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Captain Hook (Colin O’Donoghue) remains heartless — literally — as “Once Upon a Time” enters its Season 4 fall finale, “Heroes and Villains.” Rumpelstiltskin (Robert Carlyle) is still in control of Emma Swan’s boyfriend as he tries to free himself from the Dark One’s dagger, which doesn’t bode well for the great Captain.
But unlike previous situations where characters’ hearts have been stolen, Hook actually feels bad about the terrible things he is doing. This seems to go against the previously established rules of “Once Upon a Time,” but O’Donoghue says the divergence does make sense in the show’s world.“Helga [Ungurait], who is one of the producers on the show, sort of maps out what you can and what you can’t do when you lose your heart,” O’Donoghue explains to Zap2it over coffee in Vancouver, where “Once” films. “The way that we see it is Rumpel also wants to torture Hook, Rumpel wants Hook to feel for Emma. That’s the way we rationalized it, because in the past when other people have had their hearts stolen they’ve been told to do something and then they go do it.”The Dec. 14 episode of “Once Upon a Time” will feature the introductions of three villains known as the Queens of Darkness: Maleficent (Kristin Bauer van Straten), Ursula (Merrin Dugney) and Cruella de Vil (Victoria Smurfit). The new arc will continue the discussion of whether villains can get happy endings, which was a huge part of both Regina (Lana Parilla) and Rumpelstiltskin’s stories in the first half of Season 4.When Hook was first introduced in Season 2 he was technically a villain, but as the show has progressed he has become more of a hero. Fans certainly seem to hope that Emma (Jennifer Morrison) and Hook can live happily ever after (their ‘ship name is “Captain Swan,” after all). But O’Donoghue isn’t sure which category his character falls in, which could be problematic for the pair if only heroes are rewarded by the mysterious Author and villains end up unhappy.“It’s kind of a gray area. Probably the second season you would have definitely said he’s a villain. I mean, he’s a pirate,” he explains. “Hook has at times tried to do the right thing, at other times he’s done really the wrong thing, or done the wrong thing because he felt in some way [it was right] — or he had no choice. And sometimes, in older Hook, his heart was just so dark from just a constant quest for revenge. When some people just go so deep into things, it’s kind of a gray area for them. Definitely now he’s trying to be a good person.”O’Donoghue says Hook’s current goal is just to “do right by Emma” — even with his heart in Rumpel’s possession. “He loves her, and he’s willing to do whatever to prove to her that he’s worthy of her,” the actor says. “Hook has always been guided by a misguided sense of what’s right because all the nasty things he did in the past were to get revenge for the death of somebody he loved. He was blinded by that. That’s not excusing a lot of the things he did. Once he decided that he’s doing something, that’s it, he’s in, 100 percent.”“Once Upon a Time’s” Season 4 fall finale airs Sunday, Dec. 14 at 8 p.m. ET/PT on ABC.[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Adds an extra note of cruelty to how Rumple is treating Hook if he has that ability…on the other hand, he has zero reason to treat Hook kindly (unless it were to prove he’s the better man, which he doesn’t care about right now) and DID still reassure him that Emma and Storybrooke would be safe if they didn’t get in his way. I think that’s the human bit left in him.
Keeper of Belle's Gold magic, sand dollar, cloaks, purple FTL outfit, spell scroll, library key, copy of Romeo and Juliet, and cry-muffling pillow, Rumple's doll, overcoat, and strength, and The Timeline. My spreadsheet: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6r8CySCCWd9R0RUNm4xR3RhMEU/view?usp=sharing
Well they still had Regina feel things “deeply” without her heart (So much so, it seemed like she would be better off without her heart permanently) so I’m not chalking it up to it being completely Rumple’s doing in regards to Hook. The writers need angst for CS somehow so Rumple is providing that for them.
Also whilst Rumple has possession of Hook’s heart, we’ve never actually seen him puppet Hook with it like Cora did to Aurora in season 2 or what Regina did to Graham in Welcome to Storybrooke. It’s more a “I’ve got your heart so you have to do what I say”/”You’ve got my heart so I can’t refuse your commands” rather than “I’m using your heart to make you do what I want and you aren’t aware of it until after the fact” as was the case with Aurora and Graham.
Thing is though, with Rumple not actively holding the heart when giving his orders and having made it quite clear that he intends to crush Hook’s heart anyway, why is Hook not trying to make it as difficult as possible for Rumple? Even when Regina had Graham’s heart in EF, he still helped Charming to escape. It seems Rumple can’t crush Hook’s heart until a certain time anyway so why is Hook not trying to screw up Rumple’s plan in anyway he knows how even if it involves trying to goad Rumple into crushing his heart early or making a suspicious comment such as “Do you what could be at the HEART of these disappearances? It’s a bit like a rabbit vanishing inside a MAGIC HAT”.
