Your best crack theory –where is PP on the family tree?

[kfchimera]

Ok, by now we know PP is going to show up.  The real question is, where do you think he will fit in our “family wreath”.

We’ve got awhile to go until the next season and may as well entertain ourselves, so serious or silly, put your guess here.

1) He is Hook’s Dad.

“Search your feelings, you know it to be true”.  Of course, it would work better if Rumpel hadn’t already cut off  Hook’s  hand but….oh well.  He can cut off the hook I guess.

 

 

[Slurpeez]

Ok, He is Hook’s Dad.

:O That’d be so messed up, having a dad who appears to be younger than the son! (And I thought Emma had it bad being the same age as her parents). I could, however, see PP being Hook’s brother.

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

[Josephine]

Wow, it would be twisted to put him on the family tree.

*goes into deep meditation*

Hmmm….I’m going to go out on a limb and call it that Peter Pan is Rumplestiltskin’s brother!

*channels Robin Hood:  Prince of Thieves*

Robin Hood: Did I wrong you in another life, Will Scarlett? Where does this intolerable hatred for me come from?

Will Scarlett: From knowing that… that our father loved you more than me.

Robin Hood: Our father?

Will Scarlett: We are brothers, Robin of Locksley. I am the son of the woman who replaced your dead mother for a time.

 

Yes, yes.  Peter Pan is the bitter abandoned brother of Rumplestiltskin.  Rumple was raised by the spinsters but somehow Peter ended up by himself and wound up, like the origin story to Peter Pan, in Neverland.  Now he has a debt to settle!

 Edited:  Slurpeez, I see we posted around the same time and each came up with the brother theory, only to different people.  I wonder how much we’ll howl with laughter in a year’s time at our ponderings…or crowing, “See, I was right!”

 

Keeper of Rumplestiltskin's and Neal's spears and war paint and crystal ball.

[Phee]

It would be delightfully ironic if Rumple had a twin, and when they were born, his parents made a deal with some dark being that resulted in his brother being taken away. Just sayin’.

[kfchimera]

The brother idea seems the easiest, whether to Hook or Rumpel, since we think PP has been waiting for Henry for centuries.    Unless we go back to the whole “Rufio” idea of “THE PAN” as a tittle that gets passed around.  We seem to have dropped the idea now that people aren’t championing NealfirePan or Killipan.  It could still be the case though.  Especially now that we know the casting call marked Rufio was for PP.  If they are still going with “The Pan” idea, then the current PP could be of more recent birth.

I’ve seen people suggest Pan is related to Regina.  I think it is very unlikely she could have had a child with Daniel or Leo.  Cora on the other actually could have had another child, and given him away, or Milah and Hook even.   It would really open it up to connect him to the family tree if they do the PP= title not a single person approach.  That doesn’t mean of course that PP wants Henry to be the next one, since there’s still that “you get to live line”.  Henry might be wanted for a different reason.

I also forgot about the whole Belle to Tink connection idea.  They could be sisters/half-sisters/mother/daughter or something.  I like the “first laugh” idea, that Baby Belle created Tink.

“When the first baby laughed for the first time, its laugh broke into a thousand pieces, and they all went skipping about, and that was the beginning of fairies.” Barrie wrote in the original play.  That was changed by Disney a little for their Fairies franchise, so new fairies are born from new babies (like Tink).

So if Tink is connected to Belle, and is also in some kind of romantic relationship with Peter, that would connect them to our wreath.

 

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

[Slurpeez]

And then I was just thinking that Rufio or PP (or maybe they are the same person) could be the son of Robin and Marian. But I am a little confused with time of NL, FTL and world without magic. So I don’t know if Robin Hood is older or younger then PP.

RH is much younger than PP. However, PP doesn’t physically grow up so he appears younger. PP has been searching for Henry ever since Baelfire was 14, which was centuries ago. RH was a young man in the “Lacey” flashback, about 200 or so years after Rumple initially lost his son.

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

[RumplesGirl]

What if Rumple and PP are brothers?

