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I tend to go with PP being Rumple’s brother. I mean who better to play the main villain than the Dark One’s sibling.
but he was a good man before being the dark one. a very good man. which is way I get very surprised that people consider Henry the son of both dark and light magic. Baelfire was the son of a really good man. it was only later – much later (fourteen years later) that he became a dark one.
[adrotate group="5"]Another issue I have with PP = Young Rumpel is I don’t think Rumpel had ever met Hook before that day at the bar then the boat. So then you have a situation where young-Rumpel-PP was in Nl, Hook was but not together until old-no-longer-known-as-PP is there. I guess it sort of works as PP is supposed to be Hook’s main rival so making Rumpel into PP somehow could make some sense.
I was actually thinking that the story of pp as we know it doesn’t happen until the present and the backstory is only of pp being IN neverland living among the Indians, the mermaids, and the fairies, but without hook at all or with a different pirate (hook’s father possibly) going in and out of neverland
…and here is another reason I think pp=rumple: he told his son in “the return” I think, that he needed power or magic to protect him. Bae said “I wouldn’t NEED protection if you weren’t the dark one” or something like that. maybe Rumpel meant protection from neverland? maybe the HIM in neverland threatened to take rumpel’s children if he ever dares to grow up?
but that’s finding parallels from the movie “Hook” again…
Ack…this is quickly becoming headcanon. Please, someone try to stop it from happening!
😆 This is totally what my brain did with the Belle/Tinker Bell crack theory. Welcome to my world. BWAHAHAHAAA. 😉
Seriously though, I do kinda like this Rumple’s brother theory. How trippy would it be if they meet, and PP is Rumple’s older brother, and it turns out that Peter had either run away or been taken away as a child, and when he came home, he saw his parents with BabyRumple, and then feeling all rejected and replaced, Peter went to live in NL.
I am thinking though that we may have seen as much Whale as we’re going to with that bit in GMSB at comic con. I wanted more on the science/magic story and definitely see ways for them to do it, but the actor has a recurring role on another show, and seems to be getting guest spots elsewhere. There are enough other story leads for them to chase then to spend loads of time on a more minor character like Whale. I just feel bad to see the character’s place in the story amount to such a golfclap of an end, after spending last summer wondering so hard who in the FTL he was.
David Anders always seems to be guest starring on some show or other. I do think they probably had more planned for him in S2, before they changed direction mid-season. We know they were planning more for Red too, and that that was gonna involve Frankenwolf, so it stands to reason that they had something more in mind for Victor’s development too. I’m keeping every available appendage crossed that they can line up the scheduling for both characters in S3. It really would be a waste if Victor’s not involved at all with any furthering of the science vs magic storyline if THO will be seen again, (which I assume they will be).
Well the guess is the role the young actor is playing would be flashbacks only, so whatever villain the Jr6 are facing is not a young boy but something else. Maybe Tink, maybe a CGI monster.
Wasn’t there a spoiler somewhere that mentioned Robbie Kay was shooting with the JR6 actors? Don’t recall if Rumple was specifically mentioned, but I’m sure all the rest were, and if they’re with PP in present day, PP and Rumple cannot be the same person.
but he was a good man before being the dark one. a very good man. which is way I get very surprised that people consider Henry the son of both dark and light magic.
I don’t get it when people imply that Henry is the product of light and dark magic in a biological sense. I get it in the sense that he was raised by the EQ though. He’s got light magic in his nature and dark magic in his nurture.
I was actually thinking that the story of pp as we know it doesn’t happen until the present and the backstory is only of pp being IN neverland living among the Indians, the mermaids, and the fairies, but without hook at all or with a different pirate (hook’s father possibly) going in and out of neverland
But we have seen Hook in NL during the time of PP. He handed Bae over to PP by giving him to the Lost Ones. At that time, Rumple was an adult in FTL, so he couldn’t also be a young (looking) PP in NL.
Rumple had fathered Bae, and lost him down the portal, and then Bae ended up in the custody of PP. Without some sort of cyclical time warping whatever going on, I don’t see how Rumple could be PP. Also, why would Rumple have dedicated centuries to perfecting the Curse, if he’d found Bae in NL?
If we have news of JR6 filming with Kay, then I think that ends the PP=young rumpel idea. Technically, when Bae was in NL no one ever really confirmed that PP was running the show. We had a lot of references to HE, then at the end Felix’s line that it may take time, but PP never fails. So really hard to think what else he could have meant than they were working for a PP who was off in the wings but maybe they were carrying out a mission started by PP before he left. It just seems odd though to think the “HE” they keep talking about is not PP.
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
Can’t find where I read it now. This is why I should never close browser tabs! Think it was from the day when fans were hanging out at the set, and there were chairs set up for Lana, Colin, etc, and someone who was there mentioned PP being there too. People who have been at those outdoor shoots already knew that Robbie was playing PP before the info got leaked, they weren’t saying his name, but they were saying they knew who it was, which means he’s been on set at the same time as the JR6 actors who have been around for the outdoor shoots.
ETA, that I found it. I believe this was the night of shooting where Robbie tweeted that he wasn’t done until 4am, (this person mentions Lana leaving the set at about 2:30am, while others were still working):
. It just seems odd though to think the “HE” they keep talking about is not PP.
My headcanon has always been that PP was the victim. I’ll tell you why:
1)felix tells Hook that the way HE punishes people is by rrriiipping their shadow from them. so if a shadowless body or a bodyless shadow is such a terrible, terrible thing, and if the shadow that came to Wendy’s window IS peter pan’s shadow, than PP is in terrible pain and HE did that to him.
2)There is no way a bunch of adults are afraid of a teen. I don’t care how creepy they make the teen – adults will not be afraid of him. believe me, I watched some creepy kid movies and the main reason they are so creepy is because the adults are not afraid of them and think they are innocent meanwhile they kill and do horrible things. if The Dark One said that HE is someone they all should fear, it CANNOT be a kid.
I have come to accept that PP is probably nor Rumpel, but the idea that he is the brother looks better and better…
PP is a complicated villain, A and E have said that many times. He has reasons for wanting Henry and they are very complicated. As talented RC is, and as great as he would be with another role, I don’ think PP = Rumple. Robbie Kay was shooting with some of the JR6, or so that post Phee brought up, seems to indicate. Rumple is already a whole slew of characters. I think PP will have some interesting connections but won’t outright be PP. If PP was going to be anyone it would have been Nealfire (oh Nealfire Pan days, I miss you)
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Ah yes Nealfire Pan, he even met Wendy. Hm, maybe she is related to Greg, or like we said to Tamara.
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
I had to bump this up, now we know where PP fits….Rumple’s dad!
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
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