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Wishing Star and Reunions

Home › Forums › Once Upon a Time › Season Four › 4×09 “Fall” › Wishing Star and Reunions

  • This topic has 34 replies, 12 voices, and was last updated 10 years, 7 months ago by onceaholic.
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  • November 30, 2014 at 11:19 pm #291811
    MatthewPaul
    Moderator

    Concerning whether they always planned Blackbeard to stay dead or have him survive:

    @ItachiIshtar If you don't see a dead body on TV, never accept the death. Just like "if you don't see a face, it's a stunt double." #Once

    — Jane Espenson (@JaneEspenson) December 1, 2014

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    November 30, 2014 at 11:28 pm #291812
    RumplesGirl
    Keymaster

    There is retcon and there is LOGIC.

    Fine, maybe it’s not retcon because of no body. But there is LOGIC at play here, okay? Sharks, bleeding = feeding fenzy. It takes you out of the moment when the explanation is somehow a mermaid saved the bleeding man from shark infested waters at the last second. It’s eye roll worthy.

    So fine, maybe it’s not retconny cause “no body!” but that doesn’t mean it gets a pass on writing.

    "He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
    November 30, 2014 at 11:29 pm #291813
    MatthewPaul
    Moderator

    And there’s also the timeline issue of how did it get into Gerda’s stuff if they were on the mission to get it when they died. But I -think- that we’re going to find that was a thing that happened before their death somehow.

    Jane just answered this

    @dwsherlockfan They didn't get it during that voyage. They got it on a previous trip in which they met Black Beard.

    — Jane Espenson (@JaneEspenson) December 1, 2014

    November 30, 2014 at 11:38 pm #291815
    MatthewPaul
    Moderator

    There is retcon and there is LOGIC.

    Fine, maybe it’s not retcon because of no body. But there is LOGIC at play here, okay? Sharks, bleeding = feeding fenzy. It takes you out of the moment when the explanation is somehow a mermaid saved the bleeding man from shark infested waters at the last second. It’s eye roll worthy.

    So fine, maybe it’s not retconny cause “no body!” but that doesn’t mean it gets a pass on writing.

    Maybe you should take it up with Jane, since she’s still replying to people tonight. I’m actually curious what her response would be.

    November 30, 2014 at 11:47 pm #291818
    Keb
    Participant

    Bless Jane. *bows to the queen*

    Keeper of Belle's Gold magic, sand dollar, cloaks, purple FTL outfit, spell scroll, library key, copy of Romeo and Juliet, and cry-muffling pillow, Rumple's doll, overcoat, and strength, and The Timeline. My spreadsheet: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6r8CySCCWd9R0RUNm4xR3RhMEU/view?usp=sharing

    November 30, 2014 at 11:50 pm #291819
    RumplesGirl
    Keymaster

    Maybe you should take it up with Jane, since she’s still replying to people tonight. I’m actually curious what her response would be.

    Except what I’m saying is clearly a subjective interpretation of what I’m witnessing. It means that I get to look at it and say, “that makes no sense.” taking it up with the writer will do nothing because she clearly had a different interpretation. Also, I don’t use Twitter to criticize. I don’t like doing that and I don’t like when others do it. I think it doesn’t make a lick of sense that Ariel randomly saved the pirate from a shark feeding frenzy just in the nick of time! They left it “open” (emphasis on quotation marks) “just in case.” It’s a thing TV does, fine. But that doesn’t mean it gets a pass in the logic department and it doesn’t mean I don’t get to call what I see as a spade, a spade.

    "He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
    December 1, 2014 at 12:03 am #291820
    Keb
    Participant

    …de ja vu, RG.

    Keeper of Belle's Gold magic, sand dollar, cloaks, purple FTL outfit, spell scroll, library key, copy of Romeo and Juliet, and cry-muffling pillow, Rumple's doll, overcoat, and strength, and The Timeline. My spreadsheet: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6r8CySCCWd9R0RUNm4xR3RhMEU/view?usp=sharing

    December 1, 2014 at 12:11 am #291821
    RumplesGirl
    Keymaster

    …de ja vu, RG.

    I would comment if I had any idea whatsoever you are talking about.

    "He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
    December 1, 2014 at 12:21 am #291822
    MatthewPaul
    Moderator
    MatthewPaul wrote:

    Maybe you should take it up with Jane, since she’s still replying to people tonight. I’m actually curious what her response would be.

    Except what I’m saying is clearly a subjective interpretation of what I’m witnessing. It means that I get to look at it and say, “that makes no sense.” taking it up with the writer will do nothing because she clearly had a different interpretation. Also, I don’t use Twitter to criticize. I don’t like doing that and I don’t like when others do it. I think it doesn’t make a lick of sense that Ariel randomly saved the pirate from a shark feeding frenzy just in the nick of time! They left it “open” (emphasis on quotation marks) “just in case.” It’s a thing TV does, fine. But that doesn’t mean it gets a pass in the logic department and it doesn’t mean I don’t get to call what I see as a spade, a spade.

    Of course there’s the matter of different interpretations, because as you may recall other fans actually left open the possibility that Blackbeard may have survived back when “The Jolly Roger” aired. And it looks like the writers shared that same viewpoint. I wasn’t suggesting to outright criticize Jane directly, but more so simply ask an honest question. I still like to get the writer’s mindset and interpretations to get a clearer understanding, because that can help broaden each of our own interpretations. I for one might question one thing, but if I hear what the writer has to say for themselves, I at least take the time to think about and acknowledge it. Whether one agrees with what they have to say is another matter altogether, but I feel it’s better than never knowing what they have to say at all. My final judgement about this Blackbeard debate is that it comes down to your suspension of disbelief.

    December 1, 2014 at 12:59 am #291823
    Keb
    Participant

    RG: I don’t know if you said something similar about a past thing or if it was just weird deja vu–I just read your post and was like, didn’t I read this weeks ago? and then I realized I couldn’t have, because it was all about tonight’s episode.

    Dunno. Just weird case of deja vu.

    Keeper of Belle's Gold magic, sand dollar, cloaks, purple FTL outfit, spell scroll, library key, copy of Romeo and Juliet, and cry-muffling pillow, Rumple's doll, overcoat, and strength, and The Timeline. My spreadsheet: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6r8CySCCWd9R0RUNm4xR3RhMEU/view?usp=sharing

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