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[Josephine]

When I first suggested that Peter Pan was Rumple’s brother I really took it as a joke.  I remember the first time I watched Robin Hood:  Prince of Thieves, one of my favorite movies and a guilty pleasure although Kevin Costner doesn’t even TRY to have an English accent, that I was utterly shocked that Will Scarlet was Robin’s brother.  When the movie came out I was a tween/young teen and really only familiar with the Disney animated and children’s storybook versions of the legend.  But I was flabbergasted.  Here is a young boy who really at first hated Robin Hood, although everyone else looked upon him as a hero.  He questioned his leadership and was very belligerent.  But then Will revealed that he was Robin’s brother and the animosity stemmed from being jealous that he wasn’t enough for their father.  He could never live up to the shadow of his brother.

Move on to OUAT.  The more I think about it, the more I’m beginning to believe the crack.  We don’t know anything about Rumple’s young life other than his father was a coward that ran away and was killed and that he was raised by spinsters.  He could very well have a brother out there.  In Barrie’s original, Peter Pan wants a mother, in essence…a family, very much even though he also doesn’t want to grow up.  That’s why he brings Wendy–to be a mother and tell them stories.  What does Rumple, and also Neal (and Henry and Emma, etc…) want in life?  To have a family.  The themes in this show are cyclical and paralleled.   So what originally became as a crackpot guess has me really wondering if Rumple and Peter are brothers.

Here is a blurb about Peter’s family from Wikipedia:

Peter does not know his parents. In Peter Pan in Kensington Gardens Barrie wrote that he left them as an infant, and seeing the window closed and a new baby in the house when he returned some time later, he assumed they no longer wanted him.

So Barrie did write that Peter had a sibling.  I’m going to have to dig up Barrie’s other stories about Peter and see what I can find.  But knowing Eddy and Adam, and that this is their favorite childhood story, I can see them incorporating little known aspects of Barrie’s PP world into the show and twisting it.

Ack…this is quickly becoming headcanon.  Please, someone try to stop it from happening!

Edited:  Okay, I found the excerpt to Peter Pan in Kensington Gardens (originally published as part of The Little White Bird)  by J. M. Barrie.  It’s a short story, not long at all, but I thought this might be worth taking a glance at.  The story is also the first we see of Peter Pan before his adventures in Neverland with Wendy.  He’s only a baby:

But, mind you, though Peter was so slow in going back to his mother, he was quite decided to go back. The best proof of this was his caution with the fairies. They were most anxious that he should remain in the Gardens to play to them, and to bring this to pass they tried to trick him into making such a remark as “I wish the grass was not so wet,” and some of them danced out of time in the hope that he might cry, “I do wish you would keep time!” Then they would have said that this was his second wish. But he smoked their design, and though on occasions he began, “I wish—” he always stopped in time. So when at last he said to them bravely, “I wish now to go back to mother for ever and always,” they had to tickle his shoulder and let him go.

He went in a hurry in the end because he had dreamt that his mother was crying, and he knew what was the great thing she cried for, and that a hug from her splendid Peter would quickly make her to smile. Oh, he felt sure of it, and so eager was he to be nestling in her arms that this time he flew straight to the window, which was always to be open for him.

But the window was closed, and there were iron bars on it, and peering inside he saw his mother sleeping peacefully with her arm round another little boy.

Peter called, “Mother! mother!” but she heard him not; in vain he beat his little limbs against the iron bars. He had to fly back, sobbing, to the Gardens, and he never saw his dear again. What a glorious boy he had meant to be to her. Ah, Peter, we who have made the great mistake, how differently we should all act at the second chance. But Solomon was right; there is no second chance, not for most of us. When we reach the window it is Lock-out Time. The iron bars are up for life.

Keeper of Rumplestiltskin's and Neal's spears and war paint and crystal ball.

[RumplesGirl]

The timing isn’t an issue if PP left for NL before Rumple married Milah and stayed there.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[kfchimera]

That story is so sad Jo! Poor little Peter, locked out and replaced.  Sibling Rivalry is one common family theme I don’t think the show has actually touched on yet, either.

We have had parent/child issues galore, but all our main “children” are singletons.  David HAD a twin but they killed him off fast.

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

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