If Rumple really wanted to be cruel to Hook then why doesn’t he set Hook against Emma and make him suck her into the magic hat? Considering Rumple really doesn’t like Hook, his treatment of Hook has been fairly mild so far.
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Keeper of FelixThis seems to go against the previously established rules of “Once Upon a Time,” but O’Donoghue says the divergence does make sense in the show’s world.
“Helga [Ungurait], who is one of the producers on the show, sort of maps out what you can and what you can’t do when you lose your heart,” O’Donoghue explains to Zap2it over coffee in Vancouver, where “Once” films. “The way that we see it is Rumpel also wants to torture Hook, Rumpel wants Hook to feel for Emma. That’s the way we rationalized it, because in the past when other people have had their hearts stolen they’ve been told to do something and then they go do it.”Fanwanking is meant to be a thing that fans do to make up for and “rationalise” slip-ups the writers make. When it’s the people who actually make the show that are coming up with what sounds like fanwank, that’s disheartening, (no pun intended). If they honestly thought it out from the beginning that Rumple was rigging it so Hook would still feel for Emma as a means to punish him more, then bloody well write a line in the show to explain it. It would only take one line. This just smacks of them trying to “rationalise” it all after the fact because the writers did a thing whether it really made sense or not.
Originally I thought it was interresting that Henry was the sorerer’s apprentice. But now I feel like Hook is the apprentice.
If, when the stars align with the hat, we have the hat, the dagger, the heart, a sorcerer and Hook, it would be cool if Hook was transformed into either a sorcerer or the new dark one.
I think that while Rumple is getting sadistic pleasure from torturing Hook, he’s also got no real interest in hurting Emma or anyone else (besides the fairies & the apprentice, whom he already hated) unless it furthers his plans (or keeps them from interfering with them). He only tried to put Emma in the hat because she pretty much begged him to and he couldn’t pass up the opportunity. And, like I said, he’s shown a teensy bit of compassion to his puppet a couple of times–giving him the freedom to go off and kiss Emma goodbye before the spell of shattered sight set in, and reassuring him that Emma & Storybrooke would be relatively safe from All Powerful Rumple. He has no reason at all to be even that generous to Hook, as he pointed out, but the human bit of him (and the bit that remembers how Zelena treated him) gives Hook that tiny bit of compassion.
I don’t think that’s why he doesn’t make Hook hat Emma; I think that’s for the twin reasons that he doesn’t really want to hurt Emma and that allowing the Snow Queen’s plan to go through (for which she wanted Emma) gave him cover to go through with his plan and come out smelling like roses to the people he cares about. So that’s out of consideration for Emma/his idea of protecting Belle & Henry (which involves their believing the best about him).
Keeper of Belle's Gold magic, sand dollar, cloaks, purple FTL outfit, spell scroll, library key, copy of Romeo and Juliet, and cry-muffling pillow, Rumple's doll, overcoat, and strength, and The Timeline. My spreadsheet: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6r8CySCCWd9R0RUNm4xR3RhMEU/view?usp=sharing
“Helga [Ungurait], who is one of the producers on the show, sort of maps out what you can and what you can’t do when you lose your heart,” O’Donoghue explains to Zap2it over coffee in Vancouver, where “Once” films. “The way that we see it is Rumpel also wants to torture Hook, Rumpel wants Hook to feel for Emma. That’s the way we rationalized it, because in the past when other people have had their hearts stolen they’ve been told to do something and then they go do it.”
Poor Colin and all the rest of the cast. They all seem to be grasping at straws what with the obvious writing discontinuity. He and the crew have to come up with explanations of their own, because there is an obvious breakage of heart-snatching rules. Colin is a smart man, so he’s probably left scratching his own head as he and Helga are forced to come up with their own head canon that Rumple somehow magically tinkered with spells (despite the fact it wasn’t indicated in the dialogue, or by the sounds of it, script footnotes). Notice how Colin had to use the word “rationalize” to try and make sense of a nonsensical script? It was never explained why Hook or Regina were able to feel something without a heart. Neither Graham, nor Cora, nor Will Scarlet (in WL) were able to feel anything without their hearts, and then suddenly with Regina in S3 and now Hook is s4, they’re supposed to be able to feel something regardless? That’s just a glaring discontinuity, and Colin seems well aware of it.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
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