Your True Love Is Power

[RumplesGirl]

You do make sense, RG, but because Belle never spoke to anyone, all she knows is what she felt, found, and saw: Rumple casting some huge spell by crushing Hook’s heart, in possession of a dagger he told her SHE had. She doesn’t know that he tried to hat Emma (only Hook knows this) or hatted the fairies or conspired with the Snow Queen or wished the whole town dead so that he could get away with her and Henry as a “hero.”

Ok, but doesn’t explain why Rumple doesn’t go “oh, and yeah, my son died” to Regina in the car when he is listening “reasons for evolution.” I mean, trying to cleave (twitch) himself from the dagger is okay story IF you add in the fact that he’s a parent who lost a child. They haven’t explored the emotional ramifications of that for either Rumple OR Henry. (insert really long rant about Henry not expressing anything at all over his father’s demise and how absolutely insulting it is to everyone who’s lost a beloved parent a young age…)

 

[RumplesGirl]

I feel Rumple blames the curse of the dagger for Neal’s death. If it weren’t for the dagger’s curse, Zelena wouldn’t have been able to trick Neal into resurrecting Rumple to control Rumple with the dagger in the first place. He doesn’t want his powers used against him and the people that he cares about ever again.

And I think that’s a perfectly fine headcanon…but in universe it would be nice if the writers had Rumple SAYING some of this stuff. That’s a huge issue. I shouldn’t have to come up with elaborate psychological headcanons about “why is X doing y?!”

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[PriceofMagic]

I agree RG. Rumples overall plan to separate himself from the dagger isn’t evil in itself. It’s the methods he was using that weren’t above board. They really needed to show Rumple’s motivation in show for why he was doing what he did. It actually makes him more sympathetic when you know WHY he was trying to separate himself from the dagger NOW. Unfortunately a lot of Rumple’s kinder human moments got cut so Rumple came across quite power mad this season.

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[Keb]

Yeah, we barely saw his affection for Belle and got nothing at all about why he’d care for Henry (beyond the obvious–he’s his grandson), for the entire arc. We were presented with Horrible Man who LIES to the nicest most adorable wife ever and kills nuns who want to save an entire town and LOVES the fact that he gets to crush a heart to get Ultimate Power. We weren’t shown any hint of the coward (the label wasn’t even brought up until the finale this season) trembling inside, and most of the bits that showed how he doted on Belle were cut (as was anything with Belle in it, as far as I can tell).

For a fan as invested in Rumple as I am, the fear we’ve known about for three seasons is still there, and you can see it in some of Bobby’s work, but it was never played up, not even in Family Business where there was an open opportunity for him to express it in some way. Even I was convinced that there had to be some reason he needed to leave Storybrooke besides simply covering his trail so Belle wouldn’t find out and be mad at him for what he had to do to keep his power. If there had been a HINT that he feared that, it would have made sense sooner, and felt far more IC.

And connecting his experiences with Nealfire to his experiences with Belle (which are quite parallel in a lot of ways) would indeed have been the sensible thing to do. For someone like me who is desperate to understand him, who rewatches and rewatches the episodes taking meticulous notes, while following the creators’ commentary etc, it’s not so hard to put most of the pieces together and say okay, yeah, that works…but for an average viewer just watching it as a show? We last saw Rumple do anything actually kind or even acknowledge what his son would have wanted three months ago. Who actually remembers little things from three months ago if they’re not obsessive about them?

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[Keb]

A thought: Just as Rumple had to distance himself from Belle (we did see a bit of that–and zero kisses after the honeymoon–in how they interacted in their rare scenes over the course of the season) to let himself be evil enough to seize his power, he also had to distance himself from his son–easier with his son dead. Not let go entirely, but push away thoughts of what Bae would think if he knew. So maybe he can’t even bring himself to speak that part aloud in the moments before he goes through with it.

IF that’s what they were doing, IF they bring the concept back someday, then I’ll fully accept this headcanon. Otherwise…I dunno.

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[Jenna_B]

I think I like that headcannon, Keb IF – as you and others point out, they actually stress Rumple’s motivation was sparked by Neal’s death.  I hate hate HATE the idea that the writers are going to just push Neal under the rug…you can’t have so many characters’ lives intertwine with Neal and then play Neal Who?  But I’m veering off course.  I suspect (fear) if we get any more information regarding Rumple’s motivation they’ll make it more about how Zelena enslaved him.  Argh.

 

I don’t know if I agree that the Dark One’s attempt to separate himself from the dagger isn’t an evil act, just in itself.  We’re talking about people knowing they’re choosing evil wjen they choose to become the Dark One…so an attempt to separate yourself from the one thing that might save you from complete evil if in the right hands and getting complete free will….you’re probably not doing it to make everyone’s dreams come true and establish world peace.  Most likely your palns are more sinister than ever now that you have literally nothing controlling you.

 

 

 

 

[RumplesGirl]

I hate hate HATE the idea that the writers are going to just push Neal under the rug…you can’t have so many characters’ lives intertwine with Neal and then play Neal Who?

Of course they are going to do that. It’s what they’ve been doing since 315 with a very small stop in 316, 319, 322.

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