex couple all they want, but at the expense of a Disney couple? I would not prefer that. There are plenty of characters and fairytales who have no one, they are open candidates. Or again, they could just gender swap a Disney couple.
I agree.
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Keeper of FelixBut if any show were to tell a story of two women who have only ever been with men, (and I feel like this far into the show, if either of them had been with women before, it would have at least been hinted at by now if it was an aspect of their personality they were planning to explore more at some point in future, as opposed to them being repeatedly portrayed as being with men), both realising at the same point in their lives that they were actually bi and wanted to be together, that’s a story that would demand a level of writing that I wouldn’t trust this particular show with.
The thing is that while proper depiction of queer romance is an *additional* problem the idea that having queer romance, even of this sort needs some sort of specialist treatement rather than ideally having it is kind of crappy. I’d rather see them try than not at all. Even if it’s imperfect, it’s a start. Just because it’s hard doesn’t mean they shouldn’t try at all.
There’s only one writer on staff that I’d be prepared to say could handle such a thing, but this show is, on the whole, a collaborative effort by many writers, so there’s no way that Jane could be given exclusive control over writing everything to do with that relationship.
Again I think that’s kinda the wrong perspective. We need queer characters to be a normal, regular thing and in the context of a show like OUAT we are going to have a lot of unusual relationships because fairytales(Little Mermaid, Beauty & the Beast etc.).
In the case of SwanQueen, it’s not going to happen ever. Ignoring the fact that not only are Regina and Emma related but Regina has tried to kill Emma’s family a lot, both women are heterosexual and have shown no inclination whatsoever for people of the same sex. If there was any plan to make either Regina or Emma homosexual or bi, there would’ve been some hint in the last 2.5 seasons to trigger the transition. To make either character suddenly homosexual would not only be poor writing but a plot device.
It happens in real life though, trust me. I know a friend and someone she knows going through the exact same thing right now. There HAS been plenty of tension between Emma & Regina in the last few eps – like their little moment where Emma told her she always knows when she’s lying – so it’d hardly be out of left field.
If they do plan to introduce a same-sex couple, then there should be more to them than just their sexuality.
I think the bigger problem is that the idea of some characters being in a relationship is “off limits”. Again if Emma had been a guy it’s quite possibly the route they would have gone and is the ultimate sign of redemption for Regina.
There are plenty of characters they could use to explore same-sex relationship in a natural development without forcing it upon the audience./quote]
I don’t like this language. From my perspective I’m “forced” to endure het romance after het romance in most things I follow despite representing something like 8% of the population.
One of the problems is that with the characters we’ve had introduced thus far there’s been *no* sign of homosexuality so they’re going to have to take someone and queer them unexpectedly, or bring in new characters who will feel like they’re brought in for the sake of that.
WolFairy is one potential ship I’d like to see but I don’t think Rose McIver is going to be around much.
Ariel died in the original! And since this is a same-sex paring thread, one of HCA’s reasons behind writing it was his own homosexual desires. Crystal knows more about it than I do. But all of that gets ignored by Disney and now people claim that ONCE should ignore it because “Disney canon” but Disney’s is a skewed interpretation of “original” sources.
Yep. It’s on his wiki article I think.
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Also technically Sirenetta didn’t die she turned into an air spirit because otherwise she wouldn’t have a soul.
In my version for my fairytale book she basically refuses the transformation and through force of will, takes control of the transformation spell and uses it to restore herself. And then becomes a magical girl because it’s awesome.
I don't cause commotions, I am one.
I don’t like this language. From my perspective I’m “forced” to endure het romance after het romance in most things I follow despite representing something like 8% of the population.
One of the problems is that with the characters we’ve had introduced thus far there’s been *no* sign of homosexuality so they’re going to have to take someone and queer them unexpectedly, or bring in new characters who will feel like they’re brought in for the sake of that.
By “forced”, I mean that the pairing is constantly there even when they have no need to be there or their relationship is developed way too fast. For example, I feel OutlawQueen is being forced a little bit because it has developed way too fast.
I think there are some characters who have been introduced thus far who could turn out to be homosexual or bi. Archie and Red because we’ve not really seen enough of them to say they’re definitely heterosexual. Henry would be an excellent choice to explore the homosexuality aspect as he’s at that age where his hormones are starting to kick up and he’s going to start having feelings towards people and they might not be girls which would be confusing for Henry.
WolFairy is one potential ship I’d like to see but I don’t think Rose McIver is going to be around much.
What’s WolFairy?
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