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In Wheel of Time, to “Baelfire” something is to chronologically erase their existence, in reverse, depending on the strength of the Baelfire. Seeing that this is what Zelena wants to do to Regina, make it where she has never been born, I find the whole timing of Baelfire’s “death” very interesting and like I have said in another thread, I do not believe Baelfire is gone. There is actually a term now called “Baelfired”. Here is a loose example, “The Blue Fairy baelfired August Booth.” How this plays out in OUaT will be interesting to watch but I am more and more convinced that Baelfire will not stay “dead”.
Here is an interesting thread on the “Baelfire Controversy” WOT from back in 2006. Considering what we learned last night about Zelena wanting to turn back time for a second chance so that Regina was never born…in Wheel of Time terminology, she wants to cast a… “Baelfire”.
http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/4257-baelfire-controversy/
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Interesting connections between the Wheel of Time and the term baelfire. It would be interesting to see if the creators of Once had this in mind when they created the character of Baelfire. I didn’t watch Lost, but I read there was an actual wheel in that show, which was a driving force in the plot.
If Zelena were successful in changing history so that Regina were never born, it would have mixed consequences for all of the characters. It would mean that Emma grew up in the Enchanted Forest and never went to A Land Without Magic. On the one hand, that would be good for Emma, because she would’ve had her parents. On the other hand, it would also mean that Emma never met Neal and that she therefore never had Henry, which would be utterly tragic. It would be equally tragic for Regina, who would cease to even have existed. It would stink for Neal, because he’d never have met Emma or known his son.
Would Neal even exist in such an alternate universe? I’m not so sure. If the writers do go down this road, then I think Baelfire would exist, but not Neal, his created persona. The question then, for me, would be if Baelfire remained a kid in Neverland. Maybe Dylan Schmid would join the cast then or at least be a recurring guest star. Maybe Neal would exist, but separately in A Land Without Magic, except he’d never have met Emma. I’m not so sure how I’d feel about such a turn of events. As much as I enjoyed the character of Neal, that would feel quite contrived to me.
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VERY interesting find, thanks for the info. Was reading some of the forum posts in that link and some gave me headaches…
You see, the person when balefiring himself ceases to exist before he even decides to balefire himself.
Therefore, he simply ceases to exist at some random time. If he had not ceased to exist, he would have decided to balefire himself. But he can’t decide to balefire himself unless he ceases to exist before it happens.
Some made more sense…
Take a string and hold a small flame up to one end of it. A piece of it gets burned off right? Well that’s balefire. It’s like putting a flame to the thread of a person’s life.
Now get a bigger flame and put it to one end of the string. More gets burned off, right? That’s the way it works. The stronger the weave for balefire, the farther back the person will be burned out of the pattern. It would take a very very very strong weave to burn someone entirely out of the pattern.
Then I got to posts where people started talking about the Dark One, so I googled to see and yes the Wheel Of Time has a Dark One as well as a thing called Baelfire, and that’s about the point where I decided this can’t be coincidence.
I didn’t watch “Lost” but I read there was an actual wheel in that show, which was a driving force in the plot.
i had vaguely heard earlier that the name Baelfire was taken from Wheel of Time but now I have conclusive proof lol. This means therefore that Wheel of Time because it has baelfire and a dark one now has to be my summer reading.
Magic always comes with a price, so I pay with visa.
All events that could have been said to have “happened” before the destruction of an individual’s thread are remembered by any other individual, though the physical reality of the situation is now changed; anyone that was witness or party to the “reversal” of time will still remember all the events that were undone as if they had actually happened even if the effects themselves no longer exist.
Balefire can even bring people back from the dead, or rather, prevent them from dying in the first place; Aviendha, Asmodean and Matrim Cauthon were brought back to life when Rahvin was hit by balefire with enough force to undo the attack that caused their deaths. In another instance, Mat was saved when the Darkhounds that attacked him were burned away to the point before injuring him.
The Dark One is unable to resurrect any person who is killed by balefire, mentioning himself that he is not capable of “stepping outside of Time.” As balefire technically causes a person to die in the past, it is assumed that the Dark One can only resurrect someone within a certain time-span, with balefire exceeding that limit. Another possibility is that due to the nature of the wheel, when a person dies, their thread does not end, but is simply set aside until it is used again/reincarnated as another person. Balefire burns the thread meaning that the thread can no longer be used in the Pattern’s weave.
Baelfire on the Wheel Of time wiki.
All of this is VERY interesting.
Apparently, the first episode of LOST where the Wheel of Time was shown was “There’s No Place Like Home pt 2”
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also saw this in the thread that was posted:
Now. Balefire is different because balefire acts upon time. Even the Dark One who lives outside of the Pattern is still susceptible to the power of balefire because he cannot pull someone from death and put them in a new body if they were killed using balefire.
this is just. nuts.
On another note, perhaps they defeat Zelena by successfully balefiring her without it effecting all of their timelines..
Keeper Nealfire's/Bae's scarf, Henry and Neal's bribery ice cream sundae, Baelfire's sword, the coconut map, and more.
All of this is VERY interesting.
Apparently, the first episode of LOST where the Wheel of Time was shown was “There’s No Place Like Home pt 2″O__________________________O
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Neal Cassady: [to Emma] You know, there’s not a ton about my father that I remember that doesn’t suck. But he used to tell me that there are no coincidences. Everything that happens, happens by design, and there’s nothing we can do about it; forces greater than us conspire to make it happen. Fate, destiny, whatever you wanna call it, the point is… maybe we met for a reason. Maybe something good came from us being together.
A&E….how you like to torment me!
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
VERY interesting find, thanks for the info. Was reading some of the forum posts in that link and some gave me headaches…
You see, the person when balefiring himself ceases to exist before he even decides to balefire himself.
Therefore, he simply ceases to exist at some random time. If he had not ceased to exist, he would have decided to balefire himself. But he can’t decide to balefire himself unless he ceases to exist before it happens.
Some made more sense…
Take a string and hold a small flame up to one end of it. A piece of it gets burned off right? Well that’s balefire. It’s like putting a flame to the thread of a person’s life.
Now get a bigger flame and put it to one end of the string. More gets burned off, right? That’s the way it works. The stronger the weave for balefire, the farther back the person will be burned out of the pattern. It would take a very very very strong weave to burn someone entirely out of the pattern.
Then I got to posts where people started talking about the Dark One, so I googled to see and yes the Wheel Of Time has a Dark One as well as a thing called Baelfire, and that’s about the point where I decided this can’t be coincidence.
I didn’t watch “Lost” but I read there was an actual wheel in that show, which was a driving force in the plot.
I know what you mean about reading the thread as it made my eyes cross. I wonder if Zelena will cast her “Baelfire” “Second Chance” thingy and then somehow Baelfire will be able to reverse it by Baelfiring Zelena. It should be interesting. If we get more young Cora and young Eva it should be entertaining. I can’t help but remember Cora’s parting words to Eva as Eva was laying there “dead”…”I will destroy your legacy.”